Slash and burn , kill and cut , maim and destroy ,
disgusting . Maybe by all of us continuing to speak out from
all parts of the globe as we are , will make a difference ,
even one small life will make it worthwhile .
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"Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
Slash and burn , kill and cut , maim and destroy ,
disgusting .Are you talking about removing an appendix about to rupture
or removing a large but benign tumor from someone's face?Maybe by all
Quoted message said:
of us continuing to speak out from all parts of the globe
as we are ,
willQuoted message said:
make a difference , even one small life will make it
worthwhile . cancerinform.orgkids1.htmlOpen ↗--
Kim Colonics to clean out your stuffed up @$$ Of all the
toxic goodies you do not pass Globs of gunk and the mucus
you store Parasites, flukes and worms galore So take a
colonic so you can pass All these nasties from your
paracitized @$$..... The most amazing BS artists there are:
members.rogers.comindex.htmlOpen ↗
geocities.comQuackery.htmlOpen ↗
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Quoted message said:
Subject: Does This Make You Angry ? Or Just Sad ?
From: "Bew" qw@nonamewhatsover
Date: 3/31/2004 8:57 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>Slash and burn , kill and cut , maim and destroy ,
disgusting . Maybe by all of us continuing to speak out
from all parts of the globe as we are , will make a
difference , even one small life will make it worthwhile .It makes me both sad and angry. The evidence is overwhelmng
that Dr Burzynski is getting great results, yet the *gang*
here is whining about his degree, and at the same time going
ballistic about other articles not to their liking.Jan
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In article said:
Slash and burn , kill and cut , maim and destroy ,
disgusting . Maybe by all of us continuing to speak out
from all parts of the globe as we are , will make a
difference , even one small life will make it worthwhile .It makes me sad that people are still spreading wild stories
about the wonders of Burzynski's treatment. Does that count?Quoted message said:
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT) -
If Burzynski were getting such "great results" with
overwhelming evidence, the stock in his Institute wouldn't
be selling for 17 cents a share...that's "penny stock".
Rather, it'd be SOARING. That tells a lot in my book. -
Quoted message said:
Subject: Re: Does This Make You Angry ? Or Just Sad ?
From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 3/31/2004 9:05 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>In article <[email hidden]>, Bew
qw@nonamewhatsover said:
Slash and burn , kill and cut , maim and destroy ,
disgusting . Maybe by all of us continuing to speak out
from all parts of the globe as we are , will make a
difference , even one small life will make it worthwhile .It makes me sad that people are still spreading wild
stories about the wonders of Burzynski's treatment. Does
that count?As a lie??
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Jan
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Stock prices are not related to company success of product.
Stock prices are related to market perception only. To
think otherwise is only deceptive brainwashing by clever
sales people.I have no idea what you are talking about.
<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:11531-406B8BA3-31@storefull-
3134.bay.webtv.net...Quoted message said:
If Burzynski were getting such "great results" with
overwhelming evidence, the stock in his Institute wouldn't
be selling for 17 cents a share...that's "penny stock".
Rather, it'd be SOARING. That tells a lot in my book. -
Why would the NCI's internal documents make comments on
Burtzinski's treatments that these 'responses were real' if
they didn't think they were? Anth"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040331214017.04435.00000445@mb-
m17.aol.com...Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Subject: Does This Make You Angry ? Or Just Sad ? From:
"Bew" qw@nonamewhatsover Date: 3/31/2004 8:57 AM Central
Standard Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>Slash and burn , kill and cut , maim and destroy ,
disgusting . Maybe by
allQuoted message said:
Quoted message said:
of us continuing to speak out from all parts of the globe
as we are ,
willQuoted message said:
Quoted message said:
make a difference , even one small life will make it
worthwhile .It makes me both sad and angry. The evidence is
overwhelmng that Dr
BurzynskiQuoted message said:
is getting great results, yet the *gang* here is whining
about his degree,
andQuoted message said:
at the same time going ballistic about other articles not
to their liking.Jan
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Quoted message said:
If Burzynski were getting such "great results" with
overwhelming evidence, the stock in his Institute wouldn't
be selling for 17 cents a share...that's "penny stock".
