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  1. On Monday, I took my mother to eat at IHOP. Although it was 11:15, she
    ordered breakfast. I guess she knew something that I didn't know. I ordered
    the Southwest Chicken Fajita Salad. It was a 3 on a scale of 1 to 10 with
    10 being the best.

    I have ordered this dish at several other restaurants--Chili's, Applebee's,
    Charleston's, Tia's Tex-Mex, and Uncle Julio's to name a few. What made
    this IHOP offering so bad was that the "mixed greens salad" part of it was
    nothing but iceberg lettuce. The "tortilla bowl" part of it was a fried
    tortilla bent in half like the letter "L". All that did was hide the fact
    that the portion was half of what it should be--had they used a tortilla
    shaped like a fluted bowl. The chicken consisted of tiny bits the size of
    small gravel tossed here and there---unlike the other restaurants which give
    you an entire chicken breast. There was quite a bit of carrot
    shavings--and they don't belong in a fajita dish. To make the entire dish
    totally weird, they drizzled Italian Salad dressing over the entire thing.

    The moral of the story is: don't buy the Fajita Salad at IHOP. Their
    omelets are fine, even if you do have to throw away the 3 pancakes they put
    with the omelet. And, I wouldn't even have been here if it hadn't been for
    my elderly mother--it seems the elderly love IHOP.

    Pat in TX

  2. Pat said:

    On Monday, I took my mother to eat at IHOP. Although it was 11:15, she
    ordered breakfast. I guess she knew something that I didn't know. I ordered
    the Southwest Chicken Fajita Salad. It was a 3 on a scale of 1 to 10 with
    10 being the best.

    I have ordered this dish at several other restaurants--Chili's, Applebee's,
    Charleston's, Tia's Tex-Mex, and Uncle Julio's to name a few. What made
    this IHOP offering so bad was that the "mixed greens salad" part of it was
    nothing but iceberg lettuce. The "tortilla bowl" part of it was a fried
    tortilla bent in half like the letter "L". All that did was hide the fact
    that the portion was half of what it should be--had they used a tortilla
    shaped like a fluted bowl. The chicken consisted of tiny bits the size of
    small gravel tossed here and there---unlike the other restaurants which give
    you an entire chicken breast.

    This makes a change from the complaints regarding oversized portions in
    fast food restaurants. Perhaps they are becoming a little more
    responsible and reducing their portion sizes. Sounds like a better place
    to eat than many of the places that habitually overload your plate.

    There was quite a bit of carrot

    Quoted message said:

    shavings--and they don't belong in a fajita dish. To make the entire dish
    totally weird, they drizzled Italian Salad dressing over the entire thing.

    Why? The chicken is the fajitas part of the dish, a salad is just that,
    a salad, lettuce with a dressing.

    Quoted message said:

    The moral of the story is: don't buy the Fajita Salad at IHOP. Their
    omelets are fine, even if you do have to throw away the 3 pancakes they put
    with the omelet.

    Why not just order the omelette without the pancakes?

    And, I wouldn't even have been here if it hadn't been for

    Quoted message said:

    my elderly mother--it seems the elderly love IHOP.

    Then you made her happy; wasn't that why you went there?

    The complaints that you have with the restaurant are not necessarily
    things that other *dieters* would regard as a problem.

    This seems an unusual newsgroup to air a complaint about not being
    served enough food. Oversized portions are what led to many of the
    people on this newsgroup gaining weight.

