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    A . B . Chung F
    Archived post
    #1

    ---------------------------------
    | The Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD FAQ |
    | Version 3.74, March, 2004 |
    ---------------------------------

    Introduction
    ------------
    New people arriving in sci.med.cardiology (s.m.c.) are often
    puzzled and troubled by the vitriol directed at Dr. Andrew
    B. Chung, MD/PhD
    (Dr. Chung) and want to better understand the reasons for
    the hatred that some folks have for him. This FAQ
    (Frequently Asked Questions) does provide some truthful
    answers (there are versions of this FAQ put out by
    detractors that are useful only for comparison
    purposes). All answers given herein can be
    independently verified either via Google or by using
    the third-party resources at
    heartmdphd.comprofile.asp. This FAQ has
    been posted in the past in a manner that permits
    authentication. The veracity of both the posting email
    address and domain name can be independently confirmed
    via Google (makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com).

    The FAQ is arranged in typical FAQ form, i.e. a series of
    questions followed by simple truthful answers. For those
    who don't wish to read the whole FAQ, the following summary
    is provided.

    Summary
    -------
    Ds. Chung is a well-respected licensed cardiologist, who is
    board-certified in internal medicine and cardiology
    (cardiovascular medicine). In this capacity, he responds
    truthfully to medical questions on
    s.m.c.(makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com) He does
    this out of sincere altruism when he has spare time
    outside his private cardiology practice, where he sees
    patients as a cardiologist. If that was all he were,
    there would probably be no controversy.

    The controversy arises from Dr. Chung being Christian, in
    particular:

    o He continues to publicly profess that Christ is his Lord
    and Savior.

    o He freely helps people to lose weight in an altruistic
    Christian fashion (heartmdphd.comwtloss.asp).

    o When attacked on the above issues, he turns the other
    cheek in a Christian manner.

    o When challenged about his faith in Christ, he witnesses
    steadfastly without hatred
    (makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com).

    o When insulted for his faith in Christ, he openly calls it
    a blessing.

    o He remains truthful, as a servant of Christ, despite being
    libeled and defamed (heartmdphd.comlibel.asp).

    o Other Christians have affirmed Dr. Chung's strong faith
    in Christ.

    The above lists only the highlights of Dr. Chung's Christian
    behavior on s.m.c. If anything, it understates it.
    Everything can be verified in the Google archives. He
    witnesses to all at heartmdphd.comhealer.asp.

    People arrive in this group looking for help. Dr. Chung has
    graciously provided this over several years
    (makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com). Dr. Chung
    consistently demonstrates the breadth of his knowledge and
    experience. This is archived many times over in Google.

    List of Questions Answered
    --------------------------
    1. Who is Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD?
    2. What is the Charter of s.m.c.?
    3. Aren't Christian discussions covered by the Charter?
    4. So Dr. Chung is Christian... What's the problem
    with that?
    5. But it's just a little "tag line" in his signature.
    6. But I'm a Christian Too!
    7. Well, why not just ignore his Christian nature?
    8. But isn't it wonderful that Dr. Chung offers this free
    medical information out of the goodness of his heart?
    9. How does a cardiologist have so much time to spend
    on Usenet?
    10. Won't challenging Dr. Chung drive people away?
    11. Doesn't the "fault" for all those posts lay with those
    who challenge Dr. Chung?
    12. Why do I see so many "ad hominem" attacks?
    13. I'm sick of seeing all this!
    14. What is the Two Pound Diet?
    15. Is discussion of the Two Pound Diet "on topic"?
    16. Who is Mu?
    17. What is Mu's role?
    18. Who is Steve?
    19. What is Steve's role?
    20. Who is Bob?
    21. What is Bob's role?
    22. Who is Stephen?
    23. What is Stephen's role?
    24. Is this spam?
    25. Who is the author of this FAQ?
    26. Do Dr. Chung's posts fit the definition of "spam" as
    some allege?
    27. Are Mu, John, CarolT, and Dr. Chung the same person as
    some allege?

    28. Who is Dr. Andrew B Chung, MD/PhD?
    -------------------------------------
    Dt. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD is a licensed doubly board-
    certified cardiologist practicing cardiovascular
    medicine in Atlanta, Georgia, USA. His signature
    contains a link to heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com, which is
    consistent with his posts and qualifications.