Rather, it'd be SOARING. That tells a lot in my book.Yeah, why isn't Eeeeeeevil Oooooorganized Medicine buying
him out in order to suppress this "healing" modality? -
"Kim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
"Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
Slash and burn , kill and cut , maim and destroy ,
disgusting .Are you talking about removing an appendix about to
rupture or removing a large but benign tumor from
someone's face?Maybe by all
Quoted message said:
of us continuing to speak out from all parts of the
globe as we are ,
willQuoted message said:
make a difference , even one small life will make it
worthwhile . cancerinform.orgkids1.htmlOpen ↗...........................................................-
................. ................................... Are
you a polititician ? , you seem to have a huge problem
sticking to the subject matter . In fact you are as
transparent as glass , you steer the conversation in a very
obvious way and attempt to control it , very childlike . The
subject was concerning the children being denied a freedom
of choice , the freedom to live and have treatment as the
people who loved them the most wanted for their children . I
can only imagine the hatred the parents must have for for
those like you who foist your own beliefs onto others , you
have no valid excuse . So, would you care to comment on that
situation in the article or prefere to dissosaciate yourself
from the brutal realities of "medicine by force " which
would seem most common in your world . ....................-
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(Jan) said:
Quoted message said:
Subject: Re: Does This Make You Angry ? Or Just Sad ?
From: "Anth" [email hidden] Date: 4/1/2004 1:54
AM Central Standard Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>Why would the NCI's internal documents make comments on
Burtzinski's treatments that these 'responses were real'
if they didn't think they were? AnthJust look at how organized medicine has fought this man!!!
If they would leave him alone a cure might have been found
long ago. Too much EGO, and too much $$$$ involved.Jan seems to be quite sure that his treatments have worked.
This must mean that she has direct personal experience with
his treatments. After all according to Jan, unless you have
actual personal experience you have no business in making
definitive assertions.Oh, that is right. The rules only apply to others; not to
Jan. Sorry bout that.Aloha,
Rich
Quoted message said:
JanQuoted message said:
"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040331214017.04435.00000445@mb-
m17.aol.com...Quoted message said:
>Subject: Does This Make You Angry ? Or Just Sad ? From:
>"Bew" qw@nonamewhatsover Date: 3/31/2004 8:57 AM
>Central Standard Time Message-id:
><[email hidden]>
>
>Slash and burn , kill and cut , maim and destroy ,
>disgusting . Maybe by
allQuoted message said:
>of us continuing to speak out from all parts of the
>globe as we are ,
willQuoted message said:
>make a difference , even one small life will make it
>worthwhile .
>
>cancerinform.orgkids1.htmlOpen ↗It makes me both sad and angry. The evidence is
overwhelmng that Dr
BurzynskiQuoted message said:
is getting great results, yet the *gang* here is whining
about his degree,
andQuoted message said:
at the same time going ballistic about other articles
not to their liking.Jan
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-------------------------------------------------The best defense to logic is ignorance
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Quoted message said:
At 18 cents a share, on the OTC BB (how low can you get?),
there's no "perception" or "reality" for this company or
its "products". It's a "stinkeroo".Let's have a look at the corporate balance sheet.
--W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
[email hidden] -
17 cents per share up to 18 cents per share? That's
big increase and obviously a booming stock. Where can
i get some?<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:11529-406BA5AA-200@storefull-
3134.bay.webtv.net...Quoted message said:
At 18 cents a share, on the OTC BB (how low can you get?),
there's no "perception" or "reality" for this company or
its "products". It's a "stinkeroo". -
"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
In article <[email hidden]>, Bew
<qw@nonamewhatsover>Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Slash and burn , kill and cut , maim and destroy ,
disgusting . Maybe by
allQuoted message said:
Quoted message said:
of us continuing to speak out from all parts of the globe
as we are ,
willQuoted message said:
Quoted message said:
make a difference , even one small life will make it
worthwhile .It makes me sad that people are still spreading wild
stories about the wonders of Burzynski's treatment. Does
that count?Quoted message said:
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
...........................................................-
................. ..... People such as you make me sad , and
all those who allowed a fool like kathy or whatever she or
he call themself to blatantly turn the subject of the
children to a banal discussion about irrelevant stuff . Do
you have a valid opinion about the suffering and deaths of
the kids in the story , any thoughts at all apart from a
stupid inability to let go your agenda and your sheep like
following of the heard ? ..................................-
.......................................... ............ -
In article said:
"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
In article <[email hidden]>, Bew
<qw@nonamewhatsover>Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Slash and burn , kill and cut , maim and destroy ,
disgusting . Maybe by
allQuoted message said:
Quoted message said:
of us continuing to speak out from all parts of the
globe as we are ,
willQuoted message said:
Quoted message said:
make a difference , even one small life will make it
worthwhile .It makes me sad that people are still spreading wild
stories about the wonders of Burzynski's treatment. Does
that count?Quoted message said:
People such as you make me sad , and all those who allowed
a fool like kathy or whatever she or he call themself to
blatantly turn the subject of the children to a banal
discussion about irrelevant stuff .My posting was perfectly relevant -- it commented on the URL
you posted. I don't happen to think Burzynski is really on
to anything; there's nothing very impressive about his
results so far, though the money he takes in from the
patients he treats is very impressive indeed.Quoted message said:
Do you have a valid opinion about the suffering and deaths
of the kids in the story , any thoughts at all apart from a
stupid inability to let go your agenda and your sheep like
following of the heard ?Oh, golly, I'm soooo impressed with self-impressed
"independent thinkers" like yourself -- who follow the
"alternative" party line with the same sheep-like devotion
you prefer to attribute to others. Others, that is to say,
who have standards that insist on evidence. Real evidence,
not isolated stories.-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT) -
"Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
"Kim" <[email hidden]> wrote in messageQuoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Are you talking about removing an appendix about to
rupture or removing
aQuoted message said:
Quoted message said:
large but benign tumor from someone's face?
................................... Are you a polititician
? , you seem to have a huge problem sticking to the
subject matter .That is the subject matter. You said "slash and burn"
didn't you?In fact you are as transparent as glass , you steer the
Quoted message said:
conversation in a very obvious way and attempt to control
it , very childlike .And your MISDIRECTION is very dishonest. Now answer the
questions re' slash and burn. How would you remove an ugly
tumor off someone's face without surgery? Or treat a
ruptured or close to ruptured appendix without the "slash"
of surgery?
--
Kim Colonics to clean out your stuffed up @$$ Of all the
toxic goodies you do not pass Globs of gunk and the mucus
you store Parasites, flukes and worms galore So take a
colonic so you can pass All these nasties from your
paracitized @$$..... The most amazing BS artists there are:
members.rogers.comindex.htmlOpen ↗
geocities.comQuackery.htmlOpen ↗
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"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
In article <[email hidden]>, Bew
qw@nonamewhatsover said:
"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
In article <[email hidden]>, Bew
<qw@nonamewhatsover>Quoted message said:
>Slash and burn , kill and cut , maim and destroy ,
>disgusting . Maybe
byQuoted message said:
Quoted message said:
all
Quoted message said:
>of us continuing to speak out from all parts of the
>globe as we are ,
willQuoted message said:
>make a difference , even one small life will make it
>worthwhile .It makes me sad that people are still spreading wild
stories about the wonders of Burzynski's treatment.
Does that count?
People such as you make me sad , and all those who
allowed a fool like
kathyQuoted message said:
Quoted message said:
or whatever she or he call themself to blatantly turn the
subject of the children to a banal discussion about
irrelevant stuff .My posting was perfectly relevant -- it commented on the
URL you posted. I don't happen to think Burzynski is
really on to anything; there's nothing very impressive
about his results so far, though the money he takes in
from the patients he treats is very impressive indeed.Quoted message said:
Do you have a valid opinion about the suffering and
deaths of the kids in the story , any thoughts at all
apart from a stupid inability to let go your agenda and
your sheep like following of the heard ?Oh, golly, I'm soooo impressed with self-impressed
"independent thinkers" like yourself -- who follow the
"alternative" party line with the same sheep-like devotion
you prefer to attribute to others. Others, that is to say,
who have standards that insist on evidence. Real evidence,
not isolated stories.-- David Wright ::
..........................................................-
.... Ho Hum : Do you have a valid opinion about the
suffering and deaths of the kids in the story ? , perhaps
even something better to offer for the children of the
future ? .................................................-
.............. -
In article said:
"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
In article <[email hidden]>, Bew
qw@nonamewhatsover said:
"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message -"]news:[email hidden]-
gy.com...
> In article <[email hidden]>, Bew
> <qw@nonamewhatsover>
wrote:
> >Slash and burn , kill and cut , maim and destroy ,
> >disgusting . Maybe
byQuoted message said:
Quoted message said:
all
> >of us continuing to speak out from all parts of the
> >globe as we are ,
will
> >make a difference , even one small life will make it
> >worthwhile .