    Regards

    David

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  3. J. David Anderson wrote:
    || Pat wrote:
    ||
    ||| On Monday, I took my mother to eat at IHOP. Although it was 11:15,
    ||| she ordered breakfast. I guess she knew something that I didn't
    ||| know. I ordered the Southwest Chicken Fajita Salad. It was a 3 on
    ||| a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being the best.
    |||
    ||| I have ordered this dish at several other restaurants--Chili's,
    ||| Applebee's, Charleston's, Tia's Tex-Mex, and Uncle Julio's to name
    ||| a few. What made this IHOP offering so bad was that the "mixed
    ||| greens salad" part of it was nothing but iceberg lettuce. The
    ||| "tortilla bowl" part of it was a fried tortilla bent in half like
    ||| the letter "L". All that did was hide the fact that the portion
    ||| was half of what it should be--had they used a tortilla shaped like
    ||| a fluted bowl. The chicken consisted of tiny bits the size of small
    ||| gravel tossed here and there---unlike the other restaurants which
    ||| give you an entire chicken breast.
    ||
    ||
    || This makes a change from the complaints regarding oversized portions
    || in
    || fast food restaurants. Perhaps they are becoming a little more
    || responsible and reducing their portion sizes. Sounds like a better
    || place
    || to eat than many of the places that habitually overload your plate.
    ||
    || There was quite a bit of carrot
    ||| shavings--and they don't belong in a fajita dish. To make the
    ||| entire dish totally weird, they drizzled Italian Salad dressing
    ||| over the entire thing.
    ||
    || Why? The chicken is the fajitas part of the dish, a salad is just
    || that,
    || a salad, lettuce with a dressing.
    ||
    ||
    ||| The moral of the story is: don't buy the Fajita Salad at IHOP.
    ||| Their omelets are fine, even if you do have to throw away the 3
    ||| pancakes they put with the omelet.
    ||
    || Why not just order the omelette without the pancakes?
    ||
    || And, I wouldn't even have been here if it hadn't been for
    ||| my elderly mother--it seems the elderly love IHOP.
    ||
    || Then you made her happy; wasn't that why you went there?
    ||
    ||
    || The complaints that you have with the restaurant are not necessarily
    || things that other *dieters* would regard as a problem.
    ||
    || This seems an unusual newsgroup to air a complaint about not being
    || served enough food. Oversized portions are what led to many of the
    || people on this newsgroup gaining weight.

    Why do you assume that the meal would have been oversized? Not all places
    serve oversized portions, and the dish as very little chicken on it and a
    lot of lettuce. Why do you assume that one must get cheated in order to
    avoid excess?

  4. Roger Zoul said:

    ||| The moral of the story is: don't buy the Fajita Salad at IHOP.
    ||| Their omelets are fine, even if you do have to throw away the 3
    ||| pancakes they put with the omelet.
    ||
    || Why not just order the omelette without the pancakes?
    ||
    || And, I wouldn't even have been here if it hadn't been for
    ||| my elderly mother--it seems the elderly love IHOP.
    ||
    || Then you made her happy; wasn't that why you went there?
    ||
    ||
    || The complaints that you have with the restaurant are not necessarily
    || things that other *dieters* would regard as a problem.
    ||
    || This seems an unusual newsgroup to air a complaint about not being
    || served enough food. Oversized portions are what led to many of the
    || people on this newsgroup gaining weight.

    Why do you assume that the meal would have been oversized?

    I didn't. Why do presume that I did?

    I commented on the change in style of complaint, usually the complaints
    on diet related groups have to do with oversizing.

    Not all places

    Quoted message said:

    serve oversized portions, and the dish as very little chicken on it and a
    lot of lettuce. Why do you assume that one must get cheated in order to
    avoid excess?

    I didn't assume anything of the sort. Why would serving a meal with
    portion sizes smaller than expected be "cheating"? There is no standard
    size for meals. Any business that "cheated" as a matter of course,
    particularly one relying on repeat custom, would hardly survive. They in
    all likelihood have a great many other customers who are quite happy
    with the quality and size of their meals.

    There can be a wide range in portion sizes among restaurants,
    particularly the better quality restaurants. Many of the fast food
    restaurants do serve exceptionally large portion sizes, a commonly
    accepted problem, recognised from Federal Government levels down. This
    restaurant was fast food, not a la Carte, that makes it unusual for it
    to serve small portions.

    As I said before, perhaps they are accepting responsibility and reducing
    portion sizes. Even McDonald's (Australia) has publicly added smaller
    portions to its menus. A great many people who are used to the very
    large portion sizes are going to be complaining as more fast food
    outlets start reducing portions. A great many more will accept that it
    is a necessary step in reducing obesity.

    Regards

    David

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  5. J. David Anderson wrote:
    || Roger Zoul wrote:
    ||
    ||
    |||||| The moral of the story is: don't buy the Fajita Salad at IHOP.
    |||||| Their omelets are fine, even if you do have to throw away the 3
    |||||| pancakes they put with the omelet.
    |||||
    ||||| Why not just order the omelette without the pancakes?
    |||||
    ||||| And, I wouldn't even have been here if it hadn't been for
    |||||| my elderly mother--it seems the elderly love IHOP.
    |||||
    ||||| Then you made her happy; wasn't that why you went there?
    |||||
    |||||
    ||||| The complaints that you have with the restaurant are not
    ||||| necessarily things that other *dieters* would regard as a problem.
    |||||
    ||||| This seems an unusual newsgroup to air a complaint about not being
    ||||| served enough food. Oversized portions are what led to many of the
    ||||| people on this newsgroup gaining weight.
    |||
    ||| Why do you assume that the meal would have been oversized?
    ||
    || I didn't. Why do presume that I did?

