Drink too much water?

Larry Hodges said:

Kind of flies in the face of "drink all the water you can" doesn't it?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7491948/

Stories on this study are popping up all over the place, which is a good
thing-- this is an important issue, and people need to pay more attention to
it.

NY times also covers the article. This has several quotes from leading
researcher Tim Noakes

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/14/health/14water.html

One of the better quotes (Noakes), which sums it up nicely:

<quote>
"Everyone becomes dehydrated when they race," Dr. Noakes said. "But I have not
found one death in an athlete from dehydration in a competitive race in the
whole history of running. Not one. Not even a case of illness."

On the other hand, he said, he knows of people who have sickened and died from
drinking too much.
</quote>

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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Quoted message said:

Kind of flies in the face of "drink all the water you can" doesn't it?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7491948/

--
-Larry

My current un-explained anemia (for a year now) is suspected (by my doctor)
to be the result of my over consumption of water.
I think he is correct (last time my sodium and chloride levels were low).
I am trying to cut back (got into the habit during my diabetes days).
The up-side: less trips to the head at night ;-)
--
Dr. Dickie
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discoveries,
is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!'😉, but rather 'hmm....that's funny...'"
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Larry Hodges said:

Kind of flies in the face of "drink all the water you can" doesn't it?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7491948/

Ok guys...so how much water is the right amount? I usually weigh myself
before and after my WO, with the intention of weighing the same.

But regarding water consumption throughout the day for non-athletics...how
much? Some say a gallon. I never drink that much. I'd say I drink less
than 1 liter through the day and another during my WO. That's about it.
Well, toss in a pot of coffee...but that doesn't count right? 🙂
--
-Larry

Larry Hodges said:

Larry Hodges said:

Kind of flies in the face of "drink all the water you can" doesn't it?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7491948/

Ok guys...so how much water is the right amount? I usually weigh myself
before and after my WO, with the intention of weighing the same.

But regarding water consumption throughout the day for non-athletics...how
much? Some say a gallon. I never drink that much. I'd say I drink less
than 1 liter through the day and another during my WO. That's about it.
Well, toss in a pot of coffee...but that doesn't count right? 🙂

You should drink when you're thirsty. Trying to drink a pre-determined
amount simply because some theory says you should is plain silly.

The symptoms of thirst are a normal response to dehydration, and the
amount to drink is governed by satiation.

It is very fashionable among the young and fashionable, to carry their
own bottled water around with them wherever they go. That may be due
to dancing and the drug Ecstasy, that causes abnormal dehydration, but
as with any dehydrating activity, your system should tell you when you
have had sufficient to drink!!

Just a little when required is the recommended intake!!

[Unless of course it's beer at the rugby club, when you are honour
bound to drink yourself silly!! ;o)]

Larry Hodges said:

Larry Hodges said:

Kind of flies in the face of "drink all the water you can" doesn't it?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7491948/

Ok guys...so how much water is the right amount? I usually weigh myself
before and after my WO, with the intention of weighing the same.

But regarding water consumption throughout the day for non-athletics...how
much? Some say a gallon. I never drink that much. I'd say I drink less
than 1 liter through the day and another during my WO. That's about it.
Well, toss in a pot of coffee...but that doesn't count right? 🙂

Yeah, of course it counts. 🙂 My weight can go down by as much as
5lbs overnight sometimes, which equates to approximately 5 pints of
water (handy rule of thumb for ya there, about a pound a pint).

I don't know what the normal amounts to drink are, but in general,
just don't force yourself to drink when your body tells you it's full.
If you get nauseous at the thought of drinking more, you are probably
drinking too much. So, try drinking when you're thirsty, or when you
get other signs that you're dehydrated (irritability, urine is
concentrated, etc.) The body is usually pretty good at limiting water
intake, even though back at the time I studied it at least, the
mechanisms weren't all that well understood. People can often tell
they've drank enough even before the water has had a chance to be
absorbed through the gut, so maybe the brain measures gulps?

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Proton Soup

"And all this peace has been deceiving,
I need some wind to get me sailing"

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Kind of flies in the face of "drink all the water you can" doesn't it?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7491948/

Interesting.

