drink coffee?

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<"A major study involving more than 14,000 people in
Finland, which has the highest rate of coffee consumption
in the world, has revealed that those who drink most have
the lowest incidence of adult-onset or type 2 diabetes.

When people drank three to four cups of coffee a day,
their risk of developing diabetes fell by 29 per cent
for women and 27 per cent for men.

“Coffeeholics” who drank very large amounts of coffee —
ten or more cups a day — were even less likely to suffer
from the disease: such high consumption reduced the risk
by 79 per cent for women and 55 per cent for men. ">

bill t1 since '57

Of boy! Yet another useless study!

Unfortunately Finland also has the highest type 1 ratio.
Don't know if coffee has anything to do with it.

I don't know how they established correlation between coffee
drinking and diabetes. If it's just statistically here's a
couple more statictics:

"Finland has the largest reindeer population per Type 1
diabetics. It is therefore probable that proximity to
reindeers increases one's chances to get Type 1."

"Finland has the largest wooden outdoor toilets per Type 1
diabetics. It is therefore probable that [censored] or
pissing at an outdoor toilets increases one's chances to
get Type 1."

"Finland has the most decrepit old soviet Lada cars per Type
1 diabetics. It is therefore probable that driving around in
a cranky, rusty Lada increases one's chances to get Type 1."

"Finland has the most useless studies in diabetes per Type 1
diabetics. It is therefore probable that shelling taxpayer
money to self-serving, non-important studies actually
increases one's chances to get Type 1."

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<"A major study involving more than 14,000 people in
Finland, which has the highest rate of coffee consumption
in the world, has revealed that those who drink most have
the lowest incidence of adult-onset or type 2 diabetes.

When people drank three to four cups of coffee a day,
their risk of developing diabetes fell by 29 per cent
for women and 27 per cent for men.

“Coffeeholics” who drank very large amounts of coffee —
ten or more cups a day — were even less likely to
suffer from the disease: such high consumption reduced
the risk by 79 per cent for women and 55 per cent for
men. ">

Well, that's not the case for me! I used to drink coffe like
mad before diabetes. Now I rarely drink it. For me, coffee
and smoking go hand in hand. Gave up the smoking, and gave
up the coffee too.

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willbill said:

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<"A major study involving more than 14,000 people in
Finland, which has the highest rate of coffee consumption
in the world, has revealed that those who drink most have
the lowest incidence of adult-onset or type 2 diabetes.

When people drank three to four cups of coffee a day,
their risk of developing diabetes fell by 29 per cent
for women and 27 per cent for men.

“Coffeeholics” who drank very large amounts of coffee —
ten or more cups a day — were even less likely to
suffer from the disease: such high consumption reduced
the risk by 79 per cent for women and 55 per cent for
men. ">

What's the high blood pressure/heart disease rate?

Maggie [who loves her coffee!]

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music and cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

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<"A major study involving more than 14,000 people in
Finland, which has the highest rate of coffee consumption
in the world, has revealed that those who drink most have
the lowest incidence of adult-onset or type 2 diabetes.

The people I know who drink a lot of coffee, don't eat so
much, i.e. when most of us are having a snack they are
having just coffee, and they commonly have nothing but 2-3
cups of coffee instead of breakfast. I have noticed my
coffee drinking friends aren't overweight either.
Coincidence?

I don't cuss but, why in the hell did I get T2? I love my real coffee.
Besides chocolate, coffee is next in line for blood transfusion for me. Hee
hee
Could it be by chance that both of my parents were T2? Another study gone
down the drain.
Ira
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willbill said:

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<"A major study involving more than 14,000 people in
Finland, which has the highest rate of coffee consumption
in the world, has revealed that those who drink most have
the lowest incidence of adult-onset or type 2 diabetes.

When people drank three to four cups of coffee a day,
their risk of developing diabetes fell by 29 per cent
for women and 27 per cent for men.

"Coffeeholics" who drank very large amounts of coffee
- ten or more cups a day - were even less likely to
suffer from the disease: such high consumption
reduced the risk by 79 per cent for women and 55 per
cent for men. ">

bill t1 since '57

Of boy! Yet another useless study!

