Dream commuter

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 01:30:00 GMT, flyingdutch <[email hidden]> Wrote :

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Any improvements, people???

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How are you going to manage the shifter for the Rohloff ? AFAIK you can't get the shifter onto road
bars or have Rohloff started making a shifter for drop bars ?

Perhaps you could ditch the frame and wheels and get a Moulton frame and a good 20" wheel set. Ditch
the disc brake idea and go for hydraulic rim brakes, Magura should be good...:-)

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Humbug

Here's some pics of the bike your talking about flyingdutch. Try http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=30639&page=11&pp=25, a bike courier in Finland uses one with cowhorn handlebars, very nice!

I'm no bike mechanic but is it possible to use a Rohloff hub on the single speed frame? Its just that most ss frames (il Pompino) don't have the braze-ons on the downtube or chainstay to run cabling to the rear.

Also the chainstay seems to be very short and not really suited to carrying panniers. Depending on the pannier size your heel may hit the pannier bag as you cycle. This picture
http://www.on-one.co.uk/graphics/main_f/audaxbike.jpg on "on-one's" website illustrates what I mean (the pannier rack is very close to the frame) but you could always use a rack top bag like the one pictured.

Another gripe ( :o ) would be the steep road bike head angle of 73 degrees. A more relaxed angle would be better as you would have a longer wheelbase that would give a more stable ride (especially if the bike is loaded with panniers).

Maybe an alternative would be the Trek 7400 http://www.trekbikes.com.au/catalogue.cgi?rm=product&product_id=26&subcategory_id=3. It uses a shimano hub, has rack and fender braze-ons and a chromoly fork. Its listed at $1099au, about the cost of an Il Pompino frame. You could upgrade it to a Rohloff hub and drop handlebars too.

Here's some pics of the bike your talking about flyingdutch. Try http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=30639&page=11&pp=25, a bike courier in Finland uses one with cowhorn handlebars, very nice!

I'm no bike mechanic but is it possible to use a Rohloff hub on the single speed frame? Its just that most ss frames (il Pompino) don't have the braze-ons on the downtube or chainstay to run cabling to the rear.

Also the chainstay seems to be very short and not really suited to carrying panniers. Depending on the pannier size your heel may hit the pannier bag as you cycle. This picture
http://www.on-one.co.uk/graphics/main_f/audaxbike.jpg on "on-one's" website illustrates what I mean (the pannier rack is very close to the frame) but you could always use a rack top bag like the one pictured.

Another gripe ( :o ) would be the steep road bike head angle of 73 degrees. A more relaxed angle would be better as you would have a longer wheelbase that would give a more stable ride (especially if the bike is loaded with panniers).

Maybe an alternative would be the Trek 7400 http://www.trekbikes.com.au/catalogue.cgi?rm=product&product_id=26&subcategory_id=3. It uses a shimano hub, has rack and fender braze-ons and a chromoly fork. Its listed at $1099au, slightly more than an Il Pompino frame. You could upgrade it to a Rohloff hub and drop handlebars too.

Australian Cyclist magazine reviews the Trek 7400 here http://www.australiancyclist.com.au/showarticle.php?s=4&a=213

Sorry for the double posting.

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il Pompino single speed

good

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700c wheels

good

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Drop bars preferably

good

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Ergo hoods/brakelevers hubgear-shifter on right 'top'

kay

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Rohloff 14spd hubgear (my commute is just too hilly for true

singlespeed

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under weight to be doing 10 times a week)

arrrgh! Evil, evil man! Remove those gears! Where are these hills in Melbourne man? You should be
able to grind up most stuff! :-) Explain yourself! ;-)

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rear chain tensioner (due to running disks)

Run disc on front and rim brakes rear?

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disc mini's front and back (Vee at back if necessary)

Oh, you covered that option already :-)

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Brooks Pro leather saddle (should only take a year to 'break' in)

I have a Brooks saddle for sale...

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rear rack pannier setup

Tried panniers, I'm back using a backpack now. Depends on load I guess, but I have carried a LOT in
my backpack.

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guards for winter (to avoid the badger's ar5e look!)

