does the Diabetes Assoc. even know what a carb is

TC said:

go to:

http://www.diabetes.org/all-about-diabetes/chan_eng/i3/i3p4.htm

This is their "Rate Your Plate" web page utility. Select the steak, the
tomatoes, the salad and the brocoli. They tell you that you have no
carbs!!!!!

Here is the message they give you:

"Whoops! You need some carbohydrates on your plate. Keep trying."

Hilarious, absolutely hilarious. And these yahoos are the Gods of
diabetes education. F**king morons.

TC

This is the breakdown for the American Diabetes Association concept of
what is a carb and what isn't.

Carbs:
Pears
Peas
Corn
Pineapple
Grapes
Rice
Apple
Yams
Potatoes
Papya
Toast
Totilla Chips

Vegetables which are apparently not carbs:
Bell Peppers
Mushrooms
Carrots
Red Cabbage
Cucumbers
Asparagus
Spinach
Kale
Salad
Tomato
Celery
Broccoli

How on earth did they come up with this breakdown? Maybe those
producers of the non-carb vegetables did not give enough donations to
the Diabetes Association?

TC

TC said:

TC said:

go to:

http://www.diabetes.org/all-about-diabetes/chan_eng/i3/i3p4.htm

This is their "Rate Your Plate" web page utility. Select the steak, the
tomatoes, the salad and the brocoli. They tell you that you have no
carbs!!!!!

Here is the message they give you:

"Whoops! You need some carbohydrates on your plate. Keep trying."

Hilarious, absolutely hilarious. And these yahoos are the Gods of
diabetes education. F**king morons.

TC

This is the breakdown for the American Diabetes Association concept of
what is a carb and what isn't.

Carbs:
Pears
Peas
Corn
Pineapple
Grapes
Rice
Apple
Yams
Potatoes
Papya
Toast
Totilla Chips

Vegetables which are apparently not carbs:
Bell Peppers
Mushrooms
Carrots
Red Cabbage
Cucumbers
Asparagus
Spinach
Kale
Salad
Tomato
Celery
Broccoli

How on earth did they come up with this breakdown?

I know that this is difficult for your simple mind but obviously the
breakdown is not foods that have ZERO carbs and those that have carbs.
Obviously you have figured out that a potato does not have 1/4 carb
but it means that your plate has approx 1/4 carbs or your plate has
1/2 2/3 or all carbs. A tomato on your plate does mean 1/4 of your
meal is coming from carbs.

It is a very dumbed down model but obviously not dumb enough for you
to understand.

jt said:

TC said:

TC said:

go to:

http://www.diabetes.org/all-about-diabetes/chan_eng/i3/i3p4.htm

This is their "Rate Your Plate" web page utility. Select the steak, the
tomatoes, the salad and the brocoli. They tell you that you have no
carbs!!!!!

Here is the message they give you:

"Whoops! You need some carbohydrates on your plate. Keep trying."

Hilarious, absolutely hilarious. And these yahoos are the Gods of
diabetes education. F**king morons.

TC

This is the breakdown for the American Diabetes Association concept of
what is a carb and what isn't.

Carbs:
Pears
Peas
Corn
Pineapple
Grapes
Rice
Apple
Yams
Potatoes
Papya
Toast
Totilla Chips

Vegetables which are apparently not carbs:
Bell Peppers
Mushrooms
Carrots
Red Cabbage
Cucumbers
Asparagus
Spinach
Kale
Salad
Tomato
Celery
Broccoli

How on earth did they come up with this breakdown?

I know that this is difficult for your simple mind but obviously the
breakdown is not foods that have ZERO carbs and those that have carbs.
Obviously you have figured out that a potato does not have 1/4 carb
but it means that your plate has approx 1/4 carbs or your plate has
1/2 2/3 or all carbs. A tomato on your plate does mean 1/4 of your
meal is coming from carbs.

It is a very dumbed down model but obviously not dumb enough for you
to understand.

I never suggested that a potato contained 1/4 carb. Or a quarter gram
of carb, or a quarter pound of carb. And I know what they mean about
approx. 1/4 of the meal being carbs. And I know that it is supposed to
be a rough estimation only and thoroughly dumbed down.

