Donati On Armstrong

B. Lafferty said:

Note what he says about the validity of the French lab's test.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050831/sp_wl_afp/cyclinggerusadoping_050831172817

Once again he makes accusations of steroids and other drugs without
any evidence. His only "evidence" is that "noone could do that with EPO
alone".
That's chickenshit coming from someone who was supposed to be
impartial and indicative of a real problem among the doping officials.
Either provide solid evidence or shut the hell up.
Bill C

B. Lafferty said:

Note what he says about the validity of the French lab's test.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050831/sp_wl_afp/cyclinggerusadoping_050831172817

I don't see Donati's comment about the validity of the French lab's
test anywhere in this article. I do see Donati making a series of
almost unbelievably ignorant and factless statements....for example,
this one - "No one could achieve what Armstrong has achieved taking EPO
on its own. EPO improves your breathing capacity. But you also need
other substances, such as anabolics, testosterone and a lot of others.
S'cuse me? Donati is saying that Armstrong was positive not only for
EPO but for steroids and testosterone "in the last few years"? That IS
news, particularly since the L'Equip story only relates to ONE half of
a sample, tested only for EPO, and only for 1999. In other words,
Donati is a Lance basher, and he just likes making [censored] up.

Lance won every tour because he rode harder, trained harder, and in a
few cases, was just plain lucky (Ulrich's crash during the TT in the
2003 Tour, for example).

Lance has proven unequivocally that the one-balled man is king in the
land of the balless, and the Frogs hate him for it.

mj

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B. Lafferty said:

Note what he says about the validity of the French lab's test.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050831/sp_wl_afp/cyclinggerusadoping_050831172817

Once again he makes accusations of steroids and other drugs without
any evidence. His only "evidence" is that "noone could do that with EPO
alone".

Recall, if you will, the steroid cream defense during the Tour and
O'Reilly's claim that he was using steroids earlier in that year. Also, the
cream that they gave the note for, wasn't what he came up positive for.

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That's chickenshit coming from someone who was supposed to be
impartial and indicative of a real problem among the doping officials.
Either provide solid evidence or shut the hell up.
Bill C

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B. Lafferty said:

Note what he says about the validity of the French lab's test.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050831/sp_wl_afp/cyclinggerusadoping_050831172817

I don't see Donati's comment about the validity of the French lab's
test anywhere in this article. I do see Donati making a series of
almost unbelievably ignorant and factless statements....for example,
this one - "No one could achieve what Armstrong has achieved taking EPO
on its own. EPO improves your breathing capacity. But you also need
other substances, such as anabolics, testosterone and a lot of others.
S'cuse me? Donati is saying that Armstrong was positive not only for
EPO but for steroids and testosterone "in the last few years"? That IS
news, particularly since the L'Equip story only relates to ONE half of
a sample, tested only for EPO, and only for 1999. In other words,
Donati is a Lance basher, and he just likes making [censored] up.

Lance won every tour because he rode harder, trained harder, and in a
few cases, was just plain lucky (Ulrich's crash during the TT in the
2003 Tour, for example).

Lance has proven unequivocally that the one-balled man is king in the
land of the balless, and the Frogs hate him for it.

mj

From the article above:

"The documents printed by L'Equipe are very damaging but also
unquestionable. But the paper's own position is much less clear," said
Donati.

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Bill C said:

B. Lafferty said:

Note what he says about the validity of the French lab's test.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050831/sp_wl_afp/cyclinggerusadoping_050831172817

Once again he makes accusations of steroids and other drugs without
any evidence. His only "evidence" is that "noone could do that with EPO
alone".
That's chickenshit coming from someone who was supposed to be
impartial and indicative of a real problem among the doping officials.
Either provide solid evidence or shut the hell up.
Bill C

This guy makes a living as a witch hunter:
"Donati, who has a background specialising in athletics, became known
in the anti-doping world in 1994 for creating a file on the top level
athletes and their doctors - in particular in the world of cycling -
who had been caught up in doping affairs."

I think he's less credible that L'Equipe...but I still tend to believe
the results.

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Bill C said:

B. Lafferty said:

Note what he says about the validity of the French lab's test.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050831/sp_wl_afp/cyclinggerusadoping_050831172817

Once again he makes accusations of steroids and other drugs without
any evidence. His only "evidence" is that "noone could do that with EPO
alone".
That's chickenshit coming from someone who was supposed to be
impartial and indicative of a real problem among the doping officials.
Either provide solid evidence or shut the hell up.
Bill C

This guy makes a living as a witch hunter:
"Donati, who has a background specialising in athletics, became known
in the anti-doping world in 1994 for creating a file on the top level
athletes and their doctors - in particular in the world of cycling -
who had been caught up in doping affairs."

I think he's less credible that L'Equipe...but I still tend to believe
the results.

