Dog walkers beware

On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:09:20 +0100, Roger <[email hidden]>

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Yesterdays Independent carried a short piece about a 66 year old woman
who had been trampled to death by a herd of cows with young calves. Her
dog was uninjured.

Presumably this occured on a public footpath so should dog walkers go
armed so that aggresive cows could be shot when they attacked? It is
after all by no means the first case of its kind.

We had a herd of bullocks charging towards us when out in the
Yorkshire Wolds last week. I expect they thought we were feeding
them, but jumped over the nearest wall just in case...

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Roger said:

Quoted message said:

Yesterdays Independent carried a short piece about a 66 year old woman
who had been trampled to death by a herd of cows with young calves. Her
dog was uninjured.

Presumably this occured on a public footpath so should dog walkers go
armed so that aggresive cows could be shot when they attacked? It is
after all by no means the first case of its kind.

We had a herd of bullocks charging towards us when out in the
Yorkshire Wolds last week. I expect they thought we were feeding
them, but jumped over the nearest wall just in case...

Even problems in Bushy Park near Hampton Court. The deer have had their
young in unusual places this year as the bracken hasn't grown like normal
and some dog walkers have found to their cost that allowing their dog to
snuffle in the long grass is not a good idea as there can be youngsters
around with a very protective mother close by. A number of people have been
attacked and I understand one poor woman ended up in the lake to escape but
the deer followed her in there too.
I might add some of these attacks are due to ignorance or plain stupidity "
I just wanted to stroke the little bamby" was one comment a relative heard.

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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:09:20 +0100, Roger <[email hidden]>
wrote:

| Yesterdays Independent carried a short piece about a 66 year old woman
| who had been trampled to death by a herd of cows with young calves. Her
| dog was uninjured.
|
| Presumably this occured on a public footpath so should dog walkers go
| armed so that aggresive cows could be shot when they attacked? It is
| after all by no means the first case of its kind.

The common thread running through these reports is the presence of *dogs*.
All dogs (which will not *quietly* walk to heel) should be on a short lead
when near livestock.

It is the dog which can legally be shot for worrying livestock.
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Dave Fawthrop said:

All dogs (which will not *quietly* walk to heel) should be on a short lead
when near livestock.

Not when you're under threat from cows with calves. You should let the
dog off the lead. Dogs often act more aggressively when on a short
lead. And your own safety is paramount.
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:32:54 +0100, Rooney <[email hidden]> wrote:

| On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:06:34 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
| <[email hidden]> wrote:
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|
|
| >All dogs (which will not *quietly* walk to heel) should be on a short lead
| >when near livestock.
|
| Not when you're under threat from cows with calves. You should let the
| dog off the lead. Dogs often act more aggressively when on a short
| lead.

Then said dog should be taken on a training/obedience course, so that they
are always under the control of whoever is walking it, and *never* act
aggressively. There are such courses all over the country.

| And your own safety is paramount.

Hmmmm see first post in this thread.

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Dave Fawthrop said:

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:32:54 +0100, Rooney <[email hidden]> wrote:

| On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:06:34 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
| <[email hidden]> wrote:
|
|
|
| >All dogs (which will not *quietly* walk to heel) should be on a short lead
| >when near livestock.
|
| Not when you're under threat from cows with calves. You should let the
| dog off the lead. Dogs often act more aggressively when on a short
| lead.

Then said dog should be taken on a training/obedience course, so that they
are always under the control of whoever is walking it, and *never* act
aggressively. There are such courses all over the country.

It's not quite as simple as that. Dog obedience classes don't usually
practice being mobbed by cattle. And no dog is perfect.

Quoted message said:

| And your own safety is paramount.

Hmmmm see first post in this thread.

Precisely what I had in mind.

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Quoted message said:

On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:09:20 +0100, Roger <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Yesterdays Independent carried a short piece about a 66 year old woman
who had been trampled to death by a herd of cows with young calves. Her
dog was uninjured.

Presumably this occured on a public footpath so should dog walkers go
armed so that aggresive cows could be shot when they attacked? It is
after all by no means the first case of its kind.

The Countryside Code seems pretty sensibly written on this issue:

http://www.countrysideaccess.gov.uk/countryside_code/point_4.php

Personally I reckon you're being a bit thick walking through a field of
cows and calves with a dog.

Quoted message said:

We had a herd of bullocks charging towards us when out in the
Yorkshire Wolds last week. I expect they thought we were feeding
them, but jumped over the nearest wall just in case...

I used to do a bit of surveying in farmers' fields and found bullocks quite
good fun. If you stand around with a theodolite for 10 mins or so they
gather round to see what you're doing. A bit like the kids in the street who
used to say "take my picture mister".

Roy.

According to the Beeb, the nation is losing it's attraction for
maintaining animals in a domestic setting (pets). About time - then all
these dog / sheep / cattle issues will dissappear for good.

druidh

Roy' roy said:

Personally I reckon you're being a bit thick walking through a field of
cows and calves with a dog.

I'd go along with that. Some problems are just best avoided.
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druidh said:

According to the Beeb, the nation is losing it's attraction for
maintaining animals in a domestic setting (pets).

About as accurate as their weather forecast then!
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Personally I reckon you're being a bit thick walking through a field of
cows and calves with a dog.

Not Allways Avoidable

A local path goes through 2 cow fields,

I went through it a couple of years back after walking up the beach.