What I am saying, and I'll write this very slowly so that you can
understand, is that they arbitrarily choose to call some produce
vegetables and some produce carbs. That is the pinnacle of idiocy.
Unless, of course, they are specifically trying to push certain veggies
above others. And that is entirely possible, because they get a pile of
funding from the food industry and the food industry will be looking
for ROI, return on investment, quid pro quo.

All the produce are carbs and should all be counted as such. It cannot
be possibly be dumbed down any further than that.

The frightening thing about this extreme dumbing down is that idiots
like you actually buy into it.

TC

TC said:

jt said:

TC said:

TC wrote:
> go to:
>
> http://www.diabetes.org/all-about-diabetes/chan_eng/i3/i3p4.htm
>
> This is their "Rate Your Plate" web page utility. Select the steak, the
> tomatoes, the salad and the brocoli. They tell you that you have no
> carbs!!!!!
>
> Here is the message they give you:
>
> "Whoops! You need some carbohydrates on your plate. Keep trying."
>
> Hilarious, absolutely hilarious. And these yahoos are the Gods of
> diabetes education. F**king morons.
>
> TC

This is the breakdown for the American Diabetes Association concept of
what is a carb and what isn't.

Carbs:
Pears
Peas
Corn
Pineapple
Grapes
Rice
Apple
Yams
Potatoes
Papya
Toast
Totilla Chips

Vegetables which are apparently not carbs:
Bell Peppers
Mushrooms
Carrots
Red Cabbage
Cucumbers
Asparagus
Spinach
Kale
Salad
Tomato
Celery
Broccoli

Quoted message said:

What I am saying, and I'll write this very slowly so that you can
understand, is that they arbitrarily choose to call some produce
vegetables and some produce carbs. That is the pinnacle of idiocy.

So are you saying there is NO difference in the carb content between
the 2 lists? Are you really saying that a serving spinach and celery
have the same or more carbs than a serving of potatos or rice?

Can you provide one example of a item on the vegtable list that has
more carbs per serving than the foods on the carb list? There really
does not seem to be anything arbitrary about it.

jt said:

TC said:

jt said:

On 23 Dec 2005 07:25:21 -0800, "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>
>TC wrote:
>> go to:
>>
>> http://www.diabetes.org/all-about-diabetes/chan_eng/i3/i3p4.htm
>>
>> This is their "Rate Your Plate" web page utility. Select the steak, the
>> tomatoes, the salad and the brocoli. They tell you that you have no
>> carbs!!!!!
>>
>> Here is the message they give you:
>>
>> "Whoops! You need some carbohydrates on your plate. Keep trying."
>>
>> Hilarious, absolutely hilarious. And these yahoos are the Gods of
>> diabetes education. F**king morons.
>>
>> TC
>
>This is the breakdown for the American Diabetes Association concept of
>what is a carb and what isn't.
>
>Carbs:
>Pears
>Peas
>Corn
>Pineapple
>Grapes
>Rice
>Apple
>Yams
>Potatoes
>Papya
>Toast
>Totilla Chips
>
>Vegetables which are apparently not carbs:
>Bell Peppers
>Mushrooms
>Carrots
>Red Cabbage
>Cucumbers
>Asparagus
>Spinach
>Kale
>Salad
>Tomato
>Celery
>Broccoli

Quoted message said:

What I am saying, and I'll write this very slowly so that you can
understand, is that they arbitrarily choose to call some produce
vegetables and some produce carbs. That is the pinnacle of idiocy.

So are you saying there is NO difference in the carb content between
the 2 lists? Are you really saying that a serving spinach and celery
have the same or more carbs than a serving of potatos or rice?

Can you provide one example of a item on the vegtable list that has
more carbs per serving than the foods on the carb list? There really
does not seem to be anything arbitrary about it.

No. What I am saying this:

What the hell is wrong with a plate containing a protein portion,
salad, broccoli and cucumbers without potatoes or yams or rice?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact it is significant
superior to a plate with a protein portion and potatoes or yams or
rice.

And for the American Diabetes Association to say otherwise is
ludicrous.

And, BTW, since when is a fungus a vegetable?

Obviously, the ADA has an agenda which does not include scientific and
nutritional logic and common sense.

Is that clear enough, or dumbed down enough for you?

TC

"What the hell is wrong with a plate containing a protein portion, salad,
broccoli and cucumbers without potatoes or yams or rice?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact it is significant
superior to a plate with a protein portion and potatoes or yams or rice.

And for the American Diabetes Association to say otherwise is ludicrous.

