Drugstore Athlete

JessicaG said:

FYI: a New Yorker article from 2001 about drugs in competitive sports I
found interesting and timely:

http://www.gladwell.com/2001/2001_08_10_a_drug.htm

Thanks. That was a good read.

Bret

JessicaG said:

FYI: a New Yorker article from 2001 about drugs in competitive sports I
found interesting and timely:

http://www.gladwell.com/2001/2001_08_10_a_drug.htm

all that did was make me doubt the validity and quality of the testing
even further. I was beginning to have my doubts about FL, but now I
think I doubt the tests more, especially considering the section about
Ben Johnson.

thanks great article.

chester said:

JessicaG said:

FYI: a New Yorker article from 2001 about drugs in competitive sports
I found interesting and timely:

http://www.gladwell.com/2001/2001_08_10_a_drug.htm

all that did was make me doubt the validity and quality of the testing
even further. I was beginning to have my doubts about FL, but now I
think I doubt the tests more, especially considering the section about
Ben Johnson.

thanks great article.

Charlie Francis' "Speed Trap" is a great read on the drug culture of the
most doped sport on planet earth - Track and Field. Bodybuilders are
friggen' amateurs compared to the boys and girls of the rubber oval.

If you think that the tests have problems, take a look at the sports
governing associations. Do a web search for "USOC suppressing drug
positive track field."

Gabe Brovedani

good read

JessicaG said:

FYI: a New Yorker article from 2001 about drugs in competitive sports I
found interesting and timely:

http://www.gladwell.com/2001/2001_08_10_a_drug.htm

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chester said:

JessicaG said:

FYI: a New Yorker article from 2001 about drugs in competitive sports
I found interesting and timely:

http://www.gladwell.com/2001/2001_08_10_a_drug.htm

all that did was make me doubt the validity and quality of the testing
even further. I was beginning to have my doubts about FL, but now I
think I doubt the tests more, especially considering the section about
Ben Johnson.

thanks great article.

Charlie Francis' "Speed Trap" is a great read on the drug culture of
the
most doped sport on planet earth - Track and Field. Bodybuilders are
friggen' amateurs compared to the boys and girls of the rubber oval.

If you think that the tests have problems, take a look at the sports
governing associations. Do a web search for "USOC suppressing drug
positive track field."

That's depressing.

<quote cite="http://www.wndu.com/sports/092000/sports_3866.php">
"This is the usual thing," Pound said. "Athletes always say, `It's not
possible,' followed by, `There must be some mistake in the sample,'
followed by, `I must have got it from the toilet seat,' followed by,
`Here's a writ for $12 million from my lawyer.' "It's a very classic
profile."
</quote>

Landis is now in phase three.

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good read

That was my first impression also. Then I began to wonder if it dated
material. It is a 2001 article, but more than that they are rehashing
occurences from the late 1980's. You would think all the doping
regulation since then has had an effect. Consider the case of the 28
year old American sprinter. Her records where certainly phenominal
and can be reasonable attributed to doping, but they had not been
exceeded. It would seem this is an indication doping has crested.
I would like to read more recent article addressing the question
addressing the successes of regulation, testing etc. Too often all we
hear from are the UCI crowd with their demands for every more power.

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FYI: a New Yorker article from 2001 about drugs in competitive sports I
found interesting and timely:

http://www.gladwell.com/2001/2001_08_10_a_drug.htm

Let's get serious for a minute - in the 60's and 70's the same people who
are now decrying drugs in sports were downing "recreational" drugs made,
distributed and obtained illegally. Most of the people on this group think
absolutely NOTHING about smoking marijuana and yet tell us about drugs in
sports as if they had even a clue about it.

The very people who scream the loudest are those whose personal use of
illegal drugs was or is the highest.

How do you propose to find the truth out about anything when these people
are willing to assuage their own guilt by claiming their own failures in
others?

JessicaG said:

FYI: a New Yorker article from 2001 about drugs in competitive sports I
found interesting and timely:

http://www.gladwell.com/2001/2001_08_10_a_drug.htm

One of the most interesting things in this article is the mention of
Thyroxine. The hormone produced by, what's that? The thyroid gland.