Please tell us what was wrong in the Donati Dossier?

http://www.ergogenics.org/donati.html

This guy has an axe to grind. Nothing is more apparent. His dossier
was his account on the state of doping based in interviews and hearsay,
not facts. I've heard all sorts of stories of how prevalent drugs are
in the Euro peloton, but some based on what I've read from Donati -
the guy is a crackpot.

This is exactly what I'd expect out of this guy. Someone with a more
level sense would not be able to say that they are unquestionable.
Where the samples accounted for as being un-tampered with for the past
7 years? Were the techniques and protocols sound? Damaging -
certainly, unquestionable - no way in hell.

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Note what he says about the validity of the French lab's test.

You must mean the repeated statements about the magazine's conflict of
interest.

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B. Lafferty said:

Note what he says about the validity of the French lab's test.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050831/sp_wl_afp/cyclinggerusadoping_050831172817

"The documents printed by L'Equipe are very damaging but also
unquestionable. But the paper's own position is much less clear," said
Donati.

As an attorney ??? You should be first to recognize that nothing on this
earth is "UNQUESTIONABLE".

You are losing ground in the Respect Department.

Ken

"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

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"The documents printed by L'Equipe are very damaging but also
unquestionable. But the paper's own position is much less clear," said
Donati.

Brian, you are a bright guy. You could be doing so much more with your time
than the kind of muck raking that seems to get you up in the morning. Get a
life. Find a cause. Save the whales.

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"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

Quoted message said:

"The documents printed by L'Equipe are very damaging but also
unquestionable. But the paper's own position is much less clear," said
Donati.

Brian, you are a bright guy. You could be doing so much more with your
time than the kind of muck raking that seems to get you up in the morning.
Get a life. Find a cause. Save the whales.

Convert the Presbyterians to Unitarian Universalism?

B. Lafferty said:

Note what he says about the validity of the French lab's test.

news.yahoo.comcyclinggerusadoping 050831172817Open ↗

Thanks for the link Lafferty. Reading this [censored] makes everything I do seem absolutely brilliant. Please keep the comic book material to yourself .
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"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

Quoted message said:

"The documents printed by L'Equipe are very damaging but also
unquestionable. But the paper's own position is much less clear," said
Donati.

Brian, you are a bright guy. You could be doing so much more with your
time than the kind of muck raking that seems to get you up in the morning.
Get a life. Find a cause. Save the whales.

Convert the Presbyterians to Unitarian Universalism?

Whoa - I didn't know it was the Presbyterians that were killing the
whales. I thought it was Eskimos and Japanese.

Anyway, once you convert them, I'm sure they'll stop killing the
whales and start annoying the [censored] out of them by asking them to
attend meetings.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:12:34 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]>

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"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote ...
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> "The documents printed by L'Equipe are very damaging but also
> unquestionable. But the paper's own position is much less clear," said
> Donati.

Brian, you are a bright guy. You could be doing so much more with your
time than the kind of muck raking that seems to get you up in the
morning.
Get a life. Find a cause. Save the whales.

Convert the Presbyterians to Unitarian Universalism?

Whoa - I didn't know it was the Presbyterians that were killing the
whales. I thought it was Eskimos and Japanese.

Anyway, once you convert them, I'm sure they'll stop killing the
whales and start annoying the [censored] out of them by asking them to
attend meetings.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

UUs only attend meeting if the want to.

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B. Lafferty said:

Note what he says about the validity of the French lab's test.

http://tinyurl.com/c7kxj

Thanks for the link Lafferty. Reading this [censored] makes everything I do
seem absolutely brilliant. Please keep the comic book material to
yourself .

No doubt you're quite brilliant.

Bill C said:

B. Lafferty said:

Note what he says about the validity of the French lab's test.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050831/sp_wl_afp/cyclinggerusadoping_050831172817

Once again he makes accusations of steroids and other drugs without
any evidence. His only "evidence" is that "noone could do that with EPO
alone".
That's chickenshit coming from someone who was supposed to be
impartial and indicative of a real problem among the doping officials.
Either provide solid evidence or shut the hell up.
Bill C

It's all a diversion, Bill. No one wants to admit that it's not PEDs - he's
actually from Zeta Reticulae. %-)

-jet

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http://www.ergogenics.org/donati.html

This guy has an axe to grind. Nothing is more apparent. His dossier
was his account on the state of doping based in interviews and
hearsay, not facts. I've heard all sorts of stories of how prevalent
drugs are in the Euro peloton, but some based on what I've read from
Donati - the guy is a crackpot.

Which is what most of RBR seems to offer ...
--
Bonne route !

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

B. Lafferty said:

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B. Lafferty said:

Note what he says about the validity of the French lab's test.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050831/sp_wl_afp/cyclinggerusadoping_050831172817

Once again he makes accusations of steroids and other drugs without
any evidence. His only "evidence" is that "noone could do that with EPO
alone".

Recall, if you will, the steroid cream defense during the Tour and
O'Reilly's claim that he was using steroids earlier in that year. Also, the
cream that they gave the note for, wasn't what he came up positive for.

And don't forget the Bat Boy evidence!