Drinking more on the hill

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Rob G contained the following:

Quoted message said:

Thinking about it afterwards we did stop at a reasonable number of
burns but the intake was pretty minimal and I now wonder if taking
along some sort of drink powder would help. My thoughts were no so
much the 'ionic' addition but the fact that the presence of a bit of
flavour and sweetness might encourage greater intake.

Any opinions and if so what is suggested without being unduly
expensive ?

How about this for a great idea for a product , something that does that
and purifies the water as well?

--
Regards,

Geoff Berrow

Rob G said:

Any opinions and if so what is suggested without being unduly
expensive ?

Not powder but I did take powerade 88p for 500ml however I'm a cheap
skate and now supplement water with a Tesco equivalent isotonic drink
that if you purchase four at a time it works out at 44p per 500ml.

David
--
http://www.fenrunfellwalk.co.uk

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:44:15 -0700, Rob G <[email hidden]>

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Saturday saw the two of us collapsing in a rather ungainly heap when
we got back to the car mainly we both suspect because we didn't take
on enough fluid on a rather warm Scottish day, not helped by a lengthy
walk out on an estate road. We both thought we were drinking enough
but clearly we weren't as in a 7 hour day neither of us remember
having a pee, which is as clear a marker as any of lack of fluid
intake.

I was out on Saturday as well, for just over eight hours; consumed
almost a litre of pomegranite, grape and apple juice, much more fluid
than I usually get through, and one pee break.

A few months ago Which magazine reported on the conclusions of a
professor of medicine from Dartmouth College, of the USA Ivy League,
who was commissioned by a US medical journal to find the origins of
the theory you should drink two litres (or eight glasses) of water a
day. After ten months of literature searches, talking to his fellow
doctors and nutritionists he found no source for this theory, nor any
evidence to support it. He noted that much of our fluid consumption
comes from our food and suggested that urine colour was the ideal
indicator of whether or not we were dehydrated. Provided that one's
urine is a pale straw colour, or lighter, one's fluid intake is
adequate. Darker than that and one should drink more.

Quoted message said:

Thinking about it afterwards we did stop at a reasonable number of
burns but the intake was pretty minimal and I now wonder if taking
along some sort of drink powder would help. My thoughts were no so
much the 'ionic' addition but the fact that the presence of a bit of
flavour and sweetness might encourage greater intake.

Any opinions and if so what is suggested without being unduly
expensive ?

I'd be interested in some powdered additive for drinking water. When
in the UK I can purchase flavoured drinks for my days out on the fells
as I know it will encourage me to drink more. I'm really
unenthusiastic about plain water. When I go abroad I need something
for the first day or so, till I can find somewhere to buy something
flavoured. I took a TOG24 Sigg-type bottle of Ribena concentrate on my
last trip abroad and it leaked through the screw top, and through the
knot I'd tied in the otherwise leak-proof plastic bag I'd put it in.
So on arrival I has to wash some clothes I'd not even worn. Some sort
of drink powder might help but the "ionic" ones mentioned above I have
found rather acidic and insipid. Perhaps if I added some sugar it
would add to the body and help balance the acidity.

On my recent trip to Sicily I found some kiwi fruit and melon juice in
a local supermarket. It was very tasty but my companions were
horrified that I appeared to be drinking green slime.

John D.
--
John Dawson at home in Kendal, Cumbria.
Lake District Walks Web Pages http://www.lakedistrictwalks.com/
Kilimanjaro trip at http://www.lakedistrictwalks.com/kilimanjaro/
Sicilian Volcanoes http://www.lakedistrictwalks.com/sicily/

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Quoted message said:

Rob G said:

Any opinions and if so what is suggested without being unduly
expensive ?

Not powder but I did take powerade 88p for 500ml however I'm a cheap
skate and now supplement water with a Tesco equivalent isotonic drink
that if you purchase four at a time it works out at 44p per 500ml.

Its a shame that no-one has yet invented dehydrated water ;-)

Only problem would be that you'd have to carry some water to rehydrate it
with...

Rob G said:

Saturday saw the two of us collapsing in a rather ungainly heap when
we got back to the car mainly we both suspect because we didn't take
on enough fluid on a rather warm Scottish day, not helped by a lengthy
walk out on an estate road. We both thought we were drinking enough
but clearly we weren't as in a 7 hour day neither of us remember
having a pee, which is as clear a marker as any of lack of fluid
intake.

Thinking about it afterwards we did stop at a reasonable number of
burns but the intake was pretty minimal and I now wonder if taking
along some sort of drink powder would help. My thoughts were no so
much the 'ionic' addition but the fact that the presence of a bit of
flavour and sweetness might encourage greater intake.