Would it be safer to drink salted water, since when you sweat, a significant
component of that sweat is salt?

a440 said:

Interesting.

Would it be safer to drink salted water, since when you sweat, a significant
component of that sweat is salt?

Salt water isn't terribly pleasent to drink, especially if you're thirsty.
Gatorade tries to include some replacement electrolytes, and already tastes
awful (and not that effective). Better to take capsules. This is what
ultramarathoners do anyway.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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Quoted message said:

Larry Hodges said:

Larry Hodges said:

Kind of flies in the face of "drink all the water you can" doesn't
it?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7491948/

Ok guys...so how much water is the right amount? I usually weigh
myself
before and after my WO, with the intention of weighing the same.

But regarding water consumption throughout the day for
non-athletics...how
much? Some say a gallon. I never drink that much. I'd say I drink
less
than 1 liter through the day and another during my WO. That's about
it.
Well, toss in a pot of coffee...but that doesn't count right? 🙂

You should drink when you're thirsty. Trying to drink a pre-determined
amount simply because some theory says you should is plain silly.

No, not for endurance exercise in the heat. If you wait until you're
thirsty, it's often too late and performance suffers. The guideline of
8 oz. every 15-20 minutes while exercising in the heat is a sound one.

Someone on another list posted something about this earlier. Apparently
the idiots who had problems were the same people who gained between 4
and 11 pounds while running the Boston Marathon - c'mon, that's
absolutely ridiculous, and anyone with an ounce of common sense in their
heads will try to drink to maintain body weight, not to increase it 10
lbs. over the space of a few hours.

The recommendation to drink a gallon of water a day is a fine one. When
exercising in the heat and sweating alot, one just has to be careful to
replace what you lose, which includes salt.

Gained 11 lbs. while running a marathon - unbelievable. It's like
anything else - blindly following someone else's advice without learning
to listen to your own body is a formula for injury or worse.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

Quoted message said:

The symptoms of thirst are a normal response to dehydration, and the
amount to drink is governed by satiation.

It is very fashionable among the young and fashionable, to carry their
own bottled water around with them wherever they go. That may be due
to dancing and the drug Ecstasy, that causes abnormal dehydration, but
as with any dehydrating activity, your system should tell you when you
have had sufficient to drink!!

Just a little when required is the recommended intake!!

[Unless of course it's beer at the rugby club, when you are honour
bound to drink yourself silly!! ;o)]

Steve Freides said:

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Larry Hodges said:

Larry Hodges wrote:
> Kind of flies in the face of "drink all the water you can" doesn't
> it?
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7491948/

Ok guys...so how much water is the right amount? I usually weigh
myself
before and after my WO, with the intention of weighing the same.

But regarding water consumption throughout the day for
non-athletics...how
much? Some say a gallon. I never drink that much. I'd say I drink
less
than 1 liter through the day and another during my WO. That's about
it.
Well, toss in a pot of coffee...but that doesn't count right? 🙂

You should drink when you're thirsty. Trying to drink a pre-determined
amount simply because some theory says you should is plain silly.

No, not for endurance exercise in the heat. If you wait until you're
thirsty, it's often too late and performance suffers. The guideline of
8 oz. every 15-20 minutes while exercising in the heat is a sound one.

No-one was actually discussing those that require to replenish lost
fluids due to physical exertion.

Larry said:

"But regarding water consumption throughout the day for
non-athletics...how much?"

However, it is perhaps appropriate to introduce to the thread those
exceptions to basic guidelines.

Those people who participate in "endurance events" will take in the
required amounts to replace fluids lost, as part of their training
plan, but too much fluid intake is as bad for them as too little,
which largely agrees with what I said - that we should only drink the
amount that we need - and we don't all need the same amount!!

Quoted message said:

Someone on another list posted something about this earlier. Apparently
the idiots who had problems were the same people who gained between 4
and 11 pounds while running the Boston Marathon - c'mon, that's
absolutely ridiculous, and anyone with an ounce of common sense in their
heads will try to drink to maintain body weight, not to increase it 10
lbs. over the space of a few hours.

