drugged up ex-biker

Matthew Paterson said:

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Shame that he has to resort to that to make ends meet.

Hmmm. The cops did a sweep around my local area a few weeks
ago and netted some sophisticated setups too. Amongst them
were the local Plumber, a couple of my regulars in the bar
and a local farmer. The local farmer was reasonably well-off
- now we know why.

The plumber has been sent to jail for two years and his
property has been seized. He had a hydroponics unit and had
USD$250 000 worth growing there. It seems a shame that he
spent so much time doing that because there is high demand
for a good plumber in our area and he wasn't often
available. In fact I was having to nag at him to complete
some work for me. It'll never be finished now :-(

From what I've seen, growing dope to 'make ends meet' is not
ever a very good excuse. If the same guys spent as much time
and effort on legal activities as they do on illegal ones
they'd be financially sound and wouldn't need to grow and
sell the stuff. It's more about greed and, if you don't
think that you'll get caught, good easy money.
--
Westie (Replace 'invalid' with 'yahoo' when replying.)

On 2004-05-13, Westie penned:

Quoted message said:

Hmmm. The cops did a sweep around my local area a few
weeks ago and netted some sophisticated setups too.
Amongst them were the local Plumber, a couple of my
regulars in the bar and a local farmer. The local farmer
was reasonably well-off - now we know why.

The plumber has been sent to jail for two years and his
property has been seized. He had a hydroponics unit and
had USD$250 000 worth growing there. It seems a shame that
he spent so much time doing that because there is high
demand for a good plumber in our area and he wasn't often
available. In fact I was having to nag at him to complete
some work for me. It'll never be finished now :-(

From what I've seen, growing dope to 'make ends meet' is
not ever a very good excuse. If the same guys spent as
much time and effort on legal activities as they do on
illegal ones they'd be financially sound and wouldn't need
to grow and sell the stuff. It's more about greed and, if
you don't think that you'll get caught, good easy money.

My take on it is, it sucks that my (our) taxpayer money is
being wasted on sting operations against -- get this --
people growing plants!

Were these people caught torturing puppies? Sneaking drugs
into people's food? Cheating on their taxes? No. They were
caught ... growing plants.

Jesus H. Christ.

Another point to ponder -- if pot weren't illegal, it would
likely be a lot less profitable, and your plumber might have
actually been available for his day job. Maybe.

--
monique

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Quoted message said:

It seems a shame that he spent so much time doing that
because there is

high

Quoted message said:

demand for a good plumber

tough to meet with a no good high plumber!

Monique Y. Mudama said:

On 2004-05-13, Westie penned:

Quoted message said:

Hmmm. The cops did a sweep around my local area a few
weeks ago and netted some sophisticated setups too.
Amongst them were the local Plumber, a couple of my
regulars in the bar and a local farmer. The local farmer
was reasonably well-off - now we know why.

My take on it is, it sucks that my (our) taxpayer money is
being wasted on sting operations against -- get this --
people growing plants!

With the confiscation laws that we have I think that
it might turn into a profitable little operation for
the police.

Quoted message said:

Were these people caught torturing puppies? Sneaking drugs
into people's food? Cheating on their taxes? No. They were
caught ... growing plants.

Jesus H. Christ.

It seems to me that people only get into trouble with it
when they are involved in growing it on a large scale, or it
turns up when the police search them while investigating
other things.

Quoted message said:

Another point to ponder -- if pot weren't illegal, it
would likely be a lot less profitable, and your plumber
might have actually been available for his day job. Maybe.

True. Maybe. Personally, I'm pretty neutral about the whole
pot debate. Professionally I could do without it as it
causes problems at work. There's the usual big debate from
time to time over here to decriminalise pot and treat it as,
what would you call it?, a misdemeanour with instant fines
but no permanent criminal record. As it is I'm happy with
the status quo. I work in a cafe and bar and when you mix
dope and alcohol together you can get some interesting
situations that I'd rather not have to deal with. Most
people handle it OK, but only a week ago I had a guy that
got so off his nut all he could say was "...gugh..." and
wander zombie like around the bar knocking tables over and
pissing people off before we escorted him to his room -
where he wouldn't stay. Not to mention the people that
simply don't like secondhand pot smoke and it's
implications. I'm happy with something that helps keep it
out and away from my establishment as much as possible.

Anyway, that's a whole 'nother debate. Still a shame that
someone that did well with the biking ended up getting
caught supplying drugs.
--
Westie (Replace 'invalid' with 'yahoo' when replying.)