Any opinions and if so what is suggested without being unduly
expensive ?

Thanks

Rob

I went through at least 2 litres on saturday.

Similarly to yourself I dont ever remember feeling so thirsty during a
walk but dont feel I need to take steps to add supplements etc. Just
take on more water.

I also know I never drank enough when I got up.

You werent on Ben Lui were you?
--
Mike
Some pictures of the Scottish highlands here http://www.prog99.com

Quoted message said:

A few months ago Which magazine reported on the conclusions of a
professor of medicine from Dartmouth College, of the USA Ivy League,
who was commissioned by a US medical journal to find the origins of
the theory you should drink two litres (or eight glasses) of water a
day. After ten months of literature searches, talking to his fellow
doctors and nutritionists he found no source for this theory, nor any
evidence to support it. He noted that much of our fluid consumption
comes from our food and suggested that urine colour was the ideal
indicator of whether or not we were dehydrated. Provided that one's
urine is a pale straw colour, or lighter, one's fluid intake is
adequate. Darker than that and one should drink more.

I have always been told to try and follow the 3C,s when monitoring urine as
an indication for hydration:

C .... constant

C.... copiuos

C.... clear

I regular drink about 2 litres of water a day during the working week; 1
during work and 1 in the gym at lunchtime. When out on the hills, I go
through between 1 to 2 litres of water, depending on the conditions, during
a 4/5 hour walk.

--
Sandy Saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk
'Mountains or Mole Hills, summiting
still brings the same excitement!'

Mike said:

Rob G said:

Saturday saw the two of us collapsing in a rather ungainly heap when
we got back to the car mainly we both suspect because we didn't take
on enough fluid on a rather warm Scottish day, not helped by a lengthy
walk out on an estate road. We both thought we were drinking enough
but clearly we weren't as in a 7 hour day neither of us remember
having a pee, which is as clear a marker as any of lack of fluid
intake.

Thinking about it afterwards we did stop at a reasonable number of
burns but the intake was pretty minimal and I now wonder if taking
along some sort of drink powder would help. My thoughts were no so
much the 'ionic' addition but the fact that the presence of a bit of
flavour and sweetness might encourage greater intake.

Any opinions and if so what is suggested without being unduly
expensive ?

Thanks

Rob

I went through at least 2 litres on saturday.

Similarly to yourself I dont ever remember feeling so thirsty during a
walk but dont feel I need to take steps to add supplements etc. Just
take on more water.

I also know I never drank enough when I got up.

You werent on Ben Lui were you?

We started a section of the Offa's Dyke near Welshpool. While in town
waiting for the bus we were tempted by some excellent bacon baps. Boy
did they increase our water intake. So eat a salty bacon bap before
starting, problem solved.

Rob G said:

Thinking about it afterwards we did stop at a reasonable number of
burns but the intake was pretty minimal and I now wonder if taking
along some sort of drink powder would help. My thoughts were no so
much the 'ionic' addition but the fact that the presence of a bit of
flavour and sweetness might encourage greater intake.

I have exactly this problem - I find I can only drink so much
unflavoured water without feeling nauseous.

There used to be lemon flavoured crystals you added to drink some years
ago called 'Eiffel Tower Crystals' They were ideal, but are now
unobtainable.

A few years back I had a nasty, sickening, griping pain in my abdomen. I
eventually went to the hospital casualty department. After a brief
examination the doctor asked me if I had been working outside in the sun
and not drinking much. I was quite startled to have him see into the
past what I had been doing the previous day - helping lay a patio in the
boiling sun! It was a kidney stone, which after a few days of drinking
lots of water (and taking pain killers) ended up in the bottom of the
toilet bowl. I've still got it somewhere!

Jim Ford

....as well as examining the colour of one's pee, the dry sensation on
the roof of your mouth is an indication that you need a drink.

--
George

Rob G said:

Saturday saw the two of us collapsing in a rather ungainly heap when
we got back to the car mainly we both suspect because we didn't take
on enough fluid on a rather warm Scottish day, not helped by a lengthy
walk out on an estate road. We both thought we were drinking enough
but clearly we weren't as in a 7 hour day neither of us remember
having a pee, which is as clear a marker as any of lack of fluid
intake.

Thinking about it afterwards we did stop at a reasonable number of
burns but the intake was pretty minimal and I now wonder if taking
along some sort of drink powder would help. My thoughts were no so
much the 'ionic' addition but the fact that the presence of a bit of
flavour and sweetness might encourage greater intake.

Any opinions and if so what is suggested without being unduly
expensive ?

