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  1. I was reading the "web" and noticed a lot of articles on how much
    Kerry's bike cost and if you notice politician with crazy amount of
    money usually don't flaunt it in the obvious ways. E.G. NO Bentleys
    with 22's. They like to drive an American car and not the most
    expensive one out there either. Does Kerry's choice of a Serotta buck
    this tradition and demonstrate effusiveness? Do the people of RBR
    think he should have bought something a little more mainstream like a
    trek, so he could appeal to the masses? What is more politically
    correct Campy or Shimano? Politics and cycling very crazy.

    "Does John Kerry know how the average American lives? Serotta Bicycle
    (Cost $8,000). The bike of the working man. "
    http://www.mypalal.com/JohnKerry.htm

    RVD
    PS Can I refer to Bush as a smelly mountian biker?

  2. Quoted message said:

    From: [email hidden] (Rik Van Diesel)

    Quoted message said:

    RVD
    PS Can I refer to Bush as a smelly mountian biker?

    Depends on if he landed in the cow chips.
    Bill C

  3. "Rik Van Diesel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was reading the "web" and noticed a lot of articles on how much
    Kerry's bike cost and if you notice politician with crazy amount of
    money usually don't flaunt it in the obvious ways. E.G. NO Bentleys
    with 22's. They like to drive an American car and not the most
    expensive one out there either. Does Kerry's choice of a Serotta buck
    this tradition and demonstrate effusiveness? Do the people of RBR
    think he should have bought something a little more mainstream like a
    trek, so he could appeal to the masses? What is more politically
    correct Campy or Shimano? Politics and cycling very crazy.

    "Does John Kerry know how the average American lives? Serotta Bicycle
    (Cost $8,000). The bike of the working man. "
    http://www.mypalal.com/JohnKerry.htm

    RVD
    PS Can I refer to Bush as a smelly mountian biker?

    I think many politicians get around in luxury SUV's both while in and out of
    office. As far as presidents go, many of the recent ones seem to have
    ranches and farms instead of just homes. I wouldn't be surprised by the cost
    of a candidates road or mountain bike, shoes or hairbrush.
    jb

  4. It's sort of like asking how you feel about going into a supermarket and
    seeing a hundred different types of bread knowing that people are dying from
    malnutrition.

    Somewhat related, I was watching a tape of the 1994 Worlds RR in Columbia
    while in mag trainer hell today and there was a brief shot of a guy on the
    side of the course fixing a flat on an old stovepipe clunker that he clearly
    used to haul goods for his livelihood. Forgetting Phil L.'s inane comment,
    I recalled a friend in New Orleans who managed a bike shop there saying that
    guys like that were the real cyclists. Whenever a poor person came in to
    the shop (there were many in NO who used bikes for transportation as they
    couldn't even afford public transport) he/she was treated with respect and
    special attention. Other shops in town would throw these people out.

    --
    Peloton Pigs--Flying Since 1991
    "Rik Van Diesel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I was reading the "web" and noticed a lot of articles on how much
    Kerry's bike cost and if you notice politician with crazy amount of
    money usually don't flaunt it in the obvious ways. E.G. NO Bentleys
    with 22's. They like to drive an American car and not the most
    expensive one out there either. Does Kerry's choice of a Serotta buck
    this tradition and demonstrate effusiveness? Do the people of RBR
    think he should have bought something a little more mainstream like a
    trek, so he could appeal to the masses? What is more politically
    correct Campy or Shimano? Politics and cycling very crazy.

    "Does John Kerry know how the average American lives? Serotta Bicycle
    (Cost $8,000). The bike of the working man. "
    http://www.mypalal.com/JohnKerry.htm

    RVD
    PS Can I refer to Bush as a smelly mountian biker?

  5. "Rik Van Diesel" wrote ...

    Quoted message said:

    Does Kerry's choice of a Serotta buck
    this tradition and demonstrate effusiveness? Do the people of RBR
    think he should have bought something a little more mainstream like a
    trek, so he could appeal to the masses? What is more politically
    correct Campy or Shimano? Politics and cycling very crazy.
    PS Can I refer to Bush as a smelly mountian biker?

    It only sends the wrong message if you tell an audience at a town hall
    debate that none of them look like they make over $200k the you do, or tell
    America you married up, probably more so than the other guy or the
    moderator.

    However, did you notice on ER last night that the roadie character
    complained that the other guy wrecked his $6000 Serotta Legend? He even
    pronounced Serotta right. First time I tune in in over a year, and they
    name my bike brand. Must mean something.

    JF

  6. (Rik Van Diesel) said:

    I was reading the "web" and noticed a lot of articles on how much
    Kerry's bike cost and if you notice politician with crazy amount of
    money usually don't flaunt it in the obvious ways. E.G. NO Bentleys
    with 22's. They like to drive an American car and not the most
    expensive one out there either. Does Kerry's choice of a Serotta buck
    this tradition and demonstrate effusiveness? Do the people of RBR
    think he should have bought something a little more mainstream like a
    trek, so he could appeal to the masses? What is more politically
    correct Campy or Shimano? Politics and cycling very crazy.

    "Does John Kerry know how the average American lives? Serotta Bicycle
    (Cost $8,000). The bike of the working man. "
    http://www.mypalal.com/JohnKerry.htm

    Yeah, and shouldn't he have bought a red-white-and-blue bike,
    like those Treks?

    For better or worse (most would say better) we live in a country
    where average workers (those who still have jobs, anyway - cue
    R. Chung here) can drop 8 large on recreational items, or at least
    put it on the credit card. I am sure there are guys out there
    with what used to be called blue-collar jobs who own home theater
    systems that cost more than 8000 bucks. Not to mention boats.
    Tons of working men like that own boats, and Suburbans to pull them.