We are not party to that which is discussed in other forums so I can't
possibly pass comment. However, I'm happy to take your word for it
Steve!! ;o)

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The recommendation to drink a gallon of water a day is a fine one. When
exercising in the heat and sweating alot, one just has to be careful to
replace what you lose, which includes salt.

It is poor advice to suggest a set amount to drink for everyone,
regardless of size, weight, age, physical activity, medical
conditions, fitness, environmental temperature, food intake,
medication et al!

Thirst is nature's way of governing intake under 'normal'
circumstances.

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Gained 11 lbs. while running a marathon - unbelievable. It's like
anything else - blindly following someone else's advice without learning
to listen to your own body is a formula for injury or worse.

Which is the basics of taking in only what is required!!

Have a great weekend Steve - you know I will!! ;o)

TFIF!!

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a440 said:

Interesting.

Would it be safer to drink salted water, since when you sweat, a
significant
component of that sweat is salt?

Salt water isn't terribly pleasent to drink, especially if you're thirsty.
Gatorade tries to include some replacement electrolytes, and already
tastes
awful (and not that effective).

Gatorade tastes awful to you? If I had only drink one thing for the rest of
my life, it would be Gatorade.

Tha Woyah said:

"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote

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a440 said:

Interesting.

Would it be safer to drink salted water, since when you sweat, a
significant
component of that sweat is salt?

Salt water isn't terribly pleasent to drink, especially if you're

thirsty.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Gatorade tries to include some replacement electrolytes, and

already

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

tastes
awful (and not that effective).

Gatorade tastes awful to you? If I had only drink one thing for the

rest of

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my life, it would be Gatorade.

Hmmm...I think I would choose Jack Daniels.

David

"David Cohen" wrote

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Tha Woyah said:

"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote

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On 2005-04-14, a440 <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Interesting.
>
> Would it be safer to drink salted water, since when you sweat, a
> significant
> component of that sweat is salt?

Salt water isn't terribly pleasent to drink, especially if you're

thirsty.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Gatorade tries to include some replacement electrolytes, and

already

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

tastes
awful (and not that effective).

Gatorade tastes awful to you? If I had only drink one thing for the

rest of

Quoted message said:

my life, it would be Gatorade.

Hmmm...I think I would choose Jack Daniels.

For medical purposes?

Larry Hodges said:

Larry Hodges said:

Kind of flies in the face of "drink all the water you can" doesn't it?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7491948/

Ok guys...so how much water is the right amount? I usually weigh myself
before and after my WO, with the intention of weighing the same.

But regarding water consumption throughout the day for non-athletics...how
much? Some say a gallon. I never drink that much. I'd say I drink less
than 1 liter through the day and another during my WO. That's about it.
Well, toss in a pot of coffee...but that doesn't count right? 🙂

The Hydroxycut has several calculators online at this site:

http://www.hydroxycut.com/MEN/CALCULATORS/

Specifically, they have a daily water intake calculator:

http://www.hydroxycut.com/MEN/CALCULATORS/WATER/index.shtml

which bases your water intake on body weight & activity.

Larry Hodges said:

Ok guys...so how much water is the right amount? I usually weigh myself
before and after my WO, with the intention of weighing the same.

For most people, it doesn't matter. For a race that's shorter than 90
minutes, I usually don't take any water. For an easy 2hr training run in
warm weather, I take a small amount of water (a few mouthfulls every 6
miles). For a 2hr training run in cool weather, nothing.

The only time you need a lot of water is if you're exercising in very hot
conditions, or if you're performing hard exercise for a long time (which
should be quite rare for nearly all athletes, possible exception of cyclists)

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But regarding water consumption throughout the day for non-athletics...how
much? Some say a gallon. I never drink that much. I'd say I drink less

Doesn't matter a whole lot, because under normal conditions, you'll pee out
the excess.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

Lee Michaels said:

"David Cohen" wrote

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Tha Woyah said:

"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote
> On 2005-04-14, a440 <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> Interesting.
>>
>> Would it be safer to drink salted water, since when you sweat,

a

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>> significant
>> component of that sweat is salt?
>
> Salt water isn't terribly pleasent to drink, especially if

you're

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thirsty.