I got through the first field of cows with them standing right next to me
and staring at me (scary as hell), but by the second field of cows they just
came straight at me (slowly) so I got over the fence (top of a 10m drop to
the beach :-S)

Eventually figured away along the fence to the gate at the start of the
field, at which point i was reminded of the 2nd path up the top of the
field, yep 2 paths troden through both fields.

Wonder if the Balmerino monks had this problem?

Niall

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:32:09 +0000 (UTC), "Niall Wallace"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

|
| > Personally I reckon you're being a bit thick walking through a field of
| > cows and calves with a dog.
|
|
| Not Allways Avoidable
|
| A local path goes through 2 cow fields,
|
| I went through it a couple of years back after walking up the beach.
|
| I got through the first field of cows with them standing right next to me
| and staring at me (scary as hell), but by the second field of cows they just
| came straight at me (slowly) so I got over the fence (top of a 10m drop to
| the beach :-S)

From your description they were just curious. Had you made like a bigger
stronger cow, they would have been no problem. Had you waved a sick at
them, and shouted at them you could have driven them wherever you wanted,
at least off the path. Drive them slowly or they will clap on your boots.

On my afternoon stroll the damn things congregate on the path. I walk
straight at them, with a stick horizontal in my right hand, because I want
them to go left. They always move :-)

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Dave Fawthrop <[email hidden]> writes

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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:32:54 +0100, Rooney <[email hidden]> wrote:

| On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:06:34 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
| <[email hidden]> wrote:
|
|
|
| >All dogs (which will not *quietly* walk to heel) should be on a short lead
| >when near livestock.
|
| Not when you're under threat from cows with calves. You should let the
| dog off the lead. Dogs often act more aggressively when on a short
| lead.

Then said dog should be taken on a training/obedience course, so that they
are always under the control of whoever is walking it, and *never* act
aggressively. There are such courses all over the country.

I would phrase it differently: "A dog on a lead is at a disadvantage in
any kind of confrontation, and therefore is inclined to be ready to
defend itself".

This applies to other dogs or an approaching animal, and if I saw an
aggressive dog approaching I always released our dog, (on the rare
occasions she needed to be on a lead), to give her chance to escape.

Of course common sense says keep away from livestock if you are walking
a dog!
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There are usually a few cases a year - not that uncommon. I happened to be
in an A & E dept several years back when a woman was bought in having been
trampled by cows - not a pretty sight.

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Quoted message said:

Yesterdays Independent carried a short piece about a 66 year old woman
who had been trampled to death by a herd of cows with young calves. Her
dog was uninjured.

Presumably this occured on a public footpath so should dog walkers go
armed so that aggresive cows could be shot when they attacked? It is
after all by no means the first case of its kind.

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New - 20 (Marilyns 6, Nuttalls 5, Outlying Fells 10)
Repeats - 23 (Marilyns 7, Nuttalls 14, Wainwrights 12, Outlying Fells
0)

Quoted message said:

From your description they were just curious. Had you made like a bigger
stronger cow, they would have been no problem. Had you waved a sick at
them, and shouted at them you could have driven them wherever you wanted,
at least off the path. Drive them slowly or they will clap on your boots.

On my afternoon stroll the damn things congregate on the path. I walk
straight at them, with a stick horizontal in my right hand, because I want
them to go left. They always move :-)

I told a vet friend and she said if i had run at them they would have
scarpered cos they are thick as mince.

niall

Gordon Harris said:

Dave Fawthrop <[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:32:54 +0100, Rooney <[email hidden]> wrote:

| On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:06:34 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
| <[email hidden]> wrote:
|
|
|
| >All dogs (which will not *quietly* walk to heel) should be on a short lead
| >when near livestock.
|
| Not when you're under threat from cows with calves. You should let the
| dog off the lead. Dogs often act more aggressively when on a short
| lead.

Then said dog should be taken on a training/obedience course, so that they
are always under the control of whoever is walking it, and *never* act
aggressively. There are such courses all over the country.

I would phrase it differently: "A dog on a lead is at a disadvantage in
any kind of confrontation, and therefore is inclined to be ready to
defend itself".

This applies to other dogs or an approaching animal, and if I saw an
aggressive dog approaching I always released our dog, (on the rare
occasions she needed to be on a lead), to give her chance to escape.

Of course common sense says keep away from livestock if you are walking
a dog!

Pretty good advice imo/ime. Dogs act out of character when on a lead
and threatened.
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:10:41 +0100, Rooney <[email hidden]> wrote:

| Pretty good advice imo/ime. Dogs act out of character when on a lead
| and threatened.

That is what dog owners always say.
"He/She is as gentle as a lamb at home"
Dogs are descended from wolves and a hunters.

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Dave Fawthrop said:

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:10:41 +0100, Rooney <[email hidden]> wrote:

| Pretty good advice imo/ime. Dogs act out of character when on a lead
| and threatened.

That is what dog owners always say.

Probably because it's true.

Quoted message said:

"He/She is as gentle as a lamb at home"
Dogs are descended from wolves and a hunters.

Not sure how that connects with their behaviour when on a lead...
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In article <[email hidden]>, Rooney
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"He/She is as gentle as a lamb at home"
Dogs are descended from wolves and a hunters.

Not sure how that connects with their behaviour when on a lead...
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