drunk driver sentenced for killing cyclist

Well we really don't know how to effectively deal with this problem. Did he
do a terrible thing? Without question. Does it best server society to
incarcerate DWI's? That is open for debate. What do you do with people who
won't manage their vices when those vices have the ability to serious hurt
of kill others? It's not an easy question but it is a question that deserves
much more attention than it gets.

Jeff
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Is this justice?

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/09/28/BAGVO903NQ1.DTL

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Is this justice?

Of course not, but, hopefully, another inmate will administer some 'justice' on
the inside.

Essentially, society seemingly considers bike riders as expendable items, and
treat their deaths or horrendous injuries as little more than plowing into a
mail box or a bunch of greenery...harmless fun and a bit of a joke.

Wow...crunched a biker...cut for commercial.

Motion pictures, TV, and of course the 'criminal' justice system, only
reinforce this.

James S. Prine
http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/

James S. Prine said:

>Is this justice?

Of course not, but, hopefully, another inmate will administer some 'justice' on
the inside.

Essentially, society seemingly considers bike riders as expendable items, and
treat their deaths or horrendous injuries as little more than plowing into a
mail box or a bunch of greenery...harmless fun and a bit of a joke.

Wow...crunched a biker...cut for commercial.

Motion pictures, TV, and of course the 'criminal' justice system, only
reinforce this.

James S. Prine
http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/

How exactly do we figure this? He was sentenced to the maximum sentence allowed by law for the offense to which the driver pled guilty? How does this equate to some type of discrimination against "expendable bike riders"?

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:06:20 -0700, Steve Fox <[email hidden]> wrote
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Is this justice?
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/09/28/BAGVO903NQ1.DTL

Yes. Especially when you consider that many people who kill cyclists
while driving are allowed to drive home from court.

Guy
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Homicide with aggravating circumstances frequently earns 'life' or 'death'.

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James S. Prine said:

Quoted message said:

Is this justice?

Of course not, but, hopefully, another inmate will administer some
'justice' on
the inside.

Essentially, society seemingly considers bike riders as expendable
items, and
treat their deaths or horrendous injuries as little more than plowing
into a
mail box or a bunch of greenery...harmless fun and a bit of a joke.

Wow...crunched a biker...cut for commercial.

Motion pictures, TV, and of course the 'criminal' justice system, only
reinforce this.

James S. Prine
http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/

How exactly do we figure this? He was sentenced to the maximum sentence
allowed by law for the offense to which the driver pled guilty? How does
this equate to some type of discrimination against "expendable bike
riders"?

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Brunswick_kate

Doug Huffman said:

Homicide with aggravating circumstances frequently earns 'life' or 'death'.

Different jurisdictions, I can't possibly comment. I guess was I was confused by the statement in the article that stated that the convicted party received the MAXIMUM penalty for the offense. I would have thought MAXIMUM meant exactly that.

At least he can't kill anyone else while he's in prison, unless of course
it's another prisoner

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Well we really don't know how to effectively deal with this problem. Did

he

Quoted message said:

do a terrible thing? Without question. Does it best server society to
incarcerate DWI's? That is open for debate. What do you do with people who
won't manage their vices when those vices have the ability to serious hurt
of kill others? It's not an easy question but it is a question that

deserves

Quoted message said:

much more attention than it gets.

Jeff

Subject: drunk driver sentenced for killing cyclist
From: Steve Fox [email hidden]
Date: 9/28/2004 11:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time
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Is this justice?

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/09/28/BAGVO903NQ1.DTL

--
Steve Fox
McKinleyville, CA

Mike Said:
Hmmmm. Robert L. Bass killed a innicent Missouri woman also... Fell asleep at
the wheel

RLB And The Missouri **DEAD** Woman

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Group Moderator said:

You denying that you MURDERED an innocent young woman in
Missouri by falling asleep at the wheel of a motor vehicle while on

drugs.

Quoted message said:

You made up that lie and repeated it so many times I suspect you are
actually beginning to believe it. Needless to say, since you've been

caught

Quoted message said:

lying hundreds of times and been exposed for it here, I seriously doubt

that

Quoted message said:

any thinking person gives credence to your rants.

So....just to get this straight Bass...you are now saying that if anyone
claims that you killed a young girl in Missouri that they would be lying???

Your own words from the past actually admit that you did kill a young
girl...and I quote.....

"FTR, some have made snide remarks knowing I was once involved in a fatal
accident. The idea is to embarrass or defame me for a terrible incident
which happened many years ago. I take such comments in stride, considering
the low-minded sort of human trash who would do such things. I'll never get
over the sorrow for that horrible day. Nothing some fool can say about it
here will add to that sorrow, any more than sorrow can ever restore a life
snuffed out. That's my pain and it's something I alone must deal with. I
understand what it means to know that a life has been taken because of a
dumb mistake. I know the feeling of talking to a young man whose loved one
is gone forever. There's nothing I can do to undo that moment."

And

" I know what it feels like to stand at a graveside because of a stupid
mistake."

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Re: Trigger locks /was biometrics/ (long post)

Same thread...posted by Bass....