Westie said:

Monique Y. Mudama said:

On 2004-05-13, Westie penned:

Quoted message said:

Hmmm. The cops did a sweep around my local area a few
weeks ago and netted some sophisticated setups too.
Amongst them were the local Plumber, a couple of my
regulars in the bar and a local farmer. The local farmer
was reasonably well-off - now we know why.

My take on it is, it sucks that my (our) taxpayer money
is being wasted on sting operations against -- get this
-- people growing plants!

I totally agree. Seems like a big waste of resources. It
pisses me off that I pay for that when education is so
under-funded.

Quoted message said:

True. Maybe. Personally, I'm pretty neutral about the
whole pot debate. Professionally I could do without it as
it causes problems at work. There's the usual big debate
from time to time over here to decriminalise pot and treat
it as, what would you call it?, a misdemeanour with
instant fines but no permanent criminal record. As it is
I'm happy with the status quo. I work in a cafe and bar
and when you mix dope and alcohol together you can get
some interesting situations that I'd rather not have to
deal with. Most people handle it OK, but only a week ago I
had a guy that got so off his nut all he could say was
"...gugh..." and wander zombie like around the bar
knocking tables over and pissing people off before we
escorted him to his room - where he wouldn't stay. Not to
mention the people that simply don't like secondhand pot
smoke and it's implications. I'm happy with something that
helps keep it out and away from my establishment as much
as possible.

Lots of things are bad with heavy drinking, which I think is
more likely to cause problems than most other popular
intoxicants. That also doesn't sound like stoner behavior.
It would be much more likely for someone to mix pot with
their booze and go home to make a pizza and sleep instead of
goingout to make trouble. That's much more like coke/meth
with alcohol behavior from my observations.

Quoted message said:

Anyway, that's a whole 'nother debate. Still a shame that
someone that did well with the biking ended up getting
caught supplying drugs.

It is a shame no matter what your views. Also even though I
disagree with the laws, I know thay are the laws. It's a big
risk to have such an operation that people know thay are
taking. A bad idea for sure. He'll be living with the
consequences for a long time.

Matt

Matthew Paterson said:

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Shame that he has to resort to that to make ends meet.

What makes you think he's making ends meet with them?

You'd be surprised just how much pot one, and a "few" good
friends, can ingest. My best friend's dad used to have two
55 gal plastic trash cans delivered (approx every month),
jam packed with buds. And yes, he dealed, but a lot of it
was personal use. Not to mention, we were popular in Jr.
High (hehehe), and the first kids in our hood to own one of
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See, all that pot smoking at a young age didn't adversely
effect me!
--
Slacker

MattB said:

Westie said:

Personally, I'm pretty neutral about the whole pot
debate. Professionally I could do without it as it causes
problems at work. There's the usual big debate from time
to time over here to decriminalise pot and treat it as,
what would you call it?, a misdemeanour with instant
fines but no permanent criminal record. As it is I'm
happy with the status quo. I work in a cafe and bar and
when you mix dope and alcohol together you can get some
interesting situations that I'd rather not have to deal
with. Most people handle it OK, but only a week ago I had
a guy that got so off his nut all he could say was
"...gugh..." and wander zombie like around the bar
knocking tables over and pissing people off before we
escorted him to his room - where he wouldn't stay. Not to
mention the people that simply don't like secondhand pot
smoke and it's implications. I'm happy with something
that helps keep it out and away from my establishment as
much as possible.

Lots of things are bad with heavy drinking, which I think
is more likely to cause problems than most other popular
intoxicants.

There's no doubt that heavy drinking causes problems and is
a pain in the [censored] to deal with. At least here we have
fairly strict liquor laws and it's relatively easy to
control the consumption and level of drunkeness in a well
run bar. True enough, most just mellow out on the dope - but
not everyone especially if it's a party atmosphere. Having
to deal with intoxicated people is bad enough but add drugs
to it and there's whole other dimension. That includes the
reactions of the other customers and the reputation it
brings to the place. I'm not talking about the social
consequences or ethics or the effects on the community in a
wider sense; I'm just talking about working in a bar late at
night :-) (Don't get me started on the other drugs like e
and crystal meth! )

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That also doesn't sound like stoner behavior. It would be
much more likely for someone to mix pot with their booze
and go home to make a pizza and sleep instead of goingout
to make trouble. That's much more like coke/meth with
alcohol behavior from my observations.

Sorry. It was dope. But one hell of a lot of it. He was only
in town for the night and got hanging out with some locals
that I know well and who only ever smoke dope. They headed
out back (beer garden with benches and seating around back)
and smoked up large. This guy apparently sucked it down like
he was a drowning man gasping for breath. Result? Alcohol +
lotsa pot = brain tried emergency shutdown but forgot to
tell his body.