Every winter I tell myself I will fit mudguards and every winter I manage to totally avoid doing it.
The worse I look, the more "hardcore" people will think I am (or stupid) :-)

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Any improvements, people???

Custom paint, cycle computer (look at when bored, etc) SPD pedals/shoes - nice to walk in, good for
commuting, custom-built lighting system with retina-frying power levels, lock (if you need it), deep
dish rims (coz they look cool)..

My commuter is my GT Talera MTB SS (32:15) with SPD/flat combo pedals, canti front, vee rear brakes,
no options - just frame, steering bits, wheels, brakes, seating, driveline. Simple as I could get it
without going brakeless fixed-gear :-) Oh, I lied: bidon cage and lights too.

I've always pictured commuting on an On-One Inbred but the il Pompino is giving the roadie and SS'er
in me dual lust.

hippy

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il Pompino single speed

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YES, THE INBRED HAD ME TEMPTED. SEEN A DUDE IN FITZROY ON ONE WIT A ROHLOFF. LUST......

26" wheels being supposedly stronger, not to mentioN parts are just cheaper!

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Drop bars preferably

good

Or perhaps those 'stoker' style ones alot of couriers use...

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Ergo hoods/brakelevers hubgear-shifter on right 'top'

kay

arrrgh! Evil, evil man! Remove those gears! Where are these hills in Melbourne man? You should be
able to grind up most stuff! :-) Explain yourself! ;-)

Yes, I can grind up anything (hey, the alpine classic in 9:18 aint too bad, is it?) but i dont wanna grind. It just wears you down after the third or fourth day and theres a cool little bit of singletrack going up next to the stairs near the chandler Hwy bridge up to the kew boulevard

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Brooks Pro leather saddle (should only take a year to 'break' in)

I have a Brooks saddle for sale...

YEAH? TELL ME MORE...

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rear rack pannier setup

Tried panniers, I'm back using a backpack now. Depends on load I guess, but I have carried a LOT in my backpack.

Tried the backpack and occasionally i do use one but occasionally I do carry too much (altho the weight weenie in me watches how heavy everything is..). Too much neck/shoulder trouble from years of graphic design/slouching

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guards for winter (to avoid the badger's ar5e look!)

Every winter I tell myself I will fit mudguards and every winter I manage to totally avoid doing it.
The worse I look, the more "hardcore" people will think I am (or stupid) :-)

Yeah, the hardcore frat seems to be getting stronger (as does SS!) but day after day just wears you down. plus it means you dont spray the dude suckin your wheel (not that they would dare, of course!)

Custom paint,
AYE - HADNT THOUGHT OF THAT...

cycle computer
DONE (even occasionally put on the HRM to check if i do ride too fast. fat-burning and all..)

etc) SPD pedals/shoes - nice to walk in, good for
commuting,
DONE. dual sided (platform and spds) but gee those eggbeaters look nice!

custom-built lighting system with retina-frying power levels,
DONE!
lock (if you need it)
DONE
, deep dish rims (coz they look cool)..
HMMMMM, JUST TOO HARSH A RIDE

My commuter is my GT Talera MTB SS (32:15) with SPD/flat combo pedals, canti front, vee rear brakes,
no options - just frame, steering bits, wheels, brakes, seating, driveline. Simple as I could get it
without going brakeless fixed-gear :-) Oh, I lied: bidon cage and lights too.

I've always pictured commuting on an On-One Inbred but the il Pompino is giving the roadie and SS'er
in me dual lust.

hippy [/B]

OOOH, OOOH. JUST SPOTTED THE KONA 'UNIT'

good setup, nice sizing, good room for panniers, interesting post-frame disc adaptors at back, cool subdued grey colour, light
$1500Oz tho !!!!!!!!!!
(saw one at SHM in city today lunchtime)

"I'm no bike mechanic but is it possible to use a Rohloff hub on the single speed frame? Its just that most ss frames (il Pompino) don't have the braze-ons on the downtube or chainstay to run cabling to the rear."
Yes, and Yes! just use a bit o'tape or those strip-clip doobies

As for panniers, there is a full audax rig at their site which seems fine and uses bilkier bags than mine

I did look at the 7400 but the shimano hub, even the newer 8spd hugear weighs a tonne and I really want drops which would make the 7400 just too long/weird

sORRY hIPPY. MIXED ALOT OF MY REPLY TO YOU IN YOUR QUOTE WINDOW!!!