    2. What is the Charter of s.m.c.?
    ---------------------------------
    The purpose of this newsgroup is to establish electronic
    media for communication between health care providers,
    scientists and other individuals with interest in the
    cardiovascular field. Such communications will provide quick
    and efficacious means to exchange information and knowledge,
    and offer problems to solutions.

    The sci.med.cardiology newsgroup will welcome participants
    who are health care providers, trainees, researchers,
    students or recipients with interest in the field of
    cardiovascular problems."

    (ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/sci/sci.me-
    d.cardiology)

    3. Aren't Christian discussions covered by the charter?
    -------------------------------------------------------
    They are if these discussions represent "communication
    between health care providers, scientists and other
    individuals with interest in the cardiovascular field." It
    should be noted that Christ remains a healthcare provider
    (heartmdphd.comhealer.asp), who has demonstrated
    an interest in the cardiovascular field when He
    "resuscitated" Lazarus.

    4. So Dr. Chung is Christian... What's the problem
    with that?
    ------------------------------------------------------------
    -
    Some people are fiercely anti-christian.

    5. But it's just a little "tag line" in his
    signature, isn't it?
    ------------------------------------------------------
    ----------
    Yes it is. But it offends those who are anti-christian.

    6. But I'm a Christian too! Should I worry?
    -------------------------------------------
    No. You have Christ's promise of eternal life and the
    unimaginable riches of God's kingdom.

    7. Well, why not just ignore his Christian nature?
    --------------------------------------------------
    Anti-christians are unable to do that.

    8. But isn't it wonderful that Dr. Chung offers this free
    medical information out of the goodness of his heart?
    ----------------------------------------------------------
    God is wonderful.

    9. How does a cardiologist have so much time to spend
    on Usenet?
    ------------------------------------------------------
    ----------
    God makes time for those whom He blesses.

    10. Won't challenging Dr. Chung drive people away?
    --------------------------------------------------
    Do not concern yourself with the free will of others.

    11. Doesn't the "fault" for all those posts lay with those
    who challenge Dr. Chung?
    ------------------------------------------------------------
    --
    God uses anti-christians for His purposes. These posts are
    according to His will.

    12. Why do I see so many "ad hominem" attacks?
    ----------------------------------------------
    This is how anti-christian folks are identified so they can
    be culled from His flock.

    13. I'm sick of seeing all this!
    -------------------------------
    Not really a question unless you ask yourself "why?"

    14. What is the Two Pound Diet (TPD) approach?
    ----------------------------------------------
    See: heartmdphd.comwtloss.asp

    15. Is discussion of the Two Pound Diet "on topic"?
    ---------------------------------------------------
    Yes. It cures metabolic syndrome (MetS) which is a condition
    that leads to higher rates of cardiovascular morbidity and
    mortality.

    16. Who is Mu?
    --------------
    A Christian (makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com).

    17. What is Mu's role?
    ----------------------
    To serve God's will and purpose.

    18. Who is Steve?
    -----------------
    An anti-christian (makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com).
    He authors the untrue versions of this FAQ
    (makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com).

    19. What is Steve's role?
    -------------------------
    To serve God's will and purpose.

    20. Who is Bob?
    ---------------
    A food worshipper (makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com).
    He is obsessively drawn to the 2PD approach
    (heartmdphd.comlibel.asp). He is also obsessed
    with this FAQ (makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com) and
    can be seen writing to himself about it.

    21. What is Bob's role?
    -----------------------
    To serve God's will and purpose.

    22. Who is Stephen?
    -------------------
    An anti-christian Jew who believes that "Jesus is no more
    the Messiah than Elvis Presley"
    (makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com). He is so taken
    with Dr. Chung's Christian beliefs that he is now a
    cyberstalker (makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com) by his
    own admitted actions. In his continued cyberstalking of Dr.
    Chung, he has learned that Dr. Chung has a long history of
    reporting those who would willfully trespass against others
    (makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com). A few words to the
    wise can be found at heartmdphd.comstalking.asp
    in this regard.