Hey wait, did we not just learn that Floyd has a thyroid problem and
takes thyroxine?:
"thyroxine, the synthetic thyroid hormone used by athletes to speed the
metabolism and keep people lean."

Wake up folks.

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JessicaG said:

FYI: a New Yorker article from 2001 about drugs in competitive sports I
found interesting and timely:

http://www.gladwell.com/2001/2001_08_10_a_drug.htm

One of the most interesting things in this article is the mention of
Thyroxine. The hormone produced by, what's that? The thyroid gland.

Hey wait, did we not just learn that Floyd has a thyroid problem and
takes thyroxine?:
"thyroxine, the synthetic thyroid hormone used by athletes to speed the
metabolism and keep people lean."

Wake up folks.

Here's a clue - this is used by people who have had their thyroids destroyed
by various diseases and treatments for other diseases. One of the side
effects of this is thinning bones to the point where walking can break your
bones. My ex-wife broke BOTH her ankles walking down the stairs one at a
time.

This occurs very rapidly in people using more thyroid hormone than their
bodies can use and is the reason why these doses have to be carefully
controlled.

Tom Kunich said:

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JessicaG said:

FYI: a New Yorker article from 2001 about drugs in competitive sports I
found interesting and timely:

http://www.gladwell.com/2001/2001_08_10_a_drug.htm

One of the most interesting things in this article is the mention of
Thyroxine. The hormone produced by, what's that? The thyroid gland.

Hey wait, did we not just learn that Floyd has a thyroid problem and
takes thyroxine?:
"thyroxine, the synthetic thyroid hormone used by athletes to speed the
metabolism and keep people lean."

Wake up folks.

Here's a clue - this is used by people who have had their thyroids destroyed
by various diseases and treatments for other diseases. One of the side
effects of this is thinning bones to the point where walking can break your
bones. My ex-wife broke BOTH her ankles walking down the stairs one at a
time.

This occurs very rapidly in people using more thyroid hormone than their
bodies can use and is the reason why these doses have to be carefully
controlled.

Has Floyd had his thyroid irradiated, or does he suffer hypoactive? I
just thought it a bit odd on Larry King how Floyd made mention of the
thyroid. As if he was trying to plant seeds for excuses that were
still to come.

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Quoted message said:

FYI: a New Yorker article from 2001 about drugs in competitive sports I
found interesting and timely:

http://www.gladwell.com/2001/2001_08_10_a_drug.htm

Let's get serious for a minute - in the 60's and 70's the same people who
are now decrying drugs in sports were downing "recreational" drugs made,
distributed and obtained illegally. Most of the people on this group think
absolutely NOTHING about smoking marijuana and yet tell us about drugs in
sports as if they had even a clue about it.

The very people who scream the loudest are those whose personal use of
illegal drugs was or is the highest.

How do you know this, Tom? Have you spent time with these people you're talking
about and watched them doing the drugs you claim they're using? Or are you simply
assuming?

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How do you propose to find the truth out about anything when these people
are willing to assuage their own guilt by claiming their own failures in
others?

Huh, the people I know who use drugs like pot don't feel guilty in the least
about it. Nor do they think of it as a failure.

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Howard

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remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

The very people who scream the loudest are those whose personal use of
illegal drugs was or is the highest.

How do you know this, Tom? Have you spent time with these people you're
talking
about and watched them doing the drugs you claim they're using? Or are you
simply
assuming?

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Huh, the people I know who use drugs like pot don't feel guilty in the
least
about it. Nor do they think of it as a failure.

Thanks for playing.

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JessicaG wrote:
> FYI: a New Yorker article from 2001 about drugs in competitive sports
> I
> found interesting and timely:
>
> http://www.gladwell.com/2001/2001_08_10_a_drug.htm

One of the most interesting things in this article is the mention of
Thyroxine. The hormone produced by, what's that? The thyroid gland.