    Because you wrote:

    ||||| The complaints that you have with the restaurant are not
    ||||| necessarily things that other *dieters* would regard as a problem.

    This implies that a dieter (which, BTW, the OP is not) would or could not be
    upset with a portion size. It is possible to get a lot of lettuce in a meal
    but still be cheated on the protein, without the portion being oversized. I
    frequently find that in some establishments if you buy a salad, you get a
    [censored] of lettuce and not even a couple of oz of chicken, for example.
    IMO, those are ripoffs.

    ||
    || I commented on the change in style of complaint, usually the
    || complaints
    || on diet related groups have to do with oversizing.

    I disagree. I've been here a long time and most dieters know that they must
    control portion intake to lose weight. The size of a serving in a restaurant
    has almost nothing to do with obesity - that is generally the result of
    people simply eating too much.

    ||
    || Not all places
    ||| serve oversized portions, and the dish as very little chicken on it
    ||| and a lot of lettuce. Why do you assume that one must get cheated
    ||| in order to avoid excess?
    ||
    || I didn't assume anything of the sort. Why would serving a meal with
    || portion sizes smaller than expected be "cheating"? There is no
    || standard size for meals. Any business that "cheated" as a matter of
    || course, particularly one relying on repeat custom, would hardly
    || survive. They in all likelihood have a great many other customers
    || who are quite happy
    || with the quality and size of their meals.
    ||

    That's nonsense and you know it. If you order a meal at a restaurant, there
    are expectations based on how much people typically eat and how much they
    spend for it. How else would there be a notion of "oversized" portions.

    Why do you think the OP is saying don't order this meal at IHOP? That is
    what causes a business to lose business. Geez.

    || There can be a wide range in portion sizes among restaurants,
    || particularly the better quality restaurants. Many of the fast food
    || restaurants do serve exceptionally large portion sizes, a commonly
    || accepted problem, recognised from Federal Government levels down.
    || This restaurant was fast food, not a la Carte, that makes it unusual
    || for it
    || to serve small portions.

    What is considered an oversized portion depends on who is sitting before it.
    Restaurants have to cater to people of many sizes, with many different
    activity levels, and vast differences in age, so the issue is not as nearly
    as simple as that.

    ||
    || As I said before, perhaps they are accepting responsibility and
    || reducing portion sizes. Even McDonald's (Australia) has publicly
    || added smaller portions to its menus. A great many people who are
    || used to the very
    || large portion sizes are going to be complaining as more fast food
    || outlets start reducing portions. A great many more will accept that
    || it
    || is a necessary step in reducing obesity.

    [censored]! It is not the responsibility of any restaurant to try to reduce
    portion sizes. It is the responsibility of those eating there to limit how
    much they eat, as well as what they eat. No restaurant can force anyone to
    eat a portion that is too large. I've been out with many normal weight
    people who simply take the part they can't eat home if it is too big. Put
    the blame for obesity in the right place. No one makes me eat too much and
    no one controls what I eat - aside from me.