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> Gatorade tries to include some replacement electrolytes, and

already

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> tastes
> awful (and not that effective).

Gatorade tastes awful to you? If I had only drink one thing for

the

Quoted message said:

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rest of

Quoted message said:

my life, it would be Gatorade.

Hmmm...I think I would choose Jack Daniels.

For medical purposes?

That, too.

David

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Cohen said:

Tha Woyah said:

"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

On 2005-04-14, a440 <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Interesting.
>
> Would it be safer to drink salted water, since when you sweat, a
> significant
> component of that sweat is salt?

Salt water isn't terribly pleasent to drink, especially if you're

thirsty.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Gatorade tries to include some replacement electrolytes, and

already

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

tastes
awful (and not that effective).

Gatorade tastes awful to you? If I had only drink one thing for the

rest of

Quoted message said:

my life, it would be Gatorade.

Hmmm...I think I would choose Jack Daniels.

David

Cuervo gold......
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

On 15 Apr 2005 06:03:38 -0700, "David Cohen" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Lee Michaels said:

"David Cohen" wrote

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Tha Woyah wrote:
> "Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > On 2005-04-14, a440 <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> Interesting.
> >>
> >> Would it be safer to drink salted water, since when you sweat,

a

Quoted message said:

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> >> significant
> >> component of that sweat is salt?
> >
> > Salt water isn't terribly pleasent to drink, especially if

you're

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thirsty.
> > Gatorade tries to include some replacement electrolytes, and
already
> > tastes
> > awful (and not that effective).
>
> Gatorade tastes awful to you? If I had only drink one thing for

the

Quoted message said:

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rest of
> my life, it would be Gatorade.

Hmmm...I think I would choose Jack Daniels.

For medical purposes?

That, too.

I suppose that he actually meant "medicinal" purposes, unless they've
started using it for enemas!! ;o)

Have a great weekend David - you can rest assured that I will!! ;o)

TFIF!!

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Cohen said:

Tha Woyah said:

"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote
> On 2005-04-14, a440 <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> Interesting.
>>
>> Would it be safer to drink salted water, since when you sweat, a
>> significant
>> component of that sweat is salt?
>
> Salt water isn't terribly pleasent to drink, especially if you're

thirsty.

Quoted message said:

> Gatorade tries to include some replacement electrolytes, and

already

Quoted message said:

> tastes
> awful (and not that effective).

Gatorade tastes awful to you? If I had only drink one thing for the

rest of

Quoted message said:

my life, it would be Gatorade.

Hmmm...I think I would choose Jack Daniels.

David

Cuervo gold......

I actually much prefer Scotch whisky, both blended and malt, but I won
a bottle of Jim Beam in the Rotary Club tombola a few weeks ago, and
find the odd glass of that quite pleasant and something of a change.

Have a great weekend Om - you know I will!! ;o)

TFIF!

Donovan Rebbechi said:

Larry Hodges said:

Ok guys...so how much water is the right amount? I usually weigh myself
before and after my WO, with the intention of weighing the same.

For most people, it doesn't matter. For a race that's shorter than 90
minutes, I usually don't take any water. For an easy 2hr training run in
warm weather, I take a small amount of water (a few mouthfulls every 6
miles). For a 2hr training run in cool weather, nothing.

The only time you need a lot of water is if you're exercising in very hot
conditions, or if you're performing hard exercise for a long time (which
should be quite rare for nearly all athletes, possible exception of cyclists)

Quoted message said:

But regarding water consumption throughout the day for non-athletics...how
much? Some say a gallon. I never drink that much. I'd say I drink less

Doesn't matter a whole lot, because under normal conditions, you'll pee out
the excess.

I think it does matter Donovan, because people are drinking huge
amounts of water over and above what they take in with their food and
other beverages.

There is a potentially fatal outcome as the result of hyponatremia!!

Have a great weekend Donovan - I always do!! ;o)

TFIF!!