Where do you commute to/from?

Im North Balwyn (near the tram terminus, Doncaster Rd) to city

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Originally posted by Humbug
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 01:30:00 GMT, flyingdutch <[email hidden]> Wrote :

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Any improvements, people???

Sooner or later you're going to need lights. Talk to your LBS about peterwhitecycles.comSchmidtOpen ↗
Lumotec.asp

How are you going to manage the shifter for the Rohloff ? AFAIK you can't get the shifter onto road
bars or have Rohloff started making a shifter for drop bars ?

Perhaps you could ditch the frame and wheels and get a Moulton frame and a good 20" wheel set. Ditch
the disc brake idea and go for hydraulic rim brakes, Magura should be good...:-)

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Humbug

Lights covered (geesh, i ride every day of the year humbugger 😄 )

Moulton? God 20" wheel set. OK, people. We are entering truly strange places now. Would love to have one but not to commute on everyday...

The whole reason i want discs is to stop wearing out rims with rimbrakes and rimbrakes just need too much constant adjustment

Yes, the shifter on roadbars may present an issue, perhaps I should just go SS. Make me 'hardcore' or just give me Shane Kelly legs...

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sORRY hIPPY. MIXED ALOT OF MY REPLY TO YOU IN YOUR QUOTE WINDOW!!!

I'll work it out :-) I use a newsreader most of the time so don't have that problem (instead I have
Outlook's dodgy carriage return issues!)

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Where do you commute to/from?

Croydon <-> Hawthorn

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Im North Balwyn (near the tram terminus, Doncaster Rd) to city

I know where you mean, but I don't really know the roads.

hippy

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Where do you commute to/from?

Croydon <-> Hawthorn

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Im North Balwyn (near the tram terminus, Doncaster Rd) to city

I know where you mean, but I don't really know the roads.

hippy [/B][/QUOTE]

just a few nasty hills between kew and North Balwyn

fine most of the time but if i have cold or just tired and on the thursday/friday it wears you down some days...

which way do you ride in?

I see groups heading out east past my place and mean to jump on but Im never on a bike when I spot them!

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il Pompino single speed

good YES, THE INBRED HAD ME TEMPTED. SEEN A DUDE IN FITZROY ON ONE

WIT A

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ROHLOFF. LUST......

The thing stopping me getting an Inbred (apart from the obvious money issue) is that sooo many
people have them now! il Pompino is much rarer and, like I said, suits the roadie in me.

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26" wheels being supposedly stronger, not to mentioN parts are just cheaper!

Meh, either/or. I've got parts for both.

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Or perhaps those 'stoker' style ones alot of couriers use...

Yeah, that il pompino link someone posted from Europe earlier looked nice.. time trial levers :-)

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Yes, I can grind up anything (hey, the alpine classic in 9:18 aint

too

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bad, is it?) but i dont wanna grind. It just wears you down after

the

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third or fourth day and theres a cool little bit of singletrack

going up

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next to the stairs near the chandler Hwy bridge up to the kew

boulevard

Set it up with smaller gearing and spin your way over the hills and through the bush...

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I have a Brooks saddle for sale... YEAH? TELL ME MORE...

Well, it's a Brooks saddle and I don't want it :-) It came with my track bike. I don't know what
model it is, but I can find out. I don't know what I should be asking for it but I can find that out
too. Know anything about them?

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Every winter I tell myself I will fit mudguards and every winter I manage to totally avoid
doing it. The worse I look, the more

"hardcore"

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people will think I am (or stupid) :-) Yeah, the hardcore frat seems to be getting stronger
(as does SS!)

but

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day after day just wears you down. plus it means you dont spray

the dude

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suckin your wheel (not that they would dare, of course!)

Pfft.. as if anyone can keep up with me! (hippy laughs hysterically at this..)

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Custom paint, AYE - HADNT THOUGHT OF THAT...