  6. "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    J. David Anderson wrote:
    || Pat wrote:
    ||
    ||| On Monday, I took my mother to eat at IHOP. Although it was 11:15,
    ||| she ordered breakfast. I guess she knew something that I didn't
    ||| know. I ordered the Southwest Chicken Fajita Salad. It was a 3 on
    ||| a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being the best.
    |||
    ||| I have ordered this dish at several other restaurants--Chili's,
    ||| Applebee's, Charleston's, Tia's Tex-Mex, and Uncle Julio's to name
    ||| a few. What made this IHOP offering so bad was that the "mixed
    ||| greens salad" part of it was nothing but iceberg lettuce. The
    ||| "tortilla bowl" part of it was a fried tortilla bent in half like
    ||| the letter "L". All that did was hide the fact that the portion
    ||| was half of what it should be--had they used a tortilla shaped like
    ||| a fluted bowl. The chicken consisted of tiny bits the size of small
    ||| gravel tossed here and there---unlike the other restaurants which
    ||| give you an entire chicken breast.
    ||
    ||
    || This makes a change from the complaints regarding oversized portions
    || in
    || fast food restaurants. Perhaps they are becoming a little more
    || responsible and reducing their portion sizes. Sounds like a better
    || place
    || to eat than many of the places that habitually overload your plate.
    ||
    || There was quite a bit of carrot
    ||| shavings--and they don't belong in a fajita dish. To make the
    ||| entire dish totally weird, they drizzled Italian Salad dressing
    ||| over the entire thing.
    ||
    || Why? The chicken is the fajitas part of the dish, a salad is just
    || that,
    || a salad, lettuce with a dressing.
    ||
    ||
    ||| The moral of the story is: don't buy the Fajita Salad at IHOP.
    ||| Their omelets are fine, even if you do have to throw away the 3
    ||| pancakes they put with the omelet.
    ||
    || Why not just order the omelette without the pancakes?
    ||
    || And, I wouldn't even have been here if it hadn't been for
    ||| my elderly mother--it seems the elderly love IHOP.
    ||
    || Then you made her happy; wasn't that why you went there?
    ||
    ||
    || The complaints that you have with the restaurant are not necessarily
    || things that other *dieters* would regard as a problem.
    ||
    || This seems an unusual newsgroup to air a complaint about not being
    || served enough food. Oversized portions are what led to many of the
    || people on this newsgroup gaining weight.

    Why do you assume that the meal would have been oversized? Not all places
    serve oversized portions, and the dish as very little chicken on it and a
    lot of lettuce. Why do you assume that one must get cheated in order to
    avoid excess?

    almost every restaurant meal i've eaten is bigger than it should be
    unless i've done a ton of exercise that day.


  7. Quoted message said:


    There was quite a bit of carrot

    Quoted message said:

    shavings--and they don't belong in a fajita dish. To make the entire


    dish

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    totally weird, they drizzled Italian Salad dressing over the entire


    thing.

    Quoted message said:


    Why? The chicken is the fajitas part of the dish, a salad is just that,
    a salad, lettuce with a dressing.

    No, you're wrong there. This dish isn't supposed to be an Italian salad. It
    is supposed to be a fajita dish served without the flour tortillas. The
    name: Southwest Chicken Fajita Salad. It is NOT an ordinary salad.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The moral of the story is: don't buy the Fajita Salad at IHOP. Their
    omelets are fine, even if you do have to throw away the 3 pancakes they


    put

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    with the omelet.

    Why not just order the omelette without the pancakes?

    Well, of course you could tell the server "don't bring the pancakes." but,
    that is throwing away money, now, isn't it? When you order the omelet dish,
    the price of the pancakes are figured in; they do not give you a reduction
    in price if you don't have the pancakes.

    Quoted message said:


    And, I wouldn't even have been here if it hadn't been for

    Quoted message said:

    my elderly mother--it seems the elderly love IHOP.

    Quoted message said:

    Then you made her happy; wasn't that why you went there?

    Oh, she was happy; she had eggs, bacon, and toast, i.e., breakfast. I am
    just saying that IHOP may specialize in breakfast dishes but beware of their
    dinner offerings as they don't do as good a job there.

    Quoted message said:

    The complaints that you have with the restaurant are not necessarily
    things that other *dieters* would regard as a problem.

    I don't follow your reasoning. If you ordered a TexMex dish and got
    something Italian, wouldn't you complain about it? That's what I did.
    Maybe it's a "truth in advertising" problem.

    Quoted message said:


    This seems an unusual newsgroup to air a complaint about not being
    served enough food. Oversized portions are what led to many of the
    people on this newsgroup gaining weight.

    Quoted message said:

    Regards

    David

    I don't believe I complained about "not being served enough food". I
    remarked that IHOP did some trickery to disguise the fact that they charged
    the same as the other restaurants but delivered 1/2 the portion. Their
    "tortilla bowl" wasn't a bowl at all. By delivering half the product, I
    believe they should have reduced the price as well.