Thanks

Rob

I carry two bottles of water on day walks, one in each pocket on the
side of my pack. One bottle is "frozen solid" from being in the fridge
overnight and the other normal temperature. Over the course of the day
the frozen bottle slowly melts and the melted water provides a very
refreshing and cold drink. If all the water is drunk leaving nothing
but a solid piece of ice, I pour water over the ice from the normal
temperature bottle. This generally keeps me with a cold refreshing
drink throughout an 8 hour walk. On a very hot day both bottles can be
frozen as they will melt pretty fast. The wife carries a cool bag in
her pack with two frozen Capri Sun fruit juices. These also provide a
beautiful drink on a hot day when they turn to slushy ice as they
slowly melt.

Rob G said:

Saturday saw the two of us collapsing in a rather ungainly heap when
we got back to the car mainly we both suspect because we didn't take
on enough fluid on a rather warm Scottish day, not helped by a lengthy
walk out on an estate road. We both thought we were drinking enough
but clearly we weren't as in a 7 hour day neither of us remember
having a pee, which is as clear a marker as any of lack of fluid
intake.

Thinking about it afterwards we did stop at a reasonable number of
burns but the intake was pretty minimal and I now wonder if taking
along some sort of drink powder would help. My thoughts were no so
much the 'ionic' addition but the fact that the presence of a bit of
flavour and sweetness might encourage greater intake.

Any opinions and if so what is suggested without being unduly
expensive ?

My companion for Windermere has just bought a 3li camelback - she does
sweat a lot.

--
Peter.
If you can do it today, you didn't put off enough yesterday.

I rarely drink very much when out walking and am always somewhat
dehydrated by the end of the day as I sweat at the drop of a hat. In
winter I might not drink anything at all and it would be a really hot
day before I had as much as a half pint of water. I have on occasion
tried to drink more but it sits like a lead balloon in my stomach so has
directly the opposite effect to that claimed for it. Of course I don't
walk very far so can't really comment on anything remotely strenuous.
:-)

--
Roger Chapman
Nearest Marilyn still to be visited - Great Orme.
89 miles as the crow flies,
considerably more as the walker drives.

In message <[email hidden]>, Woollyzone
<[email hidden]> writes

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Its a shame that no-one has yet invented dehydrated water ;-)

Only problem would be that you'd have to carry some water to rehydrate it
with...

'The Register' reports that some genius has invented a powdered
alcoholic drink:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/06/powdered_alcohol_drink/

"Van Elderen and four classmates at Helicon Vocational Institute brewed
up Booz2Go as part of a final year project. Fellow student Martyn van
Nierop showed his WKD side by announcing one major attraction of the
concoction for the yoof demographic: "Because the alcohol is not in
liquid form, we can sell it to people below 16."

The team says a number of companies are interested in marketing the
product on the grounds that powdered alcohol might be exempt from booze
taxation."

Now if only you could get Laphroaig in sachet form.........

Regards,
--
Neil Pugh

Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the
wonderful person Roger <[email hidden]> said

Quoted message said:

I rarely drink very much when out walking and am always somewhat
dehydrated by the end of the day as I sweat at the drop of a hat. In
winter I might not drink anything at all and it would be a really hot
day before I had as much as a half pint of water. I have on occasion
tried to drink more but it sits like a lead balloon in my stomach so has
directly the opposite effect to that claimed for it. Of course I don't
walk very far so can't really comment on anything remotely strenuous.
:-)

Hm, I was out for 7+ hours Sunday and drank 2*600ml bottles of sugar
free orange squash (which started out fresh from the freezer, which has
the advantage of regulating the rate you can drink at), one 330ml can of
diet coke, one half of lager with added ice, and I ate an ice cream and
a Braeburn apple too - so over 2ltrs fluid input, and I was still 2ltrs
(=2kg) below normal body weight when I finished.

And that was pretty much on the level, down the East side of the Severn.

--
GSV Three Minds in a Can
8,630 Km walked. 1,677Km PROWs surveyed. 30.5% complete.

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from Neil Pugh <[email hidden]> contains these words:

Quoted message said:

'The Register' reports that some genius has invented a powdered
alcoholic drink:

Quoted message said:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/06/powdered_alcohol_drink/

Quoted message said:

"Van Elderen and four classmates at Helicon Vocational Institute brewed
up Booz2Go as part of a final year project. Fellow student Martyn van
Nierop showed his WKD side by announcing one major attraction of the
concoction for the yoof demographic: "Because the alcohol is not in
liquid form, we can sell it to people below 16."

Quoted message said:

The team says a number of companies are interested in marketing the
product on the grounds that powdered alcohol might be exempt from booze
taxation."