Unfortunately Finland also has the highest type 1 ratio.
Don't know if

coffee has

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anything to do with it.

I don't know how they established correlation between
coffee drinking and diabetes. If it's just statistically
here's a couple more statictics:

"Finland has the largest reindeer population per Type 1
diabetics. It is therefore probable that proximity to
reindeers increases one's chances to

get

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Type 1."

"Finland has the largest wooden outdoor toilets per Type 1
diabetics. It

is

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therefore probable that [censored] or pissing at an
outdoor toilets

increases one's

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chances to get Type 1."

"Finland has the most decrepit old soviet Lada cars per
Type 1 diabetics.

It is

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therefore probable that driving around in a cranky, rusty
Lada increases

one's

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chances to get Type 1."

"Finland has the most useless studies in diabetes per Type
1 diabetics. It

is

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therefore probable that shelling taxpayer money to self-
serving,

non-important

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studies actually increases one's chances to get Type 1."

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<"A major study involving more than 14,000 people in
Finland, which has the highest rate of coffee
consumption in the world, has revealed that those who
drink most have the lowest incidence of adult-onset or
type 2 diabetes. ...">

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Of boy! Yet another useless study!

Unfortunately Finland also has the highest type 1 ratio.
Don't know if coffee has anything to do with it.

<snip remaining nonsense on t1-coffee "relationship">

you clearly need to improve your reading skills

and maybe also your general knowledge about diabetes?

the study only mentioned type-2 and not type-1

even though i'm a type-1 (since i was a kid, and well before
i started my love affair with coffee), i posted the cite
because i suspect it will likely be of interest to some of
the intelligent type-2s

bill t1 since '57

123 said:

"Finland has the largest wooden outdoor toilets per Type 1
diabetics. It is therefore probable that [censored] or
pissing at an outdoor toilets increases one's chances to
get Type 1."

Didn't you know? Type 1 is contagious and you catch it off
of toilet seats.

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<"A major study involving more than 14,000 people in
Finland, which has the highest rate of coffee
consumption in the world, has revealed that those who
drink most have the lowest incidence of adult-onset or
type 2 diabetes.

When people drank three to four cups of coffee a day,
their risk of developing diabetes fell by 29 per cent
for women and 27 per cent for men.

“Coffeeholics” who drank very large amounts of coffee
— ten or more cups a day — were even less likely to
suffer from the disease: such high consumption
reduced the risk by 79 per cent for women and 55 per
cent for men. ">

Well, that's not the case for me! I used to drink coffe
like mad before diabetes. Now I rarely drink it. For me,
coffee and smoking go hand in hand. Gave up the smoking,
and gave up the coffee too.

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To steal a line from Mark Twain: Your problem, Ma'am, is
that you've been neglecting your vices.

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The people I know who drink a lot of coffee, don't eat so
much, i.e. when most of us are having a snack they are
having just coffee, and they commonly have nothing but 2-3
cups of coffee instead of breakfast. I have noticed my
coffee drinking friends aren't overweight either.
Coincidence?

Are they taking their coffee black? Or putting lots of stuff
in it? One of my friends used to rarely eat, but she drank a
lot of coffee. She never drank it black though. She put a
ton of sugar and cream in it. She also drank a lot of beer.
The regular kind, not the light stuff. I think because of
this, she was feeling filled up and didn't think she needed
to eat. When she did eat, it was mostly sweets like cookies
or pudding. After having to get dentures from too many
rotted teeth, and being hospitalized more than once from
caffeine overdose, she finally amended her ways. I haven't
seen her for a few years because I no longer live in that
area, but mutual friends have seen her and they say she
looks a lot better now that she's eating more normally. She
used to look like a skeleton. Not healthy at all.

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In alt.support.diabetes willbill <[email hidden]> wrote:

: 123 wrote:

: > willbill wrote:

: >> www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8122-1032868,00.html
: >>
: >><"A major study involving more than 14,000 people in
: >>Finland, which has the highest rate of coffee
: >>consumption in the world, has revealed that those who
: >>drink most have the lowest incidence of adult-onset or
: >>type 2 diabetes. ...">
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

: > Of boy! Yet another useless study!
: >
: > Unfortunately Finland also has the highest type 1 ratio.
: > Don't know if coffee has anything to do with it.