    Pat in TX

  8. Pat wrote:
    ||| There was quite a bit of carrot
    |||| shavings--and they don't belong in a fajita dish. To make the
    |||| entire dish totally weird, they drizzled Italian Salad dressing
    |||| over the entire thing.
    |||
    ||| Why? The chicken is the fajitas part of the dish, a salad is just
    ||| that,
    ||| a salad, lettuce with a dressing.
    ||
    || No, you're wrong there. This dish isn't supposed to be an Italian
    || salad. It is supposed to be a fajita dish served without the flour
    || tortillas. The name: Southwest Chicken Fajita Salad. It is NOT an
    || ordinary salad.
    ||
    ||
    |||
    |||
    |||| The moral of the story is: don't buy the Fajita Salad at IHOP.
    |||| Their omelets are fine, even if you do have to throw away the 3
    |||| pancakes they put with the omelet.
    |||
    ||| Why not just order the omelette without the pancakes?
    ||
    || Well, of course you could tell the server "don't bring the
    || pancakes." but, that is throwing away money, now, isn't it? When
    || you order the omelet dish, the price of the pancakes are figured in;
    || they do not give you a reduction in price if you don't have the
    || pancakes.
    ||
    |||
    ||| And, I wouldn't even have been here if it hadn't been for
    |||| my elderly mother--it seems the elderly love IHOP.
    ||
    ||| Then you made her happy; wasn't that why you went there?
    ||
    || Oh, she was happy; she had eggs, bacon, and toast, i.e., breakfast.
    || I am just saying that IHOP may specialize in breakfast dishes but
    || beware of their dinner offerings as they don't do as good a job
    || there.
    ||
    ||| The complaints that you have with the restaurant are not necessarily
    ||| things that other *dieters* would regard as a problem.
    ||
    || I don't follow your reasoning. If you ordered a TexMex dish and got
    || something Italian, wouldn't you complain about it? That's what I
    || did. Maybe it's a "truth in advertising" problem.
    ||
    |||
    ||| This seems an unusual newsgroup to air a complaint about not being
    ||| served enough food. Oversized portions are what led to many of the
    ||| people on this newsgroup gaining weight.
    ||
    ||| Regards
    |||
    ||| David
    ||
    || I don't believe I complained about "not being served enough food". I
    || remarked that IHOP did some trickery to disguise the fact that they
    || charged the same as the other restaurants but delivered 1/2 the
    || portion. Their "tortilla bowl" wasn't a bowl at all. By delivering
    || half the product, I believe they should have reduced the price as
    || well.

    To put David's spin on it, they're now attempting to to be "responsible" by
    serving non-oversized meals at the same price as they charged for oversized
    meals. I wonder how many people buy into that....

  9. Quoted message said:

    From: "Pat" [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    (Snipped) I wouldn't even have been here if it hadn't been for
    my elderly mother--it seems the elderly love IHOP.

    Sorry your salad was so lousy. Another reminder that it's best to stick with
    what a restaurant does best. In this case, breakfast items, as your mama well
    knew.

    Speaking of portion sizes:
    As an "ederly," you're right, we love anyplace that gives you more food than
    you can possibly eat. More value for the buck. In my case, I order and then
    ask for a take-out box. I immediately put half my untouched meal in the box
    for later. If you wait to put what you can't eat into a doggy bag, you will
    eat way too much and the what's left will look like you scraped it off the side
    of a garbage can.

    I think it's absurd to expect a restaurant to down-size portions as if they
    were responsible for what I put into my mouth.

    How old is "Elderly," anyway?

    Henrietta

  10. "Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    No, you're wrong there. This dish isn't supposed to be an Italian salad.


    It

    Quoted message said:

    is supposed to be a fajita dish served without the flour tortillas. The
    name: Southwest Chicken Fajita Salad. It is NOT an ordinary salad.

    Exactly. It's not a side salad, but rather a meal salad. As such, one would
    tend to expect at least several ounces of chicken, enough protein and
    calories to constitute a meal. What IHOP served appears to have been a
    scanty side-type salad with minimal chicken (or other protein) plopped on a
    fried tortilla and passed off as a whole meal salad... which obviously it
    isn't. I'd have been ticked off too, and I appreciate you giving a warning.
    I've had this happen a few times, and it's aggravating because you don't
    even get enough calories to last till the next meal. Even McDonalds and
    other fast food places understand that a meal salad needs to contain a
    meal's worth of chicken or other protein. I'd say this would have warranted
    a complaint to the manager without you being considered overly picky.