    23. What is Stephen's role?
    ---------------------------
    To serve God's will and purpose.

    24. Is this spam?
    -----------------
    No, this is a FAQ.

    25. Who is the author of this FAQ?
    ----------------------------------
    There are multiple contributors and they choose to remain
    anonymous although they respect Dr. Chung's choice not to be
    anonymous.

    26. Do Dr. Chung's posts fit the definition of "spam" as
    some allege?
    -----------------------------------------------------------
    ----------
    No. Spam on Usenet are stand-alone advertisements and not
    unique responses to the posts of others.

    27. Are Mu, John, CarolT, and Dr. Chung the same person as
    some allege?
    ------------------------------------------------------------
    -----------
    No. Mu, John, CarolT, and Andrew are 4 distinctly different
    Christian individuals.

    Comments and/or corrections to this FAQ will be taken under
    advisement via [email hidden].

    Report
  2. Stephen Nagler
    Archived post
    #2

    28. Why did Dr. Chung leave Ocala, Florida?
    -------------------------------------
    Dr. Chung's contract at the Central Florida Heart Center was
    terminated *for cause* after less than four months of
    employment.

    29. What does "for cause" mean?
    -------------------------------------
    When a physician is hired to work as an employee for another
    physician, a group of physicians, a clinic, or another
    corporate entity, that contract may be terminated by the
    employer at any time either "for cause" or "not for cause."
    Under a typical contract, the employer may terminate the
    employment "for cause" only if the physician has been found
    guilty of a felony, if the physician has been grossly
    negligent, if the physician has repeatedly used poor medical
    judgement thereby endangering patients and has been
    unwilling to accept constructive criticism in this regard,
    or if the physician has been unethical in his dealings with
    patients, colleagues, or other employees.

    30. If a physician's contract is terminated "for cause,"
    does the physician have any recourse?
    -------------------------------------
    The physician can submit his or her case for
    arbitration or trial.

    31. What did Dr. Chung do when his contract was terminated
    for cause?
    -------------------------------------
    He submitted his case for arbitration.

    32. What was the result of the arbitration?
    -------------------------------------
    After carefully assessing both sides of the story, the
    arbitrator found that the termination for cause was
    justified.

    33. What was the specific offense that led to Dr. Chung's
    contract being terminated for cause?
    -------------------------------------
    That is up to Dr. Chung to disclose or not disclose as he
    may desire.

    34. What does any of this have to do with the
    sci.med.cardiology newsgroup?
    -------------------------------------
    Ds. Chung addresses numerous issues - medical and non-
    medical - on the sci.med.cardiology newsgroup. The
    information outlined in this "addendum" to Dr. Chung's
    FAQ is for background purposes to lend some additional
    perspective. Each reader must make his or her own
    decision with respect to the quality and reliability of
    the information Dr. Chung provides on this newsgroup,
    via e-mail, via the web, via telephone, or in person.
    Hopefully the information provided in this FAQ addendum
    will add some balance. In my opinion nobody should ever
    take medical information provided on Internet sites at
    face value. All such information should be thoroughly
    discussed with each respective reader's own physician.

    Stephen M. Nagler, M.D.

    Report
  3. terri231
    Archived post
    #3

    On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 02:29:50 GMT, Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    28. Why did Dr. Chung leave Ocala, Florida?
    -------------------------------------
    Dr. Chung's contract at the Central Florida Heart Center
    was terminated *for cause* after less than four months
    of employment.

    29. What does "for cause" mean?
    -------------------------------------
    When a physician is hired to work as an employee for
    another physician, a group of physicians, a clinic, or
    another corporate entity, that contract may be terminated
    by the employer at any time either "for cause" or "not for
    cause." Under a typical contract, the employer may
    terminate the employment "for cause" only if the physician
    has been found guilty of a felony, if the physician has
    been grossly negligent, if the physician has repeatedly
    used poor medical judgement thereby endangering patients
    and has been unwilling to accept constructive criticism in
    this regard, or if the physician has been unethical in his
    dealings with patients, colleagues, or other employees.

    30. If a physician's contract is terminated "for cause,"
    does the physician have any recourse?
    -------------------------------------
    The physician can submit his or her case for arbitration
    or trial.

