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  1. According to local news here in Norfolk, seems on Saturday evening, on the
    outskirts of Shipdham (A1075) a cyslist was struck from behind by a car and as
    he lay injured, was struck again by another vehicle. Neither driver stopped :-(

    What I find horrific about this is that neither driver stopped. Hit and runs seem to be on the
    increase :-(

    The cyclist is described as being in a stable condition in hospital.

    One can only but hope that the drivers concerned are caught, have their goolies (or female
    equivalent) chopped off, then are put up against a wall and shot. Hit & runs are unforgivable.

    Cheers, helen s

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  2. Quoted message said:

    The cyclist is described as being in a stable condition in hospital.

    One can only but hope that the drivers concerned are caught, have their


    goolies

    Quoted message said:

    (or female equivalent) chopped off, then are put up against a wall and


    shot.

    Quoted message said:

    Hit & runs are unforgivable.

    Cheers, helen s I,m not attacking cyclists but as a contrast the bobbies


    are looking for three cyclists in full cycling attire who knocked down an elderly couple who
    were crossing a pelican crossing, round here since we became a university town and have boat
    loads of cycling students the amount of hit and runs on pedestrians plus damage to cars has gone
    up a fair bit.

  3. Quoted message said:

    I,m not attacking cyclists but as a contrast the bobbies are looking for three cyclists in full
    cycling attire who knocked down an elderly couple who were crossing a pelican crossing, round here
    since we became a university town and have boat loads of cycling students the amount of hit and
    runs on pedestrians plus damage to cars has gone up a fair bit.

    I hope they catch them too.

    It is still the case though, that motorists cause by far the most significant proportion of death &
    injuries on the road. That's not excusing any cyclist in the situation you describe - it's merely
    fact on who/what is the major cause of the problem

    Cheers, helen s

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  4. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    What I find horrific about this is that neither driver stopped. Hit and runs seem to be on the
    increase :-(


    Beware the deviation amplification spiral that leads to moral panics(1). More reporting of an issue
    doesn't mean it's more common.

    1) Guess who's doing a social studies OU course?

  5. Quoted message said:

    Beware the deviation amplification spiral that leads to moral panics(1). More reporting of an issue
    doesn't mean it's more common.

    Indeed, there is that to consider. But as there seems to be more reporting of it, and the sentencing
    handed out to motorists who kill or injure is pretty p**s poor and of little deterrent value, I have
    my doubts if it's a case of panic on the part of all the drivers who are scared of the heavy
    sentence they are likely to get if caught, so panic and run off. Possibly it's more along the lines
    of thinking "who cares"

    Quoted message said:

    1) Guess who's doing a social studies OU course?

    You.

    Cheers, helen s

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  6. "dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I,m not attacking cyclists but as a contrast the bobbies are looking for three cyclists in full
    cycling attire who knocked down an elderly couple who were crossing a pelican crossing, round
    here since we became a university town and have boat loads of cycling students the


    amount

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of hit and runs on pedestrians plus damage to cars has gone up a fair


    bit.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I hope they catch them too.

    It is still the case though, that motorists cause by far the most


    significant

    Quoted message said:

    proportion of death & injuries on the road. That's not excusing any


    cyclist in

    Quoted message said:

    the situation you describe - it's merely fact on who/what is the major


    cause of

    Quoted message said:

    the problem

    Cheers, helen s


    Absolutely in agreement with you on that, dunno why they cant spend the money they make off speed
    cameras and spend it on cycle paths.

  7. marc marccdimspamremovedimspamto said:

    Beware the deviation amplification spiral

    Why ? "deviation amplification spiral" was their best album

  8. [email hidden] (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers)typed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Absolutely in agreement with you on that, dunno why they cant spend the money they make off speed
    cameras and spend it on cycle paths.

