Driving and weight

Dan Daniel said:

Interesting article about the relation between weight and
driving- edition.cnn.comfat.drivOpen ↗
ers.ap/index.html

Yes, that verbosely discusses how the issue affects
bicyclists.
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How can I get paid millions of dollars to study something
blatantly obvious? THIS JUST IN, if you don't ever move, you
are more likely to be fat. Wow..

The teacher in my "intro to psychology" class was being paid
to study marijuana useage. A direct quote from her was "you
may be suprised to know, but it isn't just vagrants that
smoke marijuana".

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Interesting article about the relation between weight and
driving-

edition.cnn.comiOpen ↗
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Mike Beauchamp said:

How can I get paid millions of dollars to study something
blatantly obvious?

dunno about millions, but they'll pay you tens, maybe even
hundreds of dollars to do just that in graduate school.
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Mon, 31 May 2004 16:18:03 -0400, <[email hidden]>,

Mike Beauchamp said:

The teacher in my "intro to psychology" class was being
paid to study marijuana useage. A direct quote from her was
"you may be suprised to know, but it isn't just vagrants
that smoke marijuana".

A recent government funded study has shown that teenagers
are having

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I've often wondered how much gasoline the average fat
American wastes due to carrying extra payload (FAT). I knew
an obese family of 5 when I was growing up that went through
a car every two years because they were FAT. They blew out
the shocks constantly. The car rode so low to the ground
that you could see them coming from a mile away. The wear-and-
tear must have been horrendous. But I always wondered how
much more gas they used than our family.

-Bob

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Interesting article about the relation between weight and
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edition.cnn.comiOpen ↗
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I hope the actual paper is better than the summary in the
article. The article only shows that there is a correlation
between time driving and weight, but does not establish the
causality. It well could be that other factors which cause
the choice of a lifestyle with lots of driving also cause
the obesity. Or to be simple, it could be simply that the
stress of driving a lot leads to a lot of stress releiving
snacking. As described in the article, this looks like lousy
research. Remember that 99% of all convicted murderers ate
mashed potatoes at some point in their life - so you better
stay away from mashed pototoes!

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Interesting article about the relation between weight
and driving-

edition.cnn.comfat.drivers.apOpen ↗
/index.html

I hope the actual paper is better than the summary in the
article. The article only shows that there is a
correlation between time driving and weight, but does not
establish the causality. It well could be that other

Proving causality is much more difficult than showing
correlation. If this is the first study of this area, they
probably expect further studies to attempt to establish or
disprove causation.

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factors which cause the choice of a lifestyle with lots of
driving also cause the obesity. Or to be simple, it could
be simply that the stress of driving a lot leads to a lot
of stress releiving snacking. As described in the article,
this looks like lousy research. Remember that 99% of all
convicted murderers ate mashed potatoes at some point in
their life - so you better stay away from mashed pototoes!

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David Kerber wrote:
:: In article <[email hidden]>,
:: mail@*splinters*mrstudio.com says...
:::
::: "Dan Daniel" <[email hidden]> wrote in
::: message
::: "]news:[email hidden]...
:::: Interesting article about the relation between weight
:::: and driving-
::::
:::: edition.cnn.comfat.drivers.aOpen ↗
:::: p/index.html
:::
::: I hope the actual paper is better than the summary in
::: the article. The article only shows that there is a
::: correlation between time driving and weight, but does
::: not establish the causality. It well could be that other
::
:: Proving causality is much more difficult than showing
:: correlation. If this is the first study of this area,
:: they probably expect further studies to attempt to
:: establish or disprove causation.

yes...and a further waste of money....the cycle goes
on and on...

::
::
::: factors which cause the choice of a lifestyle with lots
::: of driving also cause the obesity. Or to be simple, it
::: could be simply that the stress of driving a lot leads
::: to a lot of stress releiving snacking. As described in
::: the article, this looks like lousy research. Remember
::: that 99% of all convicted murderers ate mashed potatoes
::: at some point in their life - so you better stay away
::: from mashed pototoes!
::
::
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MarkR wrote:
:: "Dan Daniel" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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::: Interesting article about the relation between weight
::: and driving-
:::
::: edition.cnn.comfat.drivers.apOpen ↗
::: /index.html
::
:: I hope the actual paper is better than the summary in the
:: article. The article only shows that there is a
:: correlation between time driving and weight, but does not
:: establish the causality. It well could be that other
:: factors which cause the choice of a lifestyle with lots
:: of driving also cause the obesity. Or to be simple, it
:: could be simply that the stress of driving a lot leads to
:: a lot of stress releiving snacking. As described in the
:: article, this looks like lousy research. Remember that
:: 99% of all convicted murderers ate mashed potatoes at
:: some point in their life - so you better stay away from
:: mashed pototoes!

Basically, you just proved that the entire study was
hogwash. One can draw any correlation one wants, without
causality its pretty damn meaningless.

Quoted message said:

How can I get paid millions of dollars to study something
blatantly obvious?

Three simple steps:

(1) obtain some academic credentials
(2) write a persuasive grant proposal
(3) submit your proposal to every granting agency
imaginable, and keep revising and re-submitting it until
you get a grant.

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The article only shows that there is a correlation between
time driving and weight, but does not establish the
causality.