Well it just so happens that my plan to avoid the "oh another OnOne Inbred" problem was to get the
frame and have it custom painted to make it <drum roll> different! :-)

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(if you need it) DONE , deep dish rims (coz they look cool)..

HMMMMM,

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JUST TOO HARSH A RIDE

Come on man... repeat after me.. "HARDCORE!", "HARDCORE!" ;-)

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OOOH, OOOH. JUST SPOTTED THE KONA 'UNIT' good setup, nice sizing, good room for panniers,
interesting

post-frame

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disc adaptors at back, cool subdued grey colour, light $1500Oz tho
!!!!!!!!!! (saw one at SHM in city today lunchtime)

Must be the '04 model. I actually asked the importers about the Kona "Explosif" frame, which uses
the same disc-compatible, sliding dropout arrangement as the '04 Unit ('03 Unit is normal horizontal
dropouts) but is a much better frame (apparently) and they don't bring them in to Oz! NOOOOOOOO!!!!
Do some research on the Unit before you buy. Check out www.mtbr.com and go to the TechTalks forum
pages where you'll find a great SS forum. Search it for Unit. I can't remember what it was but I
don't like them any more. Explosif would be great though (www.konaworld.com).

hippy

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just a few nasty hills between kew and North Balwyn

Which road?

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fine most of the time but if i have cold or just tired and on the thursday/friday it wears you
down some days...

I have the "luxury" of catching a train should I not feel like commuting in or out. I haven't
actually commuted much at all these last couple of weeks. I'm doing much more speed/racing stuff
though and don't want to push myself over the edge with overtraining like I did a few times last
year. Of course, I could just be fitter now?

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which way do you ride in?

Whitehorse Rd.

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I see groups heading out east past my place and mean to jump on but Im never on a bike when I
spot them!

I never see groups when I ride.. :-(

hippy

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continental gator 28c tyres (hey, i have had the year from hell, puncture-wise!)

IRC Metro-Cross Duro 38s, very slick, fast & slient.

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Any improvements, people???

Lights for winter?

-kt

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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 05:50:04 GMT, flyingdutch <[email hidden]> Wrote :

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Humbug said:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 01:30:00 GMT, flyingdutch <usenet-

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Lights covered (geesh, i ride every day of the year humbugger 😄 )

I sorta figured that but I tried...:-) I really like the idea of the SON hub, it's bloody pricey
here though...:-(

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Moulton? God 20" wheel set. OK, people. We are entering truly strange places now. Would love to
have one but not to commute on everyday...

Not _that_ strange surely, at least I didn't suggest a Bickerton...:-) The Moulton truly sucks at
some things and is truly brilliant at others. Commuting is where I reckon it's brilliant - if it's
wet you get REALLY wet feet though. For loaded touring - give me a good old fashioned touring bike
or a well built mountain bike with lotsa low gears and heaps of rack, bidon, etc. mounts. Forget the
moulton, for touring it sucks IMO.

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The whole reason i want discs is to stop wearing out rims with rimbrakes and rimbrakes just need
too much constant adjustment

Agree completely. The trouble, for me anyway, is that a Moulton S7 can't deal with disk brakes. AM
himself says don't do it and some that have tried have had broken forks and rear triangles. Bummer.

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Yes, the shifter on roadbars may present an issue, perhaps I should just

A starting point for ideas could be..

www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/surly-rohloff/ or www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/rohloff.html

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go SS. Make me 'hardcore' or just give me Shane Kelly legs...

I'll have a pair of the SK legs please. This "pair" doesn't match AND they're getting old and worn
out. Given that they weren't much to start with, either of 'em, a pair of SK legs would be just the
ticket...:-)

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Humbug

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Moulton? God 20" wheel set. OK, people. We are entering truly strange places now. Would love to
have one but not to commute on everyday...

Keep the pressure right up, and you'd never notice the difference.

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The whole reason i want discs is to stop wearing out rims with rimbrakes and rimbrakes just need
too much constant adjustment

You mean I'm supposed to adjust them ?!

Hmmm, might be better than putting my foot on the front wheel like we did as kids 🙂

-kt