I nearly mentioned that but I am more than halfway convinced that the
report is a hoax. Any chemists out there who can say what you have to
turn alcohol into to make it a solid and why such a solid would revert
to alcohol in the presence of water?

ISTR (not having followed up the link) that the alcoholic content is
slight so it could be that it is not dehydrated alcohol but a chemical
process with alcohol as a minor byproduct.

--
Roger Chapman
Nearest Marilyn still to be visited - Great Orme.
89 miles as the crow flies,
considerably more as the walker drives.

Mike said:

Rob G said:

Saturday saw the two of us collapsing in a rather ungainly heap when
we got back to the car mainly we both suspect because we didn't take
on enough fluid on a rather warm Scottish day, not helped by a lengthy
walk out on an estate road. We both thought we were drinking enough
but clearly we weren't as in a 7 hour day neither of us remember
having a pee, which is as clear a marker as any of lack of fluid
intake.

Quoted message said:

Thinking about it afterwards we did stop at a reasonable number of
burns but the intake was pretty minimal and I now wonder if taking
along some sort of drink powder would help. My thoughts were no so
much the 'ionic' addition but the fact that the presence of a bit of
flavour and sweetness might encourage greater intake.

Quoted message said:

Any opinions and if so what is suggested without being unduly
expensive ?

Quoted message said:

Thanks

Quoted message said:

Rob

I went through at least 2 litres on saturday.

Similarly to yourself I dont ever remember feeling so thirsty during a
walk but dont feel I need to take steps to add supplements etc. Just
take on more water.

I also know I never drank enough when I got up.

You werent on Ben Lui were you?
--
Mike
Some pictures of the Scottish highlands herehttp://www.prog99.com

Hi Mike - Beinn Mhanach from the head of Glen Lyon. Ironically not
the normal approach and set off saying this will be a nice quiet day
only to run headlong into the Lowe Mountain Marathon lot and then the
WaterAid supporters. A day which perhaps we should have seen hald a
dozen at the very most and in fact it must have been nearer 300.

Anyway back to water - I reckon in our seven hours we consumed well
over 2 litres but we were both quite seriously dehydrated at the end -
I get a particular type of headache. We both went through a litre
bottle on the hill, a flask of tea on the summit and refilled the
bottles on the way down - and also supped from burns on occasions,
which would suggest that we were nearer 3 litres each. It was the 5
mile walk out that our drinking was not so effective and might have
been improved if the drinking had an interesting flavour to it.

Cheers

rob

Jim Ford said:

Rob G wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Thinking about it afterwards we did stop at a reasonable number of
burns but the intake was pretty minimal and I now wonder if taking
along some sort of drink powder would help. My thoughts were no so
much the 'ionic' addition but the fact that the presence of a bit of
flavour and sweetness might encourage greater intake.

Quoted message said:

I have exactly this problem - I find I can only drink so much
unflavoured water without feeling nauseous.

A flask of hot water and instant soup (or soup in a flask) for lunch works
for me on sweaty days.

Roos

In message <[email hidden]>, Roger
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

I nearly mentioned that but I am more than halfway convinced that the
report is a hoax. Any chemists out there who can say what you have to
turn alcohol into to make it a solid and why such a solid would revert
to alcohol in the presence of water?

ISTR (not having followed up the link) that the alcoholic content is
slight so it could be that it is not dehydrated alcohol but a chemical
process with alcohol as a minor byproduct.

I had my doubts too, from what little I remember of my schoolboy
chemistry it seems unlikely. Googling produced (among other things)
this:

"General Foods patented alcohol powder (dextrin soaked in ethanol) 33
years ago."

I suppose soaking it in some carrier might work.

There are references like:

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0%2C1564%2C1596657%2C00.html

"They look harmless enough, the inconspicuous packets often next to the
cashier at gas stations, convenience stores, beverage stores and bars.
But according to consumer protection officials, that's what makes them
all the more dangerous, since the powder inside contains alcohol, and a
lot of it -- about 4.8 percent by volume. That is the equivalent of one
to one-and-a-half glasses of liquor."

I'll run the idea past my mate Nigel (who has forgotten more chemistry
than I'll ever know) next time I see him.

Regards,
--
Neil Pugh

GSV Three Minds in a Can said:

Hm, I was out for 7+ hours Sunday and drank 2*600ml bottles of sugar
free orange squash (which started out fresh from the freezer, which has
the advantage of regulating the rate you can drink at), one 330ml can of
diet coke,

Any reason why you drink sugar(=energy) free drinks when on a high
energy activity?

It's maybe possible that if you drink a lot of sugar free drinks on a
hot day that you take on a dangerous amount of aspartame. IIRC 2 litres
is a dangerous amount in a day. (Comments, anyone?)

Jim Ford