"I was involved in a fatal accident but I was not intoxicated. In fact, I
rarely drink any alcohol at all. I fell asleep after driving too many hours
from Denver through to the middle of Missouri. No charges were filed."

So....based on your own words above Bass...which part of the following is
untrue????

"MURDERED an innocent young woman in Missouri by falling asleep at the wheel
of a motor vehicle while on drugs."

Mike Simpson

Quoted message said:

How exactly do we figure this? He was sentenced to the maximum sentence
allowed by law for the offense to which the driver pled guilty? How does
this equate to some type of discrimination against "expendable bike
riders"?

I'm based in New Orleans. For years, we've had to deal with drunk drivers
maiming and killing people, and often getting slapped on the wrist as
'justice'...for a truly interesting example of 'justice' and how it is applied,
please visit the following website dealing with the notorious "Chappaquiddick
on Bayou St. John" (http://wbhjr.home.gs.net/shelly4_web.htm); I had a
colleague who was killed by a drunk driver (the killer got the proverbial slap
on the wrist), and I myself had my lower spine wrecked by a man who tried to
kill me with his Ford Explorer...this, while I was committing the crime of
being a uniformed Police Officer on patrol (and he had tried to run down a
female pedestrian not even two weeks before); I put him in jail but, at trial,
the Judge found him innocent because he 'didn't particularly like Policemen
anyway'...and of course the man who tried to kill me is now suing me for 'False
Arrest'...a case which has been going on for over two years now.

I could literally write a book on the subject.

Justice?

Justice has become a commodity, IMHO.

James S. Prine
http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/

Sorry about that URL, it is now corrected to:

http://wbhjr.home.gs.net/shelly4_web.html

Thank you.

BTW, we had a cyclist killed just two days ago by a 'cellphone' driver...the
cyclist was literally smashed to pieces as a result.

A few months ago, another cyclist was hit and killed by a drunk driver...the
woman fled the scene but was so drunk she smashed into an obstruction not too
far from where she killed the cyclist and was captured there. She was out on
bond for DRIVING WHILE INTOXICATED.

James S. Prine
http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/

The sad fact is that unfit drivers populate the road. People with suspended
and revoked DLs leave the court house and drive away. People with no
insurance in insurance mandatory states drive while uninsured. I don'tthink
harsh jail time as the rule will do much to deter it either. It will take
some kind of bioelectronic smart card/license/ignition lock that absolutly
locks out chemically impaired and unlicensed drivers.

Quoted message said:

How exactly do we figure this? He was sentenced to the maximum sentence
allowed by law for the offense to which the driver pled guilty? How does
this equate to some type of discrimination against "expendable bike
riders"?

Good question. The driver was sentenced to the maximum ONLY for a
death resulting from DUI . However, there are many other crimes that
he could have been charged with in addition, and probably convicted
on. For example, the grevious bodily harm caused to the woman. So, if
they "threw the book at him", and then sentenced him to the maximum
for each conviction, and made him serve the sentences consecutively,
he would most certainly die in prison.
BTW, in South Carolina causing a death while DUI can get you a maximum
sentence of 25 years. So don't y'all drink and drive in SC, ya hear?

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Good question. The driver was sentenced to the maximum ONLY for a
death resulting from DUI .

Update on the story regarding the cyclist killed last Sunday in New Orleans.
The hit-and-run driver...19 years old, has been charged with Hit-and-Run,
Manslaughter, and Criminal Mischief.

The driver's family has been on the television, loudly proclaiming that their
son is a victim too, etc.

The cyclist's family has declined television interviews. The cyclist was 26
years old.

James S. Prine
http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/

Quoted message said:

Good question. The driver was sentenced
to the maximum ONLY for a death resulting
from DUI . However, there are many other
crimes that he could have been charged
with in addition, and probably convicted on.
For example, the grevious bodily harm caused to the woman.

He was guilty a single criminal act which resulted in the woman's death.
The US legal system doesn't allow him to be convicted of lesser, included
offenses and sentenced to cumulative terms. It's not the same as a kinap,
rape and murder where there are a series of crimes.

Quoted message said:

BTW, in South Carolina causing a death
while DUI can get you a maximum sentence
of 25 years. So don't y'all drink and drive in
SC, ya hear?

Even with tough DUI laws in place it is often difficult to get judges to
impose the maximum sentence. This isn't IMO an anti-cyclist issue so much
as it is a failure on the part of the courts to recognize what a menace
drunk drivers are.

Subject: Re: drunk driver sentenced for killing cyclist
From: "Robert L. Bass" [email hidden]
Date: 9/29/2004 2:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Good question. The driver was sentenced
to the maximum ONLY for a death resulting
from DUI . However, there are many other
crimes that he could have been charged
with in addition, and probably convicted on.
For example, the grevious bodily harm caused to the woman.

He was guilty a single criminal act which resulted in the woman's death.
The US legal system doesn't allow him to be convicted of lesser, included
offenses and sentenced to cumulative terms. It's not the same as a kinap,
rape and murder where there are a series of crimes.