And, BTW, since when is a fungus a vegetable?"

One assumes you are speaking of a diabetic here? The real point is the
amount of insulin available to a diabetic balanced against the number of
carbs consumed relative to an a1c goal which is strongly related to post
meal glucose levels. As long as one reaches the goal set by working
backwards to moderate carbs until the goal is met, all is fine. Whole
versions of carb foods have nutritional value in addition to the basic
energy they provide. The impact on the rate and amplitude of the carb
source,ie. the glycenic index/load, also figure in reaching this goal.
What is a veggie is broadly culturally defined, many fruits as a botanist
would see them are said to be veggies; mushrooms etc. are likewise defined
in common usage when addressing the general population.

TC said:

jt said:

TC said:

jt wrote:
> On 23 Dec 2005 07:25:21 -0800, "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >
> >TC wrote:
> >> go to:
> >>
> >> http://www.diabetes.org/all-about-diabetes/chan_eng/i3/i3p4.htm
> >>
> >> This is their "Rate Your Plate" web page utility. Select the steak, the
> >> tomatoes, the salad and the brocoli. They tell you that you have no
> >> carbs!!!!!
> >>
> >> Here is the message they give you:
> >>
> >> "Whoops! You need some carbohydrates on your plate. Keep trying."
> >>
> >> Hilarious, absolutely hilarious. And these yahoos are the Gods of
> >> diabetes education. F**king morons.
> >>
> >> TC
> >
> >This is the breakdown for the American Diabetes Association concept of
> >what is a carb and what isn't.
> >
> >Carbs:
> >Pears
> >Peas
> >Corn
> >Pineapple
> >Grapes
> >Rice
> >Apple
> >Yams
> >Potatoes
> >Papya
> >Toast
> >Totilla Chips
> >
> >Vegetables which are apparently not carbs:
> >Bell Peppers
> >Mushrooms
> >Carrots
> >Red Cabbage
> >Cucumbers
> >Asparagus
> >Spinach
> >Kale
> >Salad
> >Tomato
> >Celery
> >Broccoli

Quoted message said:

What I am saying, and I'll write this very slowly so that you can
understand, is that they arbitrarily choose to call some produce
vegetables and some produce carbs. That is the pinnacle of idiocy.

So are you saying there is NO difference in the carb content between
the 2 lists? Are you really saying that a serving spinach and celery
have the same or more carbs than a serving of potatos or rice?

Can you provide one example of a item on the vegtable list that has
more carbs per serving than the foods on the carb list? There really
does not seem to be anything arbitrary about it.

No. What I am saying this:

What the hell is wrong with a plate containing a protein portion,
salad, broccoli and cucumbers without potatoes or yams or rice?

Nothing but that has nothing to do with what a carb is and isn't which
is what started this off.

Quoted message said:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact it is significant
superior to a plate with a protein portion and potatoes or yams or
rice.

And for the American Diabetes Association to say otherwise is
ludicrous.

It is a stupid model for stupid people who can not bother to learn
nutrtion beyond looking at a pyramid etc. Obviously fats are
necessary as well but not according to this model.

Quoted message said:

And, BTW, since when is a fungus a vegetable?

Obviously, the ADA has an agenda which does not include scientific and
nutritional logic and common sense.

What agenda exactly? Are you saying the rice and potato farmers are
shoveling more money than the beef industry?

jt said:

TC said:

jt said:

On 23 Dec 2005 08:40:17 -0800, "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>
>jt wrote:
>> On 23 Dec 2005 07:25:21 -0800, "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >TC wrote:
>> >> go to:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.diabetes.org/all-about-diabetes/chan_eng/i3/i3p4.htm
>> >>
>> >> This is their "Rate Your Plate" web page utility. Select the steak, the
>> >> tomatoes, the salad and the brocoli. They tell you that you have no
>> >> carbs!!!!!
>> >>
>> >> Here is the message they give you:
>> >>
>> >> "Whoops! You need some carbohydrates on your plate. Keep trying."
>> >>
>> >> Hilarious, absolutely hilarious. And these yahoos are the Gods of
>> >> diabetes education. F**king morons.
>> >>
>> >> TC
>> >
>> >This is the breakdown for the American Diabetes Association concept of
>> >what is a carb and what isn't.
>> >
>> >Carbs:
>> >Pears
>> >Peas
>> >Corn
>> >Pineapple
>> >Grapes
>> >Rice
>> >Apple
>> >Yams
>> >Potatoes
>> >Papya
>> >Toast
>> >Totilla Chips
>> >
>> >Vegetables which are apparently not carbs:
>> >Bell Peppers
>> >Mushrooms
>> >Carrots
>> >Red Cabbage
>> >Cucumbers
>> >Asparagus
>> >Spinach
>> >Kale
>> >Salad
>> >Tomato
>> >Celery
>> >Broccoli