The mantra of every teacher of Elementary Statistics:
"correlation does not imply causation".

clip) Remember that 99% of all convicted murderers ate
mashed potatoes at some point in their life - so you
better stay away from mashed pototoes!

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Basically, you just proved that the entire study was
hogwash. One can draw any correlation one wants, without
causality its pretty damn meaningless. ^^^^^^^^^^^^ My
favorite correlation shows that whenever teachers earnings
go up, the amount spent on liquor goes up as well. In the
driving/weight study, it seems to me that the causality is
pretty obvious: people who drive more tend to walk less.

Quoted message said:

My favorite correlation shows that whenever teachers
earnings go up, the amount spent on liquor goes up
as well.

Makes sense: they can better afford to buy the good stuff!

Leo Lichtman wrote:
:: clip) Remember that 99% of all convicted murderers ate
:: mashed potatoes at some point in their life - so
:: you better stay away from mashed pototoes!
:::
:: Basically, you just proved that the entire study was
:: hogwash. One can draw any correlation one wants, without
:: causality its pretty damn meaningless. ^^^^^^^^^^^^ My
:: favorite correlation shows that whenever teachers
:: earnings go up, the amount spent on liquor goes up as
:: well. In the driving/weight study, it seems to me that
:: the causality is pretty obvious: people who drive more
:: tend to walk less.

Nonsense...what about people who make a point of getting
exercise? I commute 1.5 hours per day, but I've lost 130 lbs
since starting that. Why? Because I control what I eat and I
exercise. Those who drive a lot and fat not because they
drive a lot, but because the eat too much. I've seen many
way overweight people who hardly drive at all...there are
plenty of them here in SC who live within easy walking
distance of where they work...the amount of driving they do
makes little difference...if they decided to move
before/after/during work and watched what they ate, they
could control their weight. Similar correlations can be
drawn to TV watching, sitting behind a desk all day,,
anything you want, really...it's only because this study as
a commonsensical result is why people don't see it as a
complete and absurb waste of money....in fact, it's flat out
insulting that someone would even push this notion...oh,
sure, you're fat because you spend too much time
driving....instead of saying you're fat because you eat too
much....geez...

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study, it seems to me that the causality is pretty
obvious: people who drive more tend to walk less.

The purpose of a controlled observation study (also called
a scientific study) is to prove or disprove a hypothesis,
even one that may seem obvious. To assume the hypothesis at
the start is called "begging the question", a logical
falacy that appears is a freightening amount of
sociological studies.

I would highly suspect that those who choose to live a
lifestyle with long commutes also make other choices that
lead to increased weight.

But remember, we've only seen an article about the study.
There's a good chance that the actual paper will be well
written, and that the problem here is just a lousy
science writer.

Roger Zoul said:

push this notion...oh, sure, you're fat because you spend
too much time driving....instead of saying you're fat
because you eat too much....geez...

Well given that there are only 24 hours in a day:

8 spent sleeping 2 spent doing maintenance (shave, shower,
etc.) 2 hours eating 8 hours working ? hours commuting

That leaves 4 hours minus commute in the day. Who's more
likely to find time to exercise, walk around, and do things
that are active? The guy who has a 2 hour a day commute (50%
of his disposable time) or the guy who has a 20 minute
commute ( 8% of his disposable time)?

Just because *you* manage to find time to commute 1.5 hours
by car and still get exercise doesn't mean anything
statisticly. We're talking about population wide behaviour.
Some of those people in the study will be like you, some of
them *won't*.

This would be a contributing factor to obesity. I doubt
anyone is saying "Oh my god! This is the sole reason people
are becoming festively plump!"

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Roger Zoul said:

push this notion...oh, sure, you're fat because you
spend too much time driving....instead of saying you're
fat because you eat too much....geez...

Well given that there are only 24 hours in a day:

8 spent sleeping

Ok.

Quoted message said:

2 spent doing maintenance (shave, shower, etc.) 2
hours eating

??? YOu must eat, shower and shave slowly! I probably don't
spend more than 2.5 on all of those combined.

....

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David Kerber ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net said:

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[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Roger Zoul said:

push this notion...oh, sure, you're fat because you
spend too much time driving....instead of saying you're
fat because you eat too much....geez...

Well given that there are only 24 hours in a day:

8 spent sleeping

Ok.

One thing I am glad is that I only need 6-7 hours sleep
usually. It means I can get up earlier than everyone else
and have some time in the morning without any small
barbarians pillaging through the house.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

2 spent doing maintenance (shave, shower, etc.) 2
hours eating

??? YOu must eat, shower and shave slowly! I probably
don't spend more than 2.5 on all of those combined.

:P Smarty-pants.

Actually I do like long ... steamy showers... (I'll stop
before this sounds anymore like a personal ad) You also need
to put in the prep time and cooking for eating, not just the
actual sitting down and consuming.

These are really just back of the envelope estimates, but I
don't think they're that awful.

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The older I grow, the more I distrust the familiar doctrine
that age brings wisdom. -- H.L. Mencken

On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:42:19 -0400, David Kerber

ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net said:

??? YOu must eat, shower and shave slowly! I probably don't
spend more than 2.5 on all of those combined.

I figured that to include other necessities such as grocery
shopping, taking care of the kids, and so on.
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Rick Onanian