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Drivers a danger to themselves

Stephen \ · 2003-01-31T10:17:30+00:00

Interesting piece on Radio 4 this morning with a professor studying driver behaviour (John Adams?) stating that with the seat belt law, ABS brakes and safer car design motorists get more confident that they won't be injured in accidents and are thus a danger to more vulnerable groups on the road - pedestrians, the old, children and cyclists. He reckoned the best way to reduce accidents would be to replace airbags with metal spikes - which sounds reasonable ;-)

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Stephen \
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31 January 2003, 10:17 UTC #1

Interesting piece on Radio 4 this morning with a professor studying driver behaviour (John Adams?)
stating that with the seat belt law, ABS brakes and safer car design motorists get more confident
that they won't be injured in accidents and are thus a danger to more vulnerable groups on the road
- pedestrians, the old, children and cyclists. He reckoned the best way to reduce accidents would be
to replace airbags with metal spikes - which sounds reasonable ;-)

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Stephen \
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31 January 2003, 10:17 UTC #2

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Interesting piece on Radio 4 this morning with a professor studying driver behaviour (John Adams?)
stating that with the seat belt law, ABS brakes

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safer car design motorists get more confident that they won't be injured

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accidents and are thus a danger to more vulnerable groups on the road - pedestrians, the old,
children and cyclists. He reckoned the best way to reduce accidents would be to replace airbags
with metal spikes - which sounds reasonable ;-)

and this may well be him
geog.ucl.ac.uk~jadams

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Stephen \
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31 January 2003, 11:02 UTC #3

"Stephen (aka steford)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Stephen (aka steford)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Interesting piece on Radio 4 this morning with a professor studying

driver
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behaviour (John Adams?) stating that with the seat belt law, ABS brakes

and
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safer car design motorists get more confident that they won't be injured

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accidents and are thus a danger to more vulnerable groups on the road - pedestrians, the old,
children and cyclists. He reckoned the best way to reduce accidents would be to replace airbags
with metal spikes - which sounds reasonable ;-)

and this may well be him
geog.ucl.ac.uk~jadams

Sorry that I've replied to myself twice but the John Adams at the above link is indeed the John
Adams interviewed this morning and he's just replied to my email praising his appearance on the
Today programme. He's sent me some links on risk including one on helmet wearing which I know a lot
of people here like to erm discuss!
adamsmith.org.ukrisky business.pdf
rcgp.org.ukkeynote4.asp
ip.bmjjournals.come1 hse.gov.ukrr035.pdf
rsa.org.ukhypermobility.pdf
That's it from me now.

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Just Zis Guy
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31 January 2003, 11:17 UTC #4

Stephen (aka steford) said:
Sorry that I've replied to myself twice but the John Adams at the above link is indeed the John
Adams interviewed this morning and he's just replied to my email praising his appearance on the
Today programme. He's sent me some links on risk including one on helmet wearing which I know a
lot of people here like to erm discuss!
I propose that we officially rename them "Polystyrene Deflector Beanies" in recognition of the
weight and quality of research backing their use. And I am a lid-wearer, before you all fire up the
flamethrowers.
I liked his web page - picture of intelligent man on bike :-)
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Guy
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I wonder if you wouldn't mind piecing out our imperfections with your thoughts; and while you're
about it perhaps you could think when we talk of bicycles, that you see them printing their proud
wheels i' the receiving earth; thanks awfully.
highwaycode.gov.uk09.shtml highwaycode.gov.uk09.shtml

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W K
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31 January 2003, 11:47 UTC #5

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I liked his web page - picture of intelligent man on bike :-)
Wow, a lecturer with no face fungus.

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Just Zis Guy
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31 January 2003, 13:18 UTC #6

W K said:
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I liked his web page - picture of intelligent man on bike :-)
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Wow, a lecturer with no face fungus.
I wonder if he is a real lecturer? We'd better check for the presence of the approved Hush
Puppies, frayed woolly tie and tweed jacket with leather elbow patches, uniform de rigeur of the
Provisional NUT.
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Guy
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I wonder if you wouldn't mind piecing out our imperfections with your thoughts; and while you're
about it perhaps you could think when we talk of bicycles, that you see them printing their proud
wheels i' the receiving earth; thanks awfully.
highwaycode.gov.uk09.shtml highwaycode.gov.uk09.shtml

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Tony Raven
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31 January 2003, 18:18 UTC #7

Stephen (aka steford) said:
He's sent me some links on risk including one on helmet wearing which I know a lot of people here
like to erm discuss!
Does he recommend fitting steel spikes inside helmets then?
Tony
raven-family.comraven-family.com
"The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" George
Bernard Shaw.

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Stephen \
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31 January 2003, 18:49 UTC #8

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He's sent me some links on risk including one on helmet wearing which I know

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lot of people here like to erm discuss!
Does he recommend fitting steel spikes inside helmets then?
Tony

Cars are our spikes.

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Tony Raven
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31 January 2003, 18:49 UTC #9

Stephen (aka steford) said:
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Does he recommend fitting steel spikes inside helmets then?

Cars are our spikes.
Not if you ride off-road ;-)
Tony
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"The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" George
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David Hansen
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1 February 2003, 13:46 UTC #10

On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:24:32 -0000 someone who may be "Stephen $aka steford$"
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-
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Sorry that I've replied to myself twice but the John Adams at the above link is indeed the John
Adams interviewed this morning and he's just replied to my email praising his appearance on the
Today programme.
I'm glad you have found out about John Adams. His insights are excellent, which is why the road
"safety" lobby tries to ignore or discredit them.
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David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E I will always explain revoked
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Mike Sales
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1 February 2003, 17:46 UTC #11

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Interesting piece on Radio 4 this morning with a professor studying

driver
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behaviour (John Adams?) stating that with the seat belt law, ABS

brakes
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and
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safer car design motorists get more confident that they won't be

injured
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accidents and are thus a danger to more vulnerable groups on the

road -
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pedestrians, the old, children and cyclists. He reckoned the best way

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reduce accidents would be to replace airbags with metal spikes - which sounds reasonable ;-)

and this may well be him
geog.ucl.ac.uk~jadams

Sorry that I've replied to myself twice but the John Adams at the above

link
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is indeed the John Adams interviewed this morning and he's just replied to my email praising his
appearance on the Today programme. He's sent me some links on risk including one on helmet wearing
which I know a lot of people here like to erm discuss!

adamsmith.org.ukrisky business.pdf
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rcgp.org.ukkeynote4.asp
ip.bmjjournals.come1 hse.gov.ukrr035.pdf
rsa.org.ukhypermobility.pdf
That's it from me now.

I can't recommend strongly enough his book "Risk". I think that any cyclist would find his account
of how we cope with danger etc on the road illuminating and at the same time familiar. It gives one
a different perspective on "Road Safety". It explains risk compensation more effectively and
convincingly than squabbles over helmets in this news group can. Mike Sales

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