>What I am saying, and I'll write this very slowly so that you can
>understand, is that they arbitrarily choose to call some produce
>vegetables and some produce carbs. That is the pinnacle of idiocy.

So are you saying there is NO difference in the carb content between
the 2 lists? Are you really saying that a serving spinach and celery
have the same or more carbs than a serving of potatos or rice?

Can you provide one example of a item on the vegtable list that has
more carbs per serving than the foods on the carb list? There really
does not seem to be anything arbitrary about it.

No. What I am saying this:

What the hell is wrong with a plate containing a protein portion,
salad, broccoli and cucumbers without potatoes or yams or rice?

Nothing but that has nothing to do with what a carb is and isn't which
is what started this off.

Quoted message said:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact it is significant
superior to a plate with a protein portion and potatoes or yams or
rice.

And for the American Diabetes Association to say otherwise is
ludicrous.

It is a stupid model for stupid people who can not bother to learn
nutrtion beyond looking at a pyramid etc. Obviously fats are
necessary as well but not according to this model.

Quoted message said:

And, BTW, since when is a fungus a vegetable?

Obviously, the ADA has an agenda which does not include scientific and
nutritional logic and common sense.

What agenda exactly? Are you saying the rice and potato farmers are
shoveling more money than the beef industry?

You figure it out.

http://www.diabetes.org/support-the-cause/our-national-corporate-sponsors.jsp

TC

"TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

TC said:

go to:

http://www.diabetes.org/all-about-diabetes/chan_eng/i3/i3p4.htm

This is their "Rate Your Plate" web page utility. Select the steak, the
tomatoes, the salad and the brocoli. They tell you that you have no
carbs!!!!!

Here is the message they give you:

"Whoops! You need some carbohydrates on your plate. Keep trying."

Hilarious, absolutely hilarious. And these yahoos are the Gods of
diabetes education. F**king morons.

TC

This is the breakdown for the American Diabetes Association concept of
what is a carb and what isn't.

Carbs:
Pears
Peas
Corn
Pineapple
Grapes
Rice
Apple
Yams
Potatoes
Papya
Toast
Totilla Chips

Vegetables which are apparently not carbs:
Bell Peppers
Mushrooms
Carrots
Red Cabbage
Cucumbers
Asparagus
Spinach
Kale
Salad
Tomato
Celery
Broccoli

How on earth did they come up with this breakdown? Maybe those
producers of the non-carb vegetables did not give enough donations to
the Diabetes Association?

Both lists contain carbs. The first list is higher
glycemic index foods than the second. I doubt
very much that they say the second list has no
carbs. The second list also has lower calorie
density.

GWC

"TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
And, BTW, since when is a fungus a vegetable?

If we divide all matter and entities into the popular
three kingdoms: animal, vegetable, mineral, how
would you classify mushrooms or other fungi? I and
most other folks would call shiitakes and portabello
mushrooms vegetables. BTW, the cited fungi above
have very low glycemic index and very low calorie
density, wonderful foods for folks trying to lose weight.
If Atkins had eaten more portabellos and fewer veal
chops, he might be alive today.

GWC

"George Cherry" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
And, BTW, since when is a fungus a vegetable?

If we divide all matter and entities into the popular
three kingdoms: animal, vegetable, mineral, how
would you classify mushrooms or other fungi?

We know TC has his own kingdoms. 😉

Quoted message said:

I and
most other folks would call shiitakes and portabello
mushrooms vegetables. BTW, the cited fungi above
have very low glycemic index and very low calorie
density, wonderful foods for folks trying to lose weight.

As I said mushroom and barley soup - deliciuos.

Quoted message said:

If Atkins had eaten more portabellos and fewer veal
chops, he might be alive today.