Mike Said:
What was you guility of when you fell asleep behind the wheel and killed an
innocent Missouri woman?
Here is the [censored] you wrote:

RLB And The Missouri **DEAD** Woman

Robert L. Bass" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Group Moderator said:

You denying that you MURDERED an innocent young woman in
Missouri by falling asleep at the wheel of a motor vehicle while on

drugs.

Quoted message said:

You made up that lie and repeated it so many times I suspect you are
actually beginning to believe it. Needless to say, since you've been

caught

Quoted message said:

lying hundreds of times and been exposed for it here, I seriously doubt

that

Quoted message said:

any thinking person gives credence to your rants.

So....just to get this straight Bass...you are now saying that if anyone
claims that you killed a young girl in Missouri that they would be lying???

Your own words from the past actually admit that you did kill a young
girl...and I quote.....

"FTR, some have made snide remarks knowing I was once involved in a fatal
accident. The idea is to embarrass or defame me for a terrible incident
which happened many years ago. I take such comments in stride, considering
the low-minded sort of human trash who would do such things. I'll never get
over the sorrow for that horrible day. Nothing some fool can say about it
here will add to that sorrow, any more than sorrow can ever restore a life
snuffed out. That's my pain and it's something I alone must deal with. I
understand what it means to know that a life has been taken because of a
dumb mistake. I know the feeling of talking to a young man whose loved one
is gone forever. There's nothing I can do to undo that moment."

And

" I know what it feels like to stand at a graveside because of a stupid
mistake."

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Re: Trigger locks /was biometrics/ (long post)

Same thread...posted by Bass....

"I was involved in a fatal accident but I was not intoxicated. In fact, I
rarely drink any alcohol at all. I fell asleep after driving too many hours
from Denver through to the middle of Missouri. No charges were filed."

So....based on your own words above Bass...which part of the following is
untrue????

"MURDERED an innocent young woman in Missouri by falling asleep at the wheel
of a motor vehicle while on drugs."

Mike Simpson

Steve Fox said:

Is this justice?

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/09/28/BAGVO903NQ1.DTL

Probably. If he'd done it here, he'd probably have been fined a couple of
hundred quid but retained his licence because not being allowed to drive
would stop him from taking little Jocasta to Pony Club.

Or something.

Gun, petrol, matches.

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Fat-Ass "Robert L. Bass" <[email hidden]> Proclaimed on Wed,
29 Sep 2004 02:06:35 -0400,

Quoted message said:

He was guilty a single criminal act which resulted in the woman's death.
The US legal system doesn't allow him to be convicted of lesser, included
offenses and sentenced to cumulative terms. It's not the same as a kinap,
rape and murder where there are a series of crimes.

Hey fat-ass, didn't you kill a woman due to pure NEGLIGENCE?

Quoted message said:

Even with tough DUI laws in place it is often difficult to get judges to
impose the maximum sentence. This isn't IMO an anti-cyclist issue so much
as it is a failure on the part of the courts to recognize what a menace
drunk drivers are.

Sounds like the Missouri courts pertaining to negligent homicide i.e.
SLEEPING AT THE WHEEL.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Good question. The driver was sentenced
to the maximum ONLY for a death resulting
from DUI . However, there are many other
crimes that he could have been charged
with in addition, and probably convicted on.
For example, the grevious bodily harm caused to the woman.

He was guilty a single criminal act which resulted in the woman's death.
The US legal system doesn't allow him to be convicted of lesser, included
offenses and sentenced to cumulative terms. It's not the same as a kinap,
rape and murder where there are a series of crimes.

Here in the US, laws vary from state to state. However, you are
mistaken in your interpretation of the law in most, if not all,states.
There were other separate and distinct charges that could have been
pressed against this man. He got a considerable break by having been
tried, convicted, and sentenced on ONLY the most serios offense. For
example, here in South Carolina a person growing a large plot of
marijuana could, and probably would be charged with: 1. Manufacture
(growing) of marijuana 2. Felony possession (a large amount) of
marijuana 3. Intent to traffic in marijuana(over a certain amount the
law assumes the grower is planning to sell it). Plus the grower's
home, land, and car could possibly be confiscated.
Like I say, the guy got off lucky.

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He was guilty a single criminal act which resulted in the woman's death.
The US legal system doesn't allow him to be convicted of lesser, included
offenses and sentenced to cumulative terms.

That's not entirely true, particularly in Louisiana, which is the only U.S.
State that still adheres to the Napoleonic Code while all the other U.S. States
conform to English Common Law.

Quoted message said:

Even with tough DUI laws in place it is often difficult to get judges to
impose the maximum sentence. This isn't IMO an anti-cyclist issue so much
as it is a failure on the part of the courts to recognize what a menace
drunk drivers are.

There's probably a lot of truth in that, yet I've seen, on numerous occasions,
that the killers of cyclists and motorcyclists are treated with much more
leniency than is usually given when they kill the drivers of other types of
vehicles, or even pedestrians (unless of course the victim is a child).

It should also be noted that Louisiana...southern Louisiana in particular...is
an alcoholic's paradise, where some bars are literally open 24/7 and it's quite
easy to find 'drive through' daiquiri shops where one can literally buy booze
by the gallon.

James S. Prine
http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/