    31. What did Dr. Chung do when his contract was terminated
    for cause?
    -------------------------------------
    He submitted his case for arbitration.

    32. What was the result of the arbitration?
    -------------------------------------
    After carefully assessing both sides of the story, the
    arbitrator found that the termination for cause was
    justified.

    33. What was the specific offense that led to Dr. Chung's
    contract being terminated for cause?
    -------------------------------------
    That is up to Dr. Chung to disclose or not disclose as he
    may desire.

    34. What does any of this have to do with the
    sci.med.cardiology newsgroup?
    -------------------------------------
    Dr. Chung addresses numerous issues - medical and non-
    medical - on the sci.med.cardiology newsgroup. The
    information outlined in this "addendum" to Dr. Chung's
    FAQ is for background purposes to lend some additional
    perspective. Each reader must make his or her own
    decision with respect to the quality and reliability of
    the information Dr. Chung provides on this newsgroup,
    via e-mail, via the web, via telephone, or in person.
    Hopefully the information provided in this FAQ addendum
    will add some balance. In my opinion nobody should ever
    take medical information provided on Internet sites at
    face value. All such information should be thoroughly
    discussed with each respective reader's own physician.

    Stephen M. Nagler, M.D.

    Been a busy boy, Stephen?

    Terri

    pub219.ezboard.combtinnitusactivismandsupport

    Report
  4. Dr. Andrew B. C
    Archived post
    #4
    Quoted message said:
    Stephen Nagler said:


    28. Why did Dr. Chung leave Ocala, Florida?
    -------------------------------------
    Dr. Chung's contract at the Central Florida Heart Center
    was terminated *for cause* after less than four
    months of employment.

    29. What does "for cause" mean?
    -------------------------------------
    When a physician is hired to work as an employee for
    another physician, a group of physicians, a clinic, or
    another corporate entity, that contract may be terminated
    by the employer at any time either "for cause" or "not
    for cause." Under a typical contract, the employer may
    terminate the employment "for cause" only if the
    physician has been found guilty of a felony, if the
    physician has been grossly negligent, if the physician
    has repeatedly used poor medical judgement thereby
    endangering patients and has been unwilling to accept
    constructive criticism in this regard, or if the
    physician has been unethical in his dealings with
    patients, colleagues, or other employees.

    30. If a physician's contract is terminated "for cause,"
    does the physician have any recourse?
    -------------------------------------
    The physician can submit his or her case for arbitration
    or trial.

    31. What did Dr. Chung do when his contract was
    terminated for cause?
    -------------------------------------
    He submitted his case for arbitration.

    32. What was the result of the arbitration?
    -------------------------------------
    After carefully assessing both sides of the story, the
    arbitrator found that the termination for cause was
    justified.

    33. What was the specific offense that led to Dr.
    Chung's contract being terminated for cause?
    -------------------------------------
    That is up to Dr. Chung to disclose or not disclose as he
    may desire.

    34. What does any of this have to do with the
    sci.med.cardiology newsgroup?
    -------------------------------------
    Dr. Chung addresses numerous issues - medical and non-
    medical - on the sci.med.cardiology newsgroup. The
    information outlined in this "addendum" to Dr.
    Chung's FAQ is for background purposes to lend some
    additional perspective. Each reader must make his or
    her own decision with respect to the quality and
    reliability of the information Dr. Chung provides on
    this newsgroup, via e-mail, via the web, via
    telephone, or in person. Hopefully the information
    provided in this FAQ addendum will add some balance.
    In my opinion nobody should ever take medical
    information provided on Internet sites at face value.
    All such information should be thoroughly discussed
    with each respective reader's own physician.

    Stephen M. Nagler, M.D.

    Been a busy boy, Stephen?

    Terri

    It has clearly become an obsession for him.

    Poor guy.

    He remains in my prayers to God, in Christ's name.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

    **
    Who is the humblest person in the universe?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    What is all this about?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    Is this spam?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    Report
  5. terri231
    Archived post
    #5
    MD/PhD said:


    It has clearly become an obsession for him.

    Poor guy.