>
> It makes me sad that people are still spreading wild
> stories about the wonders of Burzynski's treatment.
> Does that count?
>
> >cancerinform.orgkids1.htmlOpen ↗
>
People such as you make me sad , and all those who
allowed a fool like
kathyQuoted message said:
Quoted message said:
or whatever she or he call themself to blatantly turn
the subject of the children to a banal discussion about
irrelevant stuff .My posting was perfectly relevant -- it commented on the
URL you posted. I don't happen to think Burzynski is
really on to anything; there's nothing very impressive
about his results so far, though the money he takes in
from the patients he treats is very impressive indeed.Quoted message said:
Do you have a valid opinion about the suffering and
deaths of the kids in the story , any thoughts at all
apart from a stupid inability to let go your agenda and
your sheep like following of the heard ?Oh, golly, I'm soooo impressed with self-impressed
"independent thinkers" like yourself -- who follow the
"alternative" party line with the same sheep-like
devotion you prefer to attribute to others. Others, that
is to say, who have standards that insist on evidence.
Real evidence, not isolated stories.-- David Wright ::
.......................................................-
....... Ho Hum : Do you have a valid opinion about the
suffering and deaths of the kids in the story ? ,
perhaps even something better to offer for the children
of the future ?I'm opposed to the suffering and death of most people, with
exceptions for spammers and people who consistently post
gibberish. I'm certainly against the suffering of children.However, the fact that I don't have any magic options up my
sleeve does not mean that Burzynski has the answer.-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT) -
"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
In article <[email hidden]>, Bew
qw@nonamewhatsover said:
"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
In article <[email hidden]>, Bew
<qw@nonamewhatsover>Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
>
>"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in
>message -"]news:[email hidden]-
>digy.com...
>> In article <[email hidden]>, Bew
<qw@nonamewhatsover>Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
>wrote:
>> >Slash and burn , kill and cut , maim and destroy ,
>> >disgusting .
MaybeQuoted message said:
Quoted message said:
by
Quoted message said:
>all
>> >of us continuing to speak out from all parts of the
>> >globe as we are
,Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
>will
>> >make a difference , even one small life will make
>> >it worthwhile .
>>
>> It makes me sad that people are still spreading wild
>> stories about
theQuoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
>> wonders of Burzynski's treatment. Does that count?
>>
>> >cancerinform.orgkids1.htmlOpen ↗
>>
>People such as you make me sad , and all those who
>allowed a fool like
kathyQuoted message said:
>or whatever she or he call themself to blatantly turn
>the subject of
theQuoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
>children to a banal discussion about irrelevant
>stuff .My posting was perfectly relevant -- it commented on
the URL you posted. I don't happen to think Burzynski
is really on to anything; there's nothing very
impressive about his results so far, though the money
he takes in from the patients he treats is very
impressive indeed.>Do you have a valid opinion about the suffering and
>deaths of the kids in the story , any thoughts at all
>apart from a stupid inability to let go your agenda
>and your sheep like following of the heard ?Oh, golly, I'm soooo impressed with self-impressed
"independent thinkers" like yourself -- who follow the
"alternative" party line with the same sheep-like
devotion you prefer to attribute to others. Others,
that is to say, who have standards that insist on
evidence. Real evidence, not isolated stories.-- David Wright ::
........................................................-
...... Ho Hum : Do you have a valid opinion about the
suffering and deaths of the kids in the story ? , perhaps
even something better to offer for the children of the
future ?I'm opposed to the suffering and death of most people,
with exceptions for spammers and people who consistently
post gibberish. I'm certainly against the suffering of
children.However, the fact that I don't have any magic options up
my sleeve does not mean that Burzynski has the answer.-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
;;;;;;;;;;;;;; I don't need tag every post with a
meaningless second hand quote to make myself seem clever.
Sorry , but your response is good enough , and I am sure you
know it . That response is just a cop out . You admit you
don't have the answer yet you would prevent people from
seeking elsewhere ? EVERYONE else in this world knows
something you don't ,so where do you and your peers get off
setting yourselves up as the medical censors ? You don't
have any magic options , the families involved certainly
found that out the hard way , didn't they ? and maybe
Burzynski doesn't either, but who are you to deny others the
opportunity of finding out for themselves? Get off your high
horse and hope that you are never in the position those
people found themselves in . Freedom of choice is what they
rightly expected , not who is right or wrong
. For you and those like you everything comes down to
numbers , prove this , prove that , not once do any of
your kind ever talk about people , to you they are just a
statistic for review.