Probably lost his balance for lack of muscle glycogen, bonked, and
cracked his noggin. Since his fad diet book had fallen from favor, as
all fad diets do, he was selling copies on the street corner along with
the fake Rolex watches and Gucci Pocketbooks. A sad sight. He had his
moment in the sun and now the estate gets the dwindling money.

Is South Beach the diet de jour?

-DF

"TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

TC said:

go to:

http://www.diabetes.org/all-about-diabetes/chan_eng/i3/i3p4.htm

This is their "Rate Your Plate" web page utility. Select the steak, the
tomatoes, the salad and the brocoli. They tell you that you have no
carbs!!!!!

Here is the message they give you:

"Whoops! You need some carbohydrates on your plate. Keep trying."

Hilarious, absolutely hilarious. And these yahoos are the Gods of
diabetes education. F**king morons.

TC

This is the breakdown for the American Diabetes Association concept of
what is a carb and what isn't.

Carbs:
Pears
Peas
Corn
Pineapple
Grapes
Rice
Apple
Yams
Potatoes
Papya
Toast
Totilla Chips

Vegetables which are apparently not carbs:
Bell Peppers
Mushrooms
Carrots
Red Cabbage
Cucumbers
Asparagus
Spinach
Kale
Salad
Tomato
Celery
Broccoli

How on earth did they come up with this breakdown? Maybe those
producers of the non-carb vegetables did not give enough donations to
the Diabetes Association?

The second set of foods does contain carbs. If you are following the
diabetic exchange plan, any food with 15g of carb per serving is considered
a carb. 1 carb = 1 serving of carb, or 15 g. Foods with less carbs are not
considered carbs unless you eat more than 2 servings of them at one time.
In this case, they must be counted as a carb. Perhaps their reasoning comes
from assuming that very few people would actually consume that many
vegetables at one time. And indeed, the first time I saw a dietician, I was
told, "You eat too many vegetables!" This came as a bit of a shock to me.
How could this be possible? I was a vegetarian at the time and my diet was
mainly vegetables. I ate a lot of salad. Seems perfectly harmless. But
really, if you have diabetes and you do eat a large salad, you could be
consuming more carbs than you realize.

--
See my webpage:
http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm

"jt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

TC said:

jt said:

On 23 Dec 2005 07:25:21 -0800, "TC" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>
>TC wrote:
>> go to:
>>
>> http://www.diabetes.org/all-about-diabetes/chan_eng/i3/i3p4.htm
>>
>> This is their "Rate Your Plate" web page utility. Select the steak,

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> tomatoes, the salad and the brocoli. They tell you that you have no
>> carbs!!!!!
>>
>> Here is the message they give you:
>>
>> "Whoops! You need some carbohydrates on your plate. Keep trying."
>>
>> Hilarious, absolutely hilarious. And these yahoos are the Gods of
>> diabetes education. F**king morons.
>>
>> TC
>
>This is the breakdown for the American Diabetes Association concept of
>what is a carb and what isn't.
>
>Carbs:
>Pears
>Peas
>Corn
>Pineapple
>Grapes
>Rice
>Apple
>Yams
>Potatoes
>Papya
>Toast
>Totilla Chips
>
>Vegetables which are apparently not carbs:
>Bell Peppers
>Mushrooms
>Carrots
>Red Cabbage
>Cucumbers
>Asparagus
>Spinach
>Kale
>Salad
>Tomato
>Celery
>Broccoli

Quoted message said:

What I am saying, and I'll write this very slowly so that you can
understand, is that they arbitrarily choose to call some produce
vegetables and some produce carbs. That is the pinnacle of idiocy.

So are you saying there is NO difference in the carb content between
the 2 lists? Are you really saying that a serving spinach and celery
have the same or more carbs than a serving of potatos or rice?

Can you provide one example of a item on the vegtable list that has
more carbs per serving than the foods on the carb list? There really
does not seem to be anything arbitrary about it.

There is nothing arbitrary about it. The second set of foods contains a lot
less carbs than the first one. If you are a diabetic, the foods in the
second set are considered "free" foods. That means you can eat a serving or
two of these foods any time you want. They do not contain enough carbs in
those portions to raise BG (blood glucose). But eat three servings at once
and you might be eating enough carbs to raise BG. Of course, this is a
generalization. Many types of lettuce or greens have so little carbs they
could be eaten freely.