Hey wait, did we not just learn that Floyd has a thyroid problem and
takes thyroxine?:
"thyroxine, the synthetic thyroid hormone used by athletes to speed the
metabolism and keep people lean."

Wake up folks.

Here's a clue - this is used by people who have had their thyroids
destroyed
by various diseases and treatments for other diseases. One of the side
effects of this is thinning bones to the point where walking can break
your
bones. My ex-wife broke BOTH her ankles walking down the stairs one at a
time.

This occurs very rapidly in people using more thyroid hormone than their
bodies can use and is the reason why these doses have to be carefully
controlled.

Has Floyd had his thyroid irradiated, or does he suffer hypoactive? I
just thought it a bit odd on Larry King how Floyd made mention of the
thyroid. As if he was trying to plant seeds for excuses that were
still to come.

Or to demonstrate BEFORE HAND, as in his medical dossier, that he is
required to take a potent hormone for medical reasons and not from doping.

What do you suppose would be said if he didn't mention this and some
reporter discovered that he was using Levothyroxine, or some such? Even
though the medical actions of it are completely known and do NOT include
performance enhancing properties (unless you call living an enhancement)
laff@me and all his think-alikes would claim otherwise.

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

The very people who scream the loudest are those whose personal use of
illegal drugs was or is the highest.

How do you know this, Tom? Have you spent time with these people you're
talking about and watched them doing the drugs you claim they're using? Or
are you simply assuming?

Followed by:

Quoted message said:

Huh, the people I know who use drugs like pot don't feel guilty in the
least about it. Nor do they think of it as a failure.

Tom, you made a grandiose statement about the drug use of the people who are
complaining about doping in cycling. I'm asking if you have *first hand* knowledge
of these people's drug usage. Not an assumption - have you spent time with them and
are thus able to factually make the claim?

As for my second statement, it seems you think that proves what you said. It
doesn't. To the contrary, it proves the opposite. I know some people who smoke pot.
They go to work, they pay their bills, they pay their taxes but what they don't do
is feel guiilty about smoking weed (and why should they?). Nor do they consider it a
failure. The lack of guilty feelings pretty much eliminates any need to "assuage
their own guilt by claiming their own failures in others," as you put it. In my
experience, those people are the *least* judgemental about athletes allegedly
doping. As for guilt, that's more your bailiwick. I'd say this is another case of
you projecting.

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Thanks for playing.

Heh, you're a bit premature in your triumphalism. Not surprising.

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

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Tom, you made a grandiose statement about the drug use of the people who
are
complaining about doping in cycling. I'm asking if you have *first hand*
knowledge
of these people's drug usage. Not an assumption - have you spent time with
them and
are thus able to factually make the claim?

I'm not surprised that you can't even read. But what else is new with the
"everyone does it" crowd?

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Tom, you made a grandiose statement about the drug use of the people
who are
complaining about doping in cycling. I'm asking if you have *first hand*
knowledge
of these people's drug usage. Not an assumption - have you spent time
with them and
are thus able to factually make the claim?

I'm not surprised that you can't even read. But what else is new with the
"everyone does it" crowd?

Tom, you are such a troglodyte. I can understand why your wife left you and
you can't get laid. BTW, do you have any spawn?

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Tom, you are such a troglodyte.

laff@me - we already understand you're gay. You don't have to underscore it
every posting.

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Tom, you are such a troglodyte.

laff@me - we already understand you're gay. You don't have to underscore
it every posting.

ROTFL!!!! Seriously, do you have any spawn.

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Quoted message said:

Tom, you made a grandiose statement about the drug use of the people who
are complaining about doping in cycling. I'm asking if you have *first hand*
knowledge of these people's drug usage. Not an assumption - have you spent
time with them and are thus able to factually make the claim?

I'm not surprised that you can't even read. But what else is new with the
"everyone does it" crowd?

Speaking of poor reading and comprehension skills...

Tom said: "The very people who scream the loudest are those whose personal use of
illegal drugs was or is the highest."

What part of that doesn't jibe with what I said above (see "grandiose statement
that you can't back up"😉?

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?