    He remains in my prayers to God, in Christ's name.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

    ** Who is the humblest person in the universe?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    What is all this about?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    Is this spam? makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    It is most likely OCD and/or narcissism, IMO. I have
    observed this behavior on alt.support.tinnitus for about two
    years and understand it had been going on in some form or
    another for 7 or 8 years in all not just on usenet, but
    other medical message boards as well.

    For example, he had been banned several times from the
    tinnitus support message board on ezboard and still broke
    their rules by continuing to post under pseudonyms because
    he was so obsessed with having the adoration of the
    suffering people there as "the expert".

    My concern is with people that fall for the "nice guy"
    manner when they need to realize he can turn on them for no
    apparent reason. Be warned that he will keep dossiers on
    those that cross him and it would be a good idea if you
    don't cross him if you are easy to trace such as using a
    real name or a workplace computer, IMO. As you point out in
    your FAQ, Andrew, he has targeted you because you "crossed"
    him when you filed a police report. He won't rest until he
    feels he has "beaten" you. It is a very sad situation.

    All IMO, of course.

    Terri

    pub219.ezboard.combtinnitusactivismandsupport

    Report
  6. Smoke
    Archived post
    #6
    Quoted message said:

    My concern is with people that fall for the "nice guy"
    manner when they need to realize he can turn on them for
    no apparent reason.

    Sound like you are talking about Dr Chung.

    Be

    Quoted message said:

    warned that he will keep dossiers on those that cross him
    and it would be a good idea if you don't cross him if you
    are easy to trace such as using a real name or a workplace
    computer,

    Yep, definately talking about Dr Chung, he has a bad habbit
    of digging for dirt Why, I hear you ask, because he likes to
    know who he is talking to (vomit).

    IMO. As you point out in

    Quoted message said:

    your FAQ, Andrew, he has targeted you because you
    "crossed" him when you filed a police report.

    He won't rest until he feels he has

    Quoted message said:

    "beaten" you. It is a very sad situation.

    Dr Chung's a sad guy.

    Quoted message said:


    All IMO, of course.

    Terri

    Yes of course Terri, gotta protect your [censored].

    Smoke

    Report
  7. Dr. Andrew B. C
    Archived post
    #7
    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 03:30:59 GMT, "Dr. Andrew B. Chung,

    MD/PhD said:


    It has clearly become an obsession for him.

    Poor guy.

    He remains in my prayers to God, in Christ's name.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

    ** Who is the humblest person in the universe?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    What is all this about?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    Is this spam? makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    It is most likely OCD and/or narcissism, IMO. I have
    observed this behavior on alt.support.tinnitus for about
    two years and understand it had been going on in some form
    or another for 7 or 8 years in all not just on usenet, but
    other medical message boards as well.

    For example, he had been banned several times from the
    tinnitus support message board on ezboard and still broke
    their rules by continuing to post under pseudonyms because
    he was so obsessed with having the adoration of the
    suffering people there as "the expert".

    My concern is with people that fall for the "nice guy"
    manner when they need to realize he can turn on them for
    no apparent reason. Be warned that he will keep dossiers
    on those that cross him and it would be a good idea if you
    don't cross him if you are easy to trace such as using a
    real name or a workplace computer, IMO. As you point out
    in your FAQ, Andrew, he has targeted you because you
    "crossed" him when you filed a police report.

    Actually, I believe I "crossed" him by being Christian (and
    praying for him as a Christian). He called it "off-putting"
    when I wrote that I prayed for him (and I still do).

    From the FAQ (not mine but accurate nonetheless... kudos to
    the authors):

    "An anti-christian Jew who believes that "Jesus is no more
    the Messiah than Elvis Presley"
    (makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com). He is so taken
    with Dr. Chung's Christian beliefs that he is now a
    cyberstalker (makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com) by his
    own admitted actions. In his continued cyberstalking of Dr.
    Chung, he has learned that Dr. Chung has a long history of
    reporting those who would willfully trespass against others
    (makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com). A few words to the
    wise can be found at heartmdphd.comstalking.asp
    in this regard."

    Quoted message said:

    He won't rest until he feels he has "beaten" you. It is a
    very sad situation.

    Doubly sad, because my Lord has not and never will be
    beaten.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

    **
    Who is the humblest person in the universe?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    What is all this about?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    Is this spam?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    Report

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