    HG

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The moral of the story is: don't buy the Fajita Salad at IHOP. Their
    omelets are fine, even if you do have to throw away the 3 pancakes


    they

    Quoted message said:

    put

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    with the omelet.

    Why not just order the omelette without the pancakes?

    Well, of course you could tell the server "don't bring the pancakes." but,
    that is throwing away money, now, isn't it? When you order the omelet


    dish,

    Quoted message said:

    the price of the pancakes are figured in; they do not give you a reduction
    in price if you don't have the pancakes.

    Quoted message said:


    And, I wouldn't even have been here if it hadn't been for

    Quoted message said:

    my elderly mother--it seems the elderly love IHOP.

    Quoted message said:

    Then you made her happy; wasn't that why you went there?

    Oh, she was happy; she had eggs, bacon, and toast, i.e., breakfast. I am
    just saying that IHOP may specialize in breakfast dishes but beware of


    their

    Quoted message said:

    dinner offerings as they don't do as good a job there.

    Quoted message said:

    The complaints that you have with the restaurant are not necessarily
    things that other *dieters* would regard as a problem.

    I don't follow your reasoning. If you ordered a TexMex dish and got
    something Italian, wouldn't you complain about it? That's what I did.
    Maybe it's a "truth in advertising" problem.

    Quoted message said:


    This seems an unusual newsgroup to air a complaint about not being
    served enough food. Oversized portions are what led to many of the
    people on this newsgroup gaining weight.

    Quoted message said:

    Regards

    David

    I don't believe I complained about "not being served enough food". I
    remarked that IHOP did some trickery to disguise the fact that they


    charged

    Quoted message said:

    the same as the other restaurants but delivered 1/2 the portion. Their
    "tortilla bowl" wasn't a bowl at all. By delivering half the product, I
    believe they should have reduced the price as well.

    Pat in TX

  11. Way to go Roger. I was wondering if this guy has an IHOP franchise.

    --
    Bear-
    Grrrrrrrrrrrr :o)

    "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    J. David Anderson wrote:
    || Roger Zoul wrote:
    ||
    ||
    |||||| The moral of the story is: don't buy the Fajita Salad at IHOP.
    |||||| Their omelets are fine, even if you do have to throw away the 3
    |||||| pancakes they put with the omelet.
    |||||
    ||||| Why not just order the omelette without the pancakes?
    |||||
    ||||| And, I wouldn't even have been here if it hadn't been for
    |||||| my elderly mother--it seems the elderly love IHOP.
    |||||
    ||||| Then you made her happy; wasn't that why you went there?
    |||||
    |||||
    ||||| The complaints that you have with the restaurant are not
    ||||| necessarily things that other *dieters* would regard as a problem.
    |||||
    ||||| This seems an unusual newsgroup to air a complaint about not being
    ||||| served enough food. Oversized portions are what led to many of the
    ||||| people on this newsgroup gaining weight.
    |||
    ||| Why do you assume that the meal would have been oversized?
    ||
    || I didn't. Why do presume that I did?

    Because you wrote:

    ||||| The complaints that you have with the restaurant are not
    ||||| necessarily things that other *dieters* would regard as a problem.

    This implies that a dieter (which, BTW, the OP is not) would or could not


    be

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    upset with a portion size. It is possible to get a lot of lettuce in a


    meal

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    but still be cheated on the protein, without the portion being oversized.


    I

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    frequently find that in some establishments if you buy a salad, you get a
    [censored] of lettuce and not even a couple of oz of chicken, for example.
    IMO, those are ripoffs.

    ||
    || I commented on the change in style of complaint, usually the
    || complaints
    || on diet related groups have to do with oversizing.

    I disagree. I've been here a long time and most dieters know that they


    must

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    control portion intake to lose weight. The size of a serving in a


    restaurant

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    has almost nothing to do with obesity - that is generally the result of
    people simply eating too much.

    ||
    || Not all places
    ||| serve oversized portions, and the dish as very little chicken on it
    ||| and a lot of lettuce. Why do you assume that one must get cheated
    ||| in order to avoid excess?
    ||
    || I didn't assume anything of the sort. Why would serving a meal with
    || portion sizes smaller than expected be "cheating"? There is no
    || standard size for meals. Any business that "cheated" as a matter of
    || course, particularly one relying on repeat custom, would hardly
    || survive. They in all likelihood have a great many other customers
    || who are quite happy
    || with the quality and size of their meals.
    ||

    That's nonsense and you know it. If you order a meal at a restaurant,


    there

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    are expectations based on how much people typically eat and how much they
    spend for it. How else would there be a notion of "oversized" portions.