: <snip remaining nonsense on t1-coffee "relationship">

: you clearly need to improve your reading skills

: and maybe also your general knowledge about diabetes?

: the study only mentioned type-2 and not type-1

: even though i'm a type-1 (since i was a kid, and well
: before i started my love affair with coffee), i posted the
: cite because i suspect it will likely be of interest to
: some of the intelligent type-2s

: bill t1 since '57

All I can say, as a type 2, is that I was a very heavy
coffee drinker before my diagnoses. I only had to cut back
after I got a small ulcer after my diagnosis and caffine was
one of the things I stopped using an dhave scontinued to not
use since. Currently I use caffine kind of like an
occasional drius if i have to be very unsleepy, like long
auto rips.

Wendy

Wed said:

Julie Bove wrote:

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Well, that's not the case for me! I used to drink coffe
like mad before diabetes. Now I rarely drink it. For me,
coffee and smoking go hand in hand. Gave up the smoking,
and gave up the coffee too.

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>Type 2 >>users.bestweb.net~jboveOpen ↗

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To steal a line from Mark Twain:

Your problem, Ma'am, is that you've been neglecting
your vices.

another quote:

<"Coffee... Black as hell, strong as death, sweet as love.">

Turkish proverb

bill

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<"A major study involving more than 14,000 people in
Finland, which has the highest rate of coffee consumption
in the world, has revealed that those who drink most have
the lowest incidence of adult-onset or type 2 diabetes.

Dumb and useless study.

It's possible the Finnish do something *else* right.
Virtually every other country than America gets more
exercise. Fast-food may not be as prevalent in Finland.

But whatever else they do right I'm sure coffee has nothing
to do with
it.

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It's possible the Finnish do something *else* right.
Virtually every other country than America gets more
exercise. Fast-food may not be as prevalent in Finland.

But whatever else they do right I'm sure coffee has
nothing to do with
it.

I saw a show about Finnish people some years back on PBS.
Things might have changed since then, but they were a very
somber people. Rarely laughed or smiled.

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Any person who is able to drink 10 cups of coffee
without getting terminally wired has a very low level of
cortisol hormones.

Diabetes correlates with higher levels of cortisol hormones.

So this is like saying that "eating caviar makes you rich"
rather than "eating caviar is a characteristic of people who
are rich."

People who can slug down 10 cups of coffee probably aren't
going to get diabetes, but if you are going to get diabetes
and you try to drink 10 cups of coffee you are going to feel
so lousy that you probably won't do it again.

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Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my
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timesonline.co.uk0,,8122Open ↗
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<"A major study involving more than 14,000 people in
Finland, which has the highest rate of coffee
consumption in the world, has revealed that those who
drink most have the lowest incidence of adult-onset or
type 2 diabetes.

Dumb and useless study.

It's possible the Finnish do something *else* right.
Virtually every other country than America gets more
exercise. Fast-food may not be as prevalent in Finland.

But whatever else they do right I'm sure coffee has
nothing to do with
it.

Ira Jamison said:

I don't cuss but, why in the hell did I get T2? I love my
real coffee. Besides chocolate, coffee is next in line for
blood transfusion for me. Hee hee Could it be by chance
that both of my parents were T2? Another study gone down
the drain.

most of the type 2's I've met slowed down and got it.
IUsually desk jobs and obesity.

We used to live in an agricultural society where people
worked msot of the day and ate high fat diets to carry them
thru as the fat wore or released calories slowly into their
sysems during the day. I'll bet now people work inside and
eat more but do less physially, they get
t2.

Ira Jamison said:

I don't cuss but, why in the hell did I get T2? I love my
real coffee. Besides chocolate, coffee is next in line for
blood transfusion for me. Hee hee Could it be by chance
that both of my parents were T2? Another study gone down
the drain.

most of the type 2's I've met slowed down and got it.
IUsually desk jobs and obesity.

We used to live in an agricultural society where people
worked msot of the day and ate high fat diets to carry them
thru as the fat wore or released calories slowly into their
sysems during the day. I'll bet now people work inside and
eat more but do less physially, they get
t2.