drug cloud hovers over Vino and Kash...

Yeah, so... What else is new? I mean, anyone surprised?

whiteboytrash said:

Astana riders Alexandre Vinokourov and his most valuable domestique Andrei Kashechkin have decided to call it a day for this season after the Züri-Metzgete, the pair announced. Even though the two could not participate in the 2006 Tour de France, they made the Vuelta a España a tough battle for Alejandro Valverde, and managed to turn the race around in the final week, to take home the maillot oro.

It is this achievement that French trainer Frédéric Grappe questions now in Vélo Magazine, saying that the physical progress Vinokourov achieved since the Tour de France last year was practically impossible. "He would have gained, in one year, between 35 and 40 watts on the verge of the anaerobic threshold? That's nearly impossible on that level of training. Even the best training in the world would not lead to this kind of performance increase," Grappe told the French magazine, speaking of those last two mountain stages where the Kazakhstani reversed the overall classification.

"This remarkably fast performance imrpovement in the mountains needs to be explained precisely as to the methodology (of training) used. Moreover, this sudden explosion of potential in the mountains comes late - at the age of 33. Something's not right there," he continued.

exatcly the samething i have asked about armstrong

but this is not as all that much improvments lance did..

so why was no one asked lance this question??

zlatan said:

exatcly the samething i have asked about armstrong

but this is not as all that much improvments lance did..

so why was no one asked lance this question??

???

I see you haven't been on the board long. LA has been suspected for years. He has been asked for years. Sure, his big fans may close their eyes, but he is hardly above suspicion.

zlatan said:

but this is not as all that much improvments lance did..

so why was no one asked lance this question??

Because everyone knows all you have to do is increase your cadence by 15 RPM and you gain a hundred sustained watts.Too bad all the other pros were not smart enough to take advantage of this obvious and easy performance enhancement. Dumbasses.

I increased my cadence by ten RPM and gained seventy watts. Another five or ten RPM and I'll be ready to turn pro. I also never tested positive

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French trainer Frédéric Grappe questioned

Remarks of the French trainer Frédéric Grappe are questioned. Grappe was asked to proof his allegations but didn't give an answer. Meanwhile my grandmother raced with French national hero Bernard Hinault on the Mont Ventoux and lost her socks. My grandmother stated that she loves to be on tv.

Bro Deal said:

Because everyone knows all you have to do is increase your cadence by 15 RPM and you gain a hundred sustained watts.Too bad all the other pros were not smart enough to take advantage of this obvious and easy performance enhancement. Dumbasses.

I increased my cadence by ten RPM and gained seventy watts. Another five or ten RPM and I'll be ready to turn pro. I also never tested positive

😉

You should try an increase of 20 RPM. My coach suggested a 25 RPM increase - now there is a Dumbass. I don't have the right gear for a 25 RPM increase :eek:

steve said:

You should try an increase of 20 RPM. My coach suggested a 25 RPM increase - now there is a Dumbass. I don't have the right gear for a 25 RPM increase :eek:

Your team doctor would have all the gear you need...
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Bro Deal said:

Because everyone knows all you have to do is increase your cadence by 15 RPM and you gain a hundred sustained watts.Too bad all the other pros were not smart enough to take advantage of this obvious and easy performance enhancement. Dumbasses.

I increased my cadence by ten RPM and gained seventy watts. Another five or ten RPM and I'll be ready to turn pro. I also never tested positive

😉

I really hope you are being ironic? You don't seriously think that anyone that has been pro for years can just 'decide' to up their cadence by about 15% to net performance gains.

Surely no one thinks that.

Virtually all of the pro's are on EPO and looking at Vino, he has almost definitely been on HGH and testosterone to get the leg muscles that he has, on the basic physical frame that he posseses. And most of that physical improvement and muscle gain being in his early thirties.

It's totally naive not to accept that given the UCI's idiotic approach to 'detecting' EPO, that the pro's would not 'drug up to the limit' - which is of course exactly what they do. It's only proven to be illegal (and therefore in any sense actually illegal) when you drug over the limit (for haematocrit that is).

It's a level playing field, as long as you cheat, and have access to the best Doctors. And don't mind getting up at 3.00 in the morning to ride rollers to stop yourself dying of a heart attack.