    Why do you think the OP is saying don't order this meal at IHOP? That is
    what causes a business to lose business. Geez.

    || There can be a wide range in portion sizes among restaurants,
    || particularly the better quality restaurants. Many of the fast food
    || restaurants do serve exceptionally large portion sizes, a commonly
    || accepted problem, recognised from Federal Government levels down.
    || This restaurant was fast food, not a la Carte, that makes it unusual
    || for it
    || to serve small portions.

    What is considered an oversized portion depends on who is sitting before


    it.

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    Restaurants have to cater to people of many sizes, with many different
    activity levels, and vast differences in age, so the issue is not as


    nearly

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    as simple as that.

    ||
    || As I said before, perhaps they are accepting responsibility and
    || reducing portion sizes. Even McDonald's (Australia) has publicly
    || added smaller portions to its menus. A great many people who are
    || used to the very
    || large portion sizes are going to be complaining as more fast food
    || outlets start reducing portions. A great many more will accept that
    || it
    || is a necessary step in reducing obesity.

    [censored]! It is not the responsibility of any restaurant to try to reduce
    portion sizes. It is the responsibility of those eating there to limit


    how

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    much they eat, as well as what they eat. No restaurant can force anyone


    to

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    eat a portion that is too large. I've been out with many normal weight
    people who simply take the part they can't eat home if it is too big. Put
    the blame for obesity in the right place. No one makes me eat too much


    and

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    no one controls what I eat - aside from me.

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    So what makes you eat it all?

    Gluttony.


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    Exactly. It's not a side salad, but rather a meal salad. As such, one


    would

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    tend to expect at least several ounces of chicken, enough protein and
    calories to constitute a meal. What IHOP served appears to have been a
    scanty side-type salad with minimal chicken (or other protein) plopped on


    a

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    fried tortilla and passed off as a whole meal salad... which obviously it
    isn't. I'd have been ticked off too, and I appreciate you giving a


    warning.

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    I've had this happen a few times, and it's aggravating because you don't
    even get enough calories to last till the next meal. Even McDonalds and
    other fast food places understand that a meal salad needs to contain a
    meal's worth of chicken or other protein. I'd say this would have


    warranted

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    a complaint to the manager without you being considered overly picky.

    HG

    Well, I wrote to the IHOP headquarters and told them their salad needed to
    be reformulated because it was a substandard offering. To my surprise, they
    wrote back like this:

    Thank you for taking the time to contact us concerning your experience at
    the IHOP in Denison. While it is always disappointing to learn that we have
    not lived up to our guest's expectations, it is invaluable to receive
    feedback so that we are able to continually improve our level of guest
    satisfaction.

    We are sorry to learn of your displeasure with the Southwest Chicken Fajita
    Salad at this location. Please be assured that the matter will be shared
    with the proper individuals to address your concerns in this restaurant.

    I have forwarded your concerns to IHOP's Franchise Business Consultant for
    the Southwest region. They will contact the franchise owner regarding your
    comments on the salad.

    Thank you for keeping us informed.

    Sincerely,

    Terry Rose
    Guest Services Representative
    IHOP Restaurant Support Center

    They are acting as if the problem is with the restaurant or its manager when
    the problem lies in the "recipe" for the dish! I wrote them right back and
    said (in so many words) "Didn't you even READ what I wrote? The problem is
    not that the dish was prepared wrong--but that its conception was flawed."

    sigh.

    Pat in TX

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    > The moral of the story is: don't buy the Fajita Salad at IHOP.


    Their

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    > omelets are fine, even if you do have to throw away the 3 pancakes


    they

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    put

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    > with the omelet.

    Why not just order the omelette without the pancakes?

    Well, of course you could tell the server "don't bring the pancakes."


    but,

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    that is throwing away money, now, isn't it? When you order the omelet


    dish,

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    the price of the pancakes are figured in; they do not give you a


    reduction

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    in price if you don't have the pancakes.

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    And, I wouldn't even have been here if it hadn't been for
    > my elderly mother--it seems the elderly love IHOP.