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; -
In article said:
"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
In article <[email hidden]>, Bew
qw@nonamewhatsover said:
"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message
"]news:[email hidden]...
> In article <[email hidden]>, Bew
> <qw@nonamewhatsover>Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> >
> >"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in
> >message -"]news:[email hidden]-
> >odigy.com...
> >> In article <[email hidden]>, Bew
<qw@nonamewhatsover>Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> >wrote:
> >> >Slash and burn , kill and cut , maim and destroy ,
> >> >disgusting .
MaybeQuoted message said:
Quoted message said:
by
> >all
> >> >of us continuing to speak out from all parts of
> >> >the globe as we are
,Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> >will
> >> >make a difference , even one small life will make
> >> >it worthwhile .
> >>
> >> It makes me sad that people are still spreading
> >> wild stories about
theQuoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> >> wonders of Burzynski's treatment. Does that count?
> >>
> >> >cancerinform.orgkids1.htmlOpen ↗
> >>
> >People such as you make me sad , and all those who
> >allowed a fool like
kathy
> >or whatever she or he call themself to blatantly turn
> >the subject of
theQuoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> >children to a banal discussion about irrelevant
> >stuff .
>
> My posting was perfectly relevant -- it commented on
> the URL you posted. I don't happen to think Burzynski
> is really on to anything; there's nothing very
> impressive about his results so far, though the money
> he takes in from the patients he treats is very
> impressive indeed.
>
> >Do you have a valid opinion about the suffering and
> >deaths of the kids in the story , any thoughts at all
> >apart from a stupid inability to let go your agenda
> >and your sheep like following of the heard ?
>
> Oh, golly, I'm soooo impressed with self-impressed
> "independent thinkers" like yourself -- who follow the
> "alternative" party line with the same sheep-like
> devotion you prefer to attribute to others. Others,
> that is to say, who have standards that insist on
> evidence. Real evidence, not isolated stories.
>
> -- David Wright ::
.......................................................-
....... Ho Hum : Do you have a valid opinion about the
suffering and deaths of the kids in the story ? ,
perhaps even something better to offer for the children
of the future ?I'm opposed to the suffering and death of most people,
with exceptions for spammers and people who consistently
post gibberish. I'm certainly against the suffering of
children.However, the fact that I don't have any magic options up
my sleeve does not mean that Burzynski has the answer.
;;;;;;;;;;;;;; I don't need tag every post with a
meaningless second hand quote to make myself seem clever.No, it will take far more than that.
Quoted message said:
Sorry , but your response is good enough ,
If my response is good enough, why are you sorry?
Quoted message said:
and I am sure you know it .
Yep.
Quoted message said:
That response is just a cop out .
No, it's not. It's a recognition that the world doesn't
always work the way we wish it did, and whining will not
change that.Quoted message said:
You admit you don't have the answer yet you would prevent
people from seeking elsewhere ?I never said I'd prevent anyone from seeking anything, you
self- righteous, comprehension-impaired twit. Show me where
I ever said I'd do anything of the sort.Quoted message said:
EVERYONE else in this world knows something you don't ,so
where do you and your peers get off setting yourselves up
as the medical censors ?I haven't censored anything, dimwit.
Quoted message said:
You don't have any magic options , the families involved
certainly found that out the hard way , didn't they ?But they could go find out, after spending 25 grand, that
Burzynski doesn't have it either.Quoted message said:
and maybe Burzynski doesn't either, but who are you to deny
others the opportunity of finding out for themselves?I haven't denied them anything. All I've said is I wasn't
impressed with Burzynski's results. And I'm not. What's your
beef with that? That I'm not as credulous as you are?Quoted message said:
Get off your high horse and hope that you are never in the
position those people found themselves in . Freedom of
choice is what they rightly expected , not who is right or
wrong . For you and those like you everything comes down to
numbers , prove this , prove that , not once do any of your
kind ever talk about people , to you they are just a
statistic for review.No, they're people. Even you're a person -- and I'm going to
do you more courtesy than you did me, and avoid making
mindless generalizations about you.By the way, what do you have against proof? (Not that
there's any such thing in science -- a fact usually not
known to scientific illiterates like yourself.)-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
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