Maybe if the pharmaceutical company put a modified version of EPO out that made the patient's skin turn bright green? Cancer sufferers would hardly give a toss would they? Their interest is only really in getting better after all. But, we'd soon see who was honest about taking the drug pretty quickly. (Okay, I'm not serious about that as an idea, but you catch what I'm saying there ...)

KellyT said:

I really hope you are being ironic? You don't seriously think that anyone that has been pro for years can just 'decide' to up their cadence by about 15% to net performance gains.

Quit with the negative waves already. If you would just open your soul to the majesty and wonder of The Lance then you too would know unquestioning happiness. While increasing your cadence and losing a few pounds may seem like trivial and easily duplicatable changes that any pro would imitate if ithey gave performance benefits, we true believers know that is what transformed The Lance from a mildly successful one day rider who never showed any talent for placing the the top twenty of a GT into an unstoppable climbing and time trialing machine. The fact that this transformation happened after The Lance became a client of the best dope doctor in the business is somewhere between pure coincidence and blasphemy.

Hallelujah! Praise the Lord and pass the EPO.

Bro Deal said:

Quit with the negative waves already. If you would just open your soul to the majesty and wonder of The Lance then you too would know unquestioning happiness. While increasing your cadence and losing a few pounds may seem like trivial and easily duplicatable changes that any pro would imitate if ithey gave performance benefits, we true believers know that is what transformed The Lance from a mildly successful one day rider who never showed any talent for placing the the top twenty of a GT into an unstoppable climbing and time trialing machine. The fact that this transformation happened after The Lance became a client of the best dope doctor in the business is somewhere between pure coincidence and blasphemy.

Hallelujah! Praise the Lord and pass the EPO.

Negative waves? I'm just sitting here drinking wine and eating cheese ...

I believe, I believe, but I'm a little worried my fear of needles could prevent me reaching my full cadence potential. Not that, there's the slightest connection, of course.

KellyT said:

Negative waves? I'm just sitting here drinking wine and eating cheese ...

...and catching some rays.

Bro Deal said:

Quit with the negative waves already. If you would just open your soul to the majesty and wonder of The Lance then you too would know unquestioning happiness. While increasing your cadence and losing a few pounds may seem like trivial and easily duplicatable changes that any pro would imitate if ithey gave performance benefits, we true believers know that is what transformed The Lance from a mildly successful one day rider who never showed any talent for placing the the top twenty of a GT into an unstoppable climbing and time trialing machine. The fact that this transformation happened after The Lance became a client of the best dope doctor in the business is somewhere between pure coincidence and blasphemy.

Hallelujah! Praise the Lord and pass the EPO.

Don't forget Johan Brunyeel's brilliant management. He is so good that other teams are too scared to even think about attacking Lance.

whiteboytrash said:

Astana riders Alexandre Vinokourov and his most valuable domestique Andrei Kashechkin have decided to call it a day for this season after the Züri-Metzgete, the pair announced. Even though the two could not participate in the 2006 Tour de France, they made the Vuelta a España a tough battle for Alejandro Valverde, and managed to turn the race around in the final week, to take home the maillot oro.

It is this achievement that French trainer Frédéric Grappe questions now in Vélo Magazine, saying that the physical progress Vinokourov achieved since the Tour de France last year was practically impossible. "He would have gained, in one year, between 35 and 40 watts on the verge of the anaerobic threshold? That's nearly impossible on that level of training. Even the best training in the world would not lead to this kind of performance increase," Grappe told the French magazine, speaking of those last two mountain stages where the Kazakhstani reversed the overall classification.

"This remarkably fast performance imrpovement in the mountains needs to be explained precisely as to the methodology (of training) used. Moreover, this sudden explosion of potential in the mountains comes late - at the age of 33. Something's not right there," he continued.

Where's the evidence? I hate those sick people that can't achieve anything and then they make a fuss about other people.

Lance is retire. Dead subject as far as I am concerned. I did 30 miles today and no one will accuse me of doping lconsidering my average speed.
Getting older has it's rewards....speed on a bike is not one of them.

guncha said:

I hate those sick people that can't achieve anything and then they make a fuss about other people.

Definitely an antisocial type. Woof, woof, woof! That's my other dog imitation.

Bro Deal said:

Definitely an antisocial type. Woof, woof, woof! That's my other dog imitation.

Odd ball.