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    Then you made her happy; wasn't that why you went there?

    Oh, she was happy; she had eggs, bacon, and toast, i.e., breakfast. I am
    just saying that IHOP may specialize in breakfast dishes but beware of


    their

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    dinner offerings as they don't do as good a job there.

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    The complaints that you have with the restaurant are not necessarily
    things that other *dieters* would regard as a problem.

    I don't follow your reasoning. If you ordered a TexMex dish and got
    something Italian, wouldn't you complain about it? That's what I did.
    Maybe it's a "truth in advertising" problem.

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    This seems an unusual newsgroup to air a complaint about not being
    served enough food. Oversized portions are what led to many of the
    people on this newsgroup gaining weight.

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    Regards

    David

    I don't believe I complained about "not being served enough food". I
    remarked that IHOP did some trickery to disguise the fact that they


    charged

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    the same as the other restaurants but delivered 1/2 the portion. Their
    "tortilla bowl" wasn't a bowl at all. By delivering half the product, I
    believe they should have reduced the price as well.

    Pat in TX


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    Sorry your salad was so lousy. Another reminder that it's best to stick


    with

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    what a restaurant does best. In this case, breakfast items, as your mama


    well

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    knew.

    You are right!

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    Speaking of portion sizes:
    As an "elderly," you're right, we love anyplace that gives you more food


    than

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    you can possibly eat. More value for the buck. In my case, I order and


    then

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    ask for a take-out box. I immediately put half my untouched meal in the


    box

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    for later. If you wait to put what you can't eat into a doggy bag, you


    will

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    eat way too much and the what's left will look like you scraped it off the


    side

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    of a garbage can.

    I think it's absurd to expect a restaurant to down-size portions as if


    they

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    were responsible for what I put into my mouth.

    How old is "Elderly," anyway?

    Henrietta

    Well, my Mom is 86 and I guess I tend to think that's "elderly." On the
    other hand, she was talking about somebody the other day and said, "He's one
    of the old timers around here." So, I guess it depends upon your outlook,
    not your age. What I meant by the "elderly like this restaurant" quip was
    that the majority of their patrons seem to be over 70 years old. Whenever I
    go out with my Mom and her friends, they don't want to go to Chili's or
    similar restaurants as they complain that restaurants aimed at younger
    people are "too noisy" and "too busy".

    You are correct in that they give a lot of food for the price, and I think
    their omelets are exceptional. I can't comment on the coffee as I don't
    drink that. And, I can't comment on the pancakes or all of the various
    incarnations of pancakes and waffles they serve (I don't know what a German
    pancake is, for example) or on the various syrups they have. It's a good
    place to get good value for your money. Just don't order the Southwest
    Chicken Fajita Salad and expect to be pleased with it.

    Pat in TX

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    Well, of course you could tell the server "don't bring the pancakes."
    but, that is throwing away money, now, isn't it? When you order the
    omelet dish, the price of the pancakes are figured in; they do not
    give you a reduction in price if you don't have the pancakes.

    At my local IHOP I've gotten them to sub something else for the pancakes.
    Last time was a small dish of strawberries and cantaloupe chunks, quite
    lovely. I only ever eat breakfast food at IHOP. I don't think they really do
    anything else well. And of course at 11:15 that would certainly be breakfast
    meal time for me. That's way too early for me to think about "lunch" foods
    yet. :-)
    --
    Debbie

  16. Debbie Cusick said:
    Pat said:


    Well, of course you could tell the server "don't bring the pancakes."
    but, that is throwing away money, now, isn't it? When you order the
    omelet dish, the price of the pancakes are figured in; they do not
    give you a reduction in price if you don't have the pancakes.

    At my local IHOP I've gotten them to sub something else for the pancakes.
    Last time was a small dish of strawberries and cantaloupe chunks, quite
    lovely.

    I've never had a problem getting local IHOPs to substitute something
    else for pancakes, like a scoop of cottage cheese, or some lettuce
    and tomato. Of course, asking for a substitute that's more expensive,
    such as extra bacon, is probably not going to get your request honored
    without a fee.

    In case it hasn't been mentioned in this thread, IHOP typically adds
    some pancake batter to omelets to make them fluffier, unless you
    specifically ask them to use only egg.

    --
    jamie ([email hidden])

    "There's a seeker born every minute."

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