--
Westie (Replace 'invalid' with 'yahoo' when replying.)

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Matthew Paterson said:

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Shame that he has to resort to that to make ends meet.

What makes you think he's making ends meet with them?

You'd be surprised just how much pot one, and a "few" good
friends, can ingest. My best friend's dad used to have two
55 gal plastic trash cans delivered (approx every month),
jam packed with buds. And yes, he dealed, but a lot of it
was personal use. Not to mention, we were popular in Jr.
High (hehehe), and the first kids in our hood to own one
of these 420auction.comhookahpipe.jpgOpen ↗

See, all that pot smoking at a young age didn't adversely
effect me!

Word dude!

Tokie?

O O 0 o , 'Ere - ~===U

',;~}~

Heheheheh...

Shaun aRe

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Quoted message said:

Monique Y. Mudama said:

On 2004-05-13, Westie penned:

Quoted message said:

Hmmm. The cops did a sweep around my local area a few
weeks ago and netted some sophisticated setups too.
Amongst them were the local Plumber, a couple of my
regulars in the bar and a local farmer. The local
farmer was reasonably well-off - now we know why.

My take on it is, it sucks that my (our) taxpayer money
is being wasted on sting operations against -- get this
-- people growing plants!

With the confiscation laws that we have I think that
it might turn into a profitable little operation for
the police.

Quoted message said:

Were these people caught torturing puppies? Sneaking
drugs into people's food? Cheating on their taxes? No.
They were caught ... growing plants.

Jesus H. Christ.

It seems to me that people only get into trouble with it
when they are involved in growing it on a large scale, or
it turns up when the police search them while
investigating other things.

Quoted message said:

Another point to ponder -- if pot weren't illegal, it
would likely be a lot less profitable, and your plumber
might have actually been available for his day job.
Maybe.

True. Maybe. Personally, I'm pretty neutral about the
whole pot debate. Professionally

I

Quoted message said:

could do without it as it causes problems at work. There's
the usual big debate from time to time over here to
decriminalise pot and treat it as, what would you call
it?, a misdemeanour with instant fines but no

permanent

Quoted message said:

criminal record. As it is I'm happy with the status quo. I
work in a

cafe

Quoted message said:

and bar and when you mix dope and alcohol together you can
get some interesting situations that I'd rather not have
to deal with. Most people handle it OK, but only a week
ago I had a guy that got so off his nut all

he

Quoted message said:

could say was "...gugh..." and wander zombie like around
the bar knocking tables over and pissing people off before
we escorted him to his room - where he wouldn't stay. Not
to mention the people that simply don't like secondhand
pot smoke and it's implications. I'm happy with something
that helps keep it out and away from my establishment as
much as possible.

Anyway, that's a whole 'nother debate. Still a shame that
someone that

did

Quoted message said:

well with the biking ended up getting caught
supplying drugs.

DUUUUDE! Whassup with all the negs man? I mean, like, live
and let live, right? Like, yaknow, do it if ya wanna, don't
if ya don't wanna, yaknow?

Shaun aRe
--

O O 0 o , 'Ere - ~===U

puff, puff, pass.....

Quoted message said:

From what I've seen, growing dope to 'make ends meet' is
not ever a very good excuse. If the same guys spent as
much time and effort on legal activities as they do on
illegal ones they'd be financially sound and wouldn't need
to grow and sell the stuff. It's more about greed and, if

you

Quoted message said:

don't think that you'll get caught, good easy money.

Most private folks who grow, do so for a few reasons, but
mostly it is to
(1) feed thier own head and stop funding off-shore
operations
(2) insure quality and a steady supply
(3) horticulture is a fun hobby, especially when you can eat
(or in this case smoke) the "fruits of your labor".

IMO, The small "home growers" who are cultivating for
personal consumption are not who we need to be targeting,
it's the street dealers thier suppliers and importers we
need to go after. If potheads want to sit around after work
in the privacy of thier basement and attic and trim off a
fresh bud, roast it up and watch bad movies on AMC.... As
long as they don't get behind the wheel and drive 45 down
the passing lane of the highway, who cares?!?!?!?!?

But that is just my personal opinion.

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puff, puff, pass.....

Heh! Cheers Jon, don' min' if'n I does mate!

Tokie tokie?

O O 0 o , 'Ere - ~===U

',;~}~

Shaun aRe

JG said:

Quoted message said:

From what I've seen, growing dope to 'make ends meet' is
not ever a very good excuse. If the same guys spent as
much time and effort on legal activities as they do on
illegal ones they'd be financially sound and wouldn't
need to grow and sell the stuff. It's more about greed
and, if you don't think that you'll get caught, good
easy money.