--
See my webpage:
http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm

JT (Julie) is right. Let me lay it out for you:

Non-starchy vegetables (including fungi, which are of similar
nutritional value) do contain carbohydrates. However, the amount in a
serving (1 cup for fresh, 1/2 a cup for cooked) is minimal (about 5
grams). In addition, vegetables are high in fiber per serving. Included
in the "Total Carbohydrate" section of the Nutrition Facts label, is
fiber. In order to determine the carbohydrates that will actually
affect blood sugar, you subtract the number of grams of fiber from the
total carbohydrate.
For example, according to the USDA Food comp tables, 1 cup of chopped
broccoli contains 6 grams of total carbohydrates. However, it also
contains 2.4 grams of fiber. Subtracting 2.4 from 6 leaves 3.6 grams of
carbohydrate that impact blood sugar.

These carbohydrates are usually "free" in terms of diabetic meal
planning for three reasons:
1) The fact that each serving contains less than 5 grams of
carbohydrates that impact blood sugar
2) The fact that vegetables typically contain high amounts of fiber per
serving, and fiber tends to slow the emptying of the stomach, as well
as blunting the rapidity of carbohydrate absorption.
3) Vegetables are highly nutritious (vitamins, minerals, antioxidants)
and diabetics are encouraged to consume them for optimum health.

I hope that this straightens things out.

On 25 Dec 2005 04:46:59 -0800, [email hidden] wrote in
<news:[email hidden]> on
sci.med.nutrition :

Quoted message said:

3) Vegetables are highly nutritious (vitamins, minerals, antioxidants)
and diabetics are encouraged to consume them for optimum health.

And not just diabetics, I daresay. 🙂

--
Enrico C

* cut the ending "cut-togli.invalid" string when replying by email *

"George Cherry" <GWCherryHatesGreenEggsAndSpam@alum

Quoted message said:

If Atkins had eaten more portabellos and fewer veal
chops, he might be alive today.

Kindly amuse us all by explaining how such measures would have prevented
Atkins slipping on that frozen pavement? Come on, the laugh will do us good.

Bonf.

"'Bonfire of the Deities...'" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"George Cherry" <GWCherryHatesGreenEggsAndSpam@alum

Quoted message said:

If Atkins had eaten more portabellos and fewer veal
chops, he might be alive today.

Kindly amuse us all by explaining how such measures would have prevented
Atkins slipping on that frozen pavement? Come on, the laugh will do us
good.

Karma.

"George Cherry" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"'Bonfire of the Deities...'" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"George Cherry" <GWCherryHatesGreenEggsAndSpam@alum

Quoted message said:

If Atkins had eaten more portabellos and fewer veal
chops, he might be alive today.

Kindly amuse us all by explaining how such measures would have prevented
Atkins slipping on that frozen pavement? Come on, the laugh will do us
good.

Karma.

We'll take that as you retracting your twittish and misleading comment.

Bonf.

Quoted message said:

TC said:

TC said:

go to:

http://www.diabetes.org/all-about-diabetes/chan_eng/i3/i3p4.htm

This is their "Rate Your Plate" web page utility. Select the steak, the
tomatoes, the salad and the brocoli. They tell you that you have no
carbs!!!!!

Here is the message they give you:

"Whoops! You need some carbohydrates on your plate. Keep trying."

Hilarious, absolutely hilarious. And these yahoos are the Gods of
diabetes education. F**king morons.

TC

This is the breakdown for the American Diabetes Association concept of
what is a carb and what isn't.

Carbs:
Pears
Peas
Corn
Pineapple
Grapes
Rice
Apple
Yams
Potatoes
Papya
Toast
Totilla Chips

Vegetables which are apparently not carbs:
Bell Peppers
Mushrooms
Carrots
Red Cabbage
Cucumbers
Asparagus
Spinach
Kale
Salad
Tomato
Celery
Broccoli

How on earth did they come up with this breakdown? Maybe those
producers of the non-carb vegetables did not give enough donations to
the Diabetes Association?

The top list are high glcemic foods, the bottom list are lower glycemic
foods. The top list foods are also higher in calories from carbs (vs.
protein and/or fiber). The one change I'd make is I'd keep raw carrots
on the bottom, but add cooked carrots to the top list. White potatoes
are really bad. 100 calories of plain baked potato will raise blood
sugar higher and faster than 100 calories of regular cane sugar
straight out of the sugar bowl.

I might also add that every food on the bottom list is very healthy in
other ways too.

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TC

--Bryan