    Quoted message said:

    God I hope they don't! I wish they'd spend it on more driver education and general PR to start
    impressing on more motorists that it isn't acceptable to moan about being caught speeding and it
    isn't acceptable to think that driving a car means you can ignore other road users and be a
    totally selfish twit!

    Quoted message said:

    Cheers, helen s

    Also, I don't want to be led down unlit, unsalted, isolated 'cycle paths' where nobody can hear
    anyone call for help, and just happen to go nowhere near my destination.

    The other Helen

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden] Edgware.

  9. Quoted message said:

    Beware the deviation amplification spiral that leads to moral panics(1). More reporting of an
    issue doesn't mean it's more common.

    Hit and run offences, especially where the victim is a cyclist, have always been endemic. There is
    nothing new about drivers ignoring cyclists lying injured in the middle of the road either. One
    middle aged lady contacted me about I campaign I was/am running to get a level crossing improved.
    She came off on some dangerously out of level rails and was more upset by the fact that motorists
    drove around her, many blowing their horns at her, then the injuries she received...

    Nationally, the current level of 'hit and runs' is around 14% and rising - up almost 4%in the last
    year. In some areas such as Manchester and Liverpool the 'hit an run' rate is now approaching 50%...

    Look at http;//motorcarnage.org.uk/motorcarnage/current.html

    and count how mnay times 'hit and run' drink driving, drugs use, driving whilst disqualified and
    'excessive speed' come up. Also look how many pedestrians are killed by hit and run drivers - it's
    important to keep a sense of perspective as to where the real problems
    lie.

    What we need is blanket coverage of the country with speed cameras, using the revenue raised to pay
    for traffic officers. No whining - the current cameras were brought in largely because the motor
    lobby called for them on the basis you if you missed a high visibility camera you were probabaly
    driving without due attention and deserved a fine. They seem to have conveniently forgotten about
    that now though... (No whining either about siteing cameras around corners. You are supposed to be
    able to STOP in the distance you can see to be clear for gawds sake...).

  10. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Dirtylitterboxo
    According to local news here in Norfolk, seems on Saturday evening, on the outskirts of Shipdham (A1075) a cyslist was struck from behind by a car and as he lay injured, was struck again by another vehicle. Neither driver stopped :-(

    What I find horrific about this is that neither driver stopped. Hit and runs seem to be on the increase :-(

    The cyclist is described as being in a stable condition in hospital.

    One can only but hope that the drivers concerned are caught, have their goolies (or female equivalent) chopped off, then are put up against a wall and shot. Hit & runs are unforgivable.

    Cheers, helen s

    Hit and run incidents are terrible. Whilst I can understand fear of accepting the consequences for really bad driving, this is not an excuse. Looks like this is the way society is going if you ask me, it's too easy to make it someone else's problem instead of dealing with things yourself.

    I didn't think much of the cyclist v. pedestrian hit and run point of view. Generally speeds are far lower and so actual death rates are much lower when compared to car v. cyclist. Strange how you go to somewhere like Amsterdam which is awash with cyclists, pedestrians and trams, and you hardly ever see collisions (at least I didn't in the 3 weeks I was over there). Must be our British mentality about not wanting to move from "our lane" or "our line" even if it means we're going to get wiped out by someone / something moving faster.

    As for emasculating the culprits, it would be far better just to tattoo the words "Ar$ehole" on their foreheads so everyone knew what they are, as well as shaving their heads so they couldn't just grow a fringe and hide their tat!

  11. McBain_v1 said:

    .As for emasculating the culprits, it would be far better just to


    tattoothe words "Ar$ehole" on their foreheads so everyone knew what they are

    ROFL!

    Does anyone else find it funny that someone that wants to tattoo offenders is too mealy mouthed to
    type the word that he wants to use?

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    types jaceeprint.demon.co.ukjaceeprint.demon.co.uk Stickers, banners & clothing, for clubs,teams, magazines
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  12. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Marc
    Does anyone else find it funny that someone that wants to tattoo offenders is too mealy mouthed to type the word that he wants to use?