Most private folks who grow, do so for a few reasons, but
mostly it is to (1) feed thier own head and stop funding
off-shore operations
(2) insure quality and a steady supply
(3) horticulture is a fun hobby, especially when you can
eat (or in this case smoke) the "fruits of your
labor".

IMO, The small "home growers" who are cultivating for
personal consumption are not who we need to be targeting,
it's the street dealers thier suppliers and importers we
need to go after. If potheads want to sit around after
work in the privacy of thier basement and attic and trim
off a fresh bud, roast it up and watch bad movies on
AMC.... As long as they don't get behind the wheel and
drive 45 down the passing lane of the highway, who
cares?!?!?!?!?

But that is just my personal opinion.

It's almost like you know what you're talking about! 😉

I agree, but unfortunately those small-time growers can
still have their assets seized and children taken away on
the principal that they were growing and not just consuming.
The way the laws are designed you're better off (legally
speaking) contributing to organized crime if you're
interested in acquiring some product.

Not that I have feelings about this issue or anything...

Matt (who me?)

Matthew Paterson said:

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Shame that he has to resort to that to make ends meet.

Hard to get worked up about this when Meth and Meth labs are
a huge problem in the Four Corners area, not only for the
users, but for the general public who occasionally run into
the disposed kits. Perhaps this was the focus of the bust,
but turned out to be something else. I wish they would focus
there energies a little more appropriately!

--
Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado (remove ".nospam" to reply)

MattB said:

Lots of things are bad with heavy drinking, which I think
is more likely to cause problems than most other popular
intoxicants. That also doesn't sound like stoner behavior.
It would be much more likely for someone to mix pot with
their booze and go home to make a pizza and sleep instead
of goingout to make trouble. That's much more like
coke/meth with alcohol behavior from my observations.

Generally speaking, people who are jerks while
drinking/smoking are jerks while sober, but often do a
better job hiding it (while sober).

--
Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado (remove ".nospam" to reply)

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Quoted message said:

JG said:

IMO, The small "home growers" who are cultivating for
personal consumption are not who we need to be
targeting, it's the street dealers thier suppliers and
importers we need to go after. If potheads want to sit
around after work in the privacy of thier basement and
attic and trim off a fresh bud, roast it up and watch
bad movies on AMC.... As long as they don't get behind
the wheel and drive 45 down the passing lane of the
highway, who cares?!?!?!?!?

But that is just my personal opinion.

It's almost like you know what you're talking about! 😉

Well, despite the fact I only got a "B" in the class, I did
learn a few things in the Drug Abuse and Law Enforcement
class I took in in the Fall '03 Semester, as well as plenty
of personal "on the job" experince. And it's no secret, I
did "experiment" once or twice in High School

Quoted message said:

I agree, but unfortunately those small-time growers can
still have their assets seized and children taken away on
the principal that they were growing and not just
consuming.

Yes they can.

Quoted message said:

The way the laws are designed you're better off (legally
speaking) contributing to organized crime if you're

interested

Quoted message said:

in acquiring some product.

Sad isn't it?

Quoted message said:

Not that I have feelings about this issue or anything...

Just stay off the danmed roads!

JG wrote: <snip>

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Just stay off the danmed roads!

Yes sir!

Matt

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Matthew Paterson said:

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Shame that he has to resort to that to make ends meet.

Hmmm. The cops did a sweep around my local area a few
weeks ago and netted some sophisticated setups too.
Amongst them were the local Plumber, a couple of my
regulars in the bar and a local farmer. The local farmer
was reasonably well-off - now we know why.

The plumber has been sent to jail for two years and his
property has been seized. He had a hydroponics unit and
had USD$250 000 worth growing there. It seems a shame that
he spent so much time doing that because there is high
demand for a good plumber in our area and he wasn't often
available. In fact I was having to nag at him to complete
some work for me. It'll never be finished now :-(

From what I've seen, growing dope to 'make ends meet' is
not ever a very good excuse. If the same guys spent as
much time and effort on legal activities as they do on
illegal ones they'd be financially sound and wouldn't need
to grow and sell the stuff. It's more about greed and, if
you don't think that you'll get caught, good easy money.

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Shaun Rimmer said:

DUUUUDE! Whassup with all the negs man? I mean, like, live
and let live, right? Like, yaknow, do it if ya wanna,
don't if ya don't wanna, yaknow?

<laugh> Like I said, Shaun. I got no problems with it
outside of my work place. Besides, I'd be foolish to
comment on something that I have no personal knowledge of,
wouldn't I... ;-)
--
Westie (Replace 'invalid' with 'yahoo' when replying.)