    Thought this forum might have a word filter, hence the insertion of the solalr symbol... you [censored] ;-)

  13. McBain_v1 said:

    Marc wrote: > Does anyone else find it funny that someone that wants to tattoo > offenders is too
    mealy mouthed to type the word that he wants to use? Thought this forum might have a word filter,
    hence the insertion of thesolalr symbol... you [censored] ;-)

    That's more like it! ;-)

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  14. On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:23:43 -0000, marc <marccdimspamremovedimspamto
    [email hidden]> wrote (more or less):

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    What I find horrific about this is that neither driver stopped. Hit and runs seem to be on the
    increase :-(


    Beware the deviation amplification spiral that leads to moral panics(1). More reporting of an issue
    doesn't mean it's more common.

    1) Guess who's doing a social studies OU course?

    I did that one last year!

    What do you think - anti-speeding activity by the authorities: moral panic or unjustified all-out
    attack on our way of life?

    Cheers, Euan Gawnsoft: gawnsoft.co.srgawnsoft.co.sr Symbian/Epoc wiki: html.dnsalias.nethtml.dnsalias.net
    Smalltalk links (harvested from comp.lang.smalltalk) html.dnsalias.netsmalltalk

  15. Gawnsoft said:
    Quoted message said:

    Beware the deviation amplification spiral that leads to moral panics(1). More reporting of an
    issue doesn't mean it's more common.

    1) Guess who's doing a social studies OU course?

    I did that one last year!

    What do you think - anti-speeding activity by the authorities: moral panic or unjustified all-out
    attack on our way of life?

    It's a moral panic and used it as an example in my TMA

    --
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    types jaceeprint.demon.co.ukjaceeprint.demon.co.uk Stickers, banners & clothing, for clubs,teams, magazines
    and dealers.

  16. On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 13:34:40 +0000 someone who may be Gawnsoft
    <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    1) Guess who's doing a social studies OU course?

    I did that one last year!

    What do you think - anti-speeding activity by the authorities: moral panic or unjustified all-out
    attack on our way of life?

    A social studies course where a question only has two possible answers. Interesting.

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E I will always explain revoked
    keys, unless the UK government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000.

  17. On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:35:03 GMT, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, McBain_v1 ('usenet-

    ) said:

    Thought this forum might have a word filter, hence the insertion of the solalr symbol... you
    [censored] ;-)

    God, some people really don't understand the technolgy they're using, do they? How could a Usenet
    group possibly have a word filter? Where would it be installed and how would it be enforced?

    Firstly, the poster is posting via cyclingforums.com, it just happens that they provide a gateway to
    this newsgroup---unfortunately. He/she may not ven know that what they send is seen on a newsgroup.

    Secondly, it is possible to filter posts based on the words therein since it is possible to moderate
    newsgroups. The filter, like moderation software, could be installed on one net-enabled machine
    anywhere in the world.

    Colin
    --

  18. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    1) Guess who's doing a social studies OU course?

    I did that one last year!

    What do you think - anti-speeding activity by the authorities: moral panic or unjustified all-out
    attack on our way of life?

    A social studies course where a question only has two possible answers. Interesting.


    The question wasn't in the course.

  19. On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:36:11 -0000 someone who may be "Doki"
    <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    The vast majority of people who are run over are run over because they've wandered out into the
    road without looking, often drunk.

    Highway Code, Rules 180-185.

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E I will always explain revoked
    keys, unless the UK government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000.

  20. On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:42:00 -0000 someone who may be Colin
    Blackburn <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    Secondly, it is possible to filter posts based on the words therein

    It is possible to filter posts, but only downstream of the filtering computer.

    Quoted message said:

    since it is possible to moderate newsgroups.

    An interesting concept, but not a correct one.

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E I will always explain revoked
    keys, unless the UK government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000.

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