    Dropping 8000 bucks doesn't make it flaunting these days, it's
    whether the public thinks a bike is a large enough item to drop
    that on. Actually I kinda doubt the public cares, and none of the
    people who get energized in the blogoworld were gonna vote for
    Kerry anyway.

    Ben
    All about the Benjamins

    Quoted message said:

    RVD
    PS Can I refer to Bush as a smelly mountian biker?

  7. Quoted message said:

    From: [email hidden] (Benjamin Weiner)

    Quoted message said:

    Not to mention boats.
    Tons of working men like that own boats, and Suburbans to pull them.

    You can't buy squat in the way of a bass boat for $8,000 new. I don't think
    anyone cares either, but you've got pretty much no chance of explaining an $800
    bicycle, let alone an $8000 one to the guy with the bass boat. You might be
    able to explain it as a custom racing machine like that texas guy Armstrong
    has.
    Bill C

  8. (TritonRider) said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: [email hidden] (Benjamin Weiner)

    Quoted message said:

    Not to mention boats.
    Tons of working men like that own boats, and Suburbans to pull them.

    You can't buy squat in the way of a bass boat for $8,000 new. I don't think
    anyone cares either, but you've got pretty much no chance of explaining an $800
    bicycle, let alone an $8000 one to the guy with the bass boat. You might be
    able to explain it as a custom racing machine like that texas guy Armstrong
    has.

    I was gonna say almost the same thing.

    I think an $8K bike has no point, but in the context of the bling that
    Bush and Kerry have, and the moderate amounts of bling too many people
    have in terms of cars, boats, etc, it's not important.

    But it's a bike, so people think it's weird.

    JT

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  9. "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    Somewhat related, I was watching a tape of the 1994 Worlds RR in Columbia
    while in mag trainer hell today and there was a brief shot of a guy on the
    side of the course fixing a flat on an old stovepipe clunker that he


    clearly

    Quoted message said:

    used to haul goods for his livelihood. Forgetting Phil L.'s inane


    comment,

    Quoted message said:

    I recalled a friend in New Orleans who managed a bike shop there saying


    that

    Quoted message said:

    guys like that were the real cyclists. Whenever a poor person came in to
    the shop (there were many in NO who used bikes for transportation as they
    couldn't even afford public transport) he/she was treated with respect and
    special attention. Other shops in town would throw these people out.

    That's why I've said that _real_ bike racing (of the era you still revel
    about) can be still be experienced by competing in a race in a third world
    country. Bad roads, volunteer support driving diesel exhaust spewing
    vehicles, three or four to a tiny unairconditioned room with an electric
    water heater built into the shower head and exposed wiring, race entourage
    and local youth racing around the town square 'til all hours of the night in
    their trucks and two stroke motorcycles blasting DJ music systems strapped
    to their vehicles and horns as you try to sleep, wondering if that was a
    cockroach that just crawled over your head in the dark, and lots of gutty,
    gritty riders from the host country all lend themselves to an awesome
    experience. At the time, you'll be saying "wtf am I doing here", but after
    its over you'll be savoring every good and bad memory and laughing at most
    of them.

  10. "Jim Boyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    I think many politicians get around in luxury SUV's both while in and out


    of

    Quoted message said:

    office. As far as presidents go, many of the recent ones seem to have
    ranches and farms instead of just homes. I wouldn't be surprised by the


    cost

    Quoted message said:

    of a candidates road or mountain bike, shoes or hairbrush.
    jb

    IIRC, Clinton lived in public housing pretty much his adult life until he
    and Hillary bought the place in NY.

  11. Carl Sundquist said:

    That's why I've said that _real_ bike racing (of the era you still revel
    about) can be still be experienced by competing in a race in a third world
    country. Bad roads, volunteer support driving diesel exhaust spewing
    vehicles, three or four to a tiny unairconditioned room with an electric
    water heater built into the shower head and exposed wiring, race entourage
    and local youth racing around the town square 'til all hours of the night


    in

    Quoted message said:

    their trucks and two stroke motorcycles blasting DJ music systems strapped
    to their vehicles and horns as you try to sleep, wondering if that was a
    cockroach that just crawled over your head in the dark, and lots of gutty,
    gritty riders from the host country all lend themselves to an awesome
    experience. At the time, you'll be saying "wtf am I doing here", but after
    its over you'll be savoring every good and bad memory and laughing at most
    of them.

    You have pretty much captured the essence of participating in a Velo Promo
    race in Fresno, California.

  12. "Mark Fennell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Carl Sundquist said:

    That's why I've said that _real_ bike racing (of the era you still revel
    about) can be still be experienced by competing in a race in a third


    world

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    country. Bad roads, volunteer support driving diesel exhaust spewing
    vehicles, three or four to a tiny unairconditioned room with an electric
    water heater built into the shower head and exposed wiring, race


    entourage

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and local youth racing around the town square 'til all hours of the


    night

    Quoted message said:

    in

    Quoted message said:

    their trucks and two stroke motorcycles blasting DJ music systems


    strapped

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to their vehicles and horns as you try to sleep, wondering if that was a
    cockroach that just crawled over your head in the dark, and lots of


    gutty,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    gritty riders from the host country all lend themselves to an awesome
    experience. At the time, you'll be saying "wtf am I doing here", but


    after

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    its over you'll be savoring every good and bad memory and laughing at


    most

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of them.

    You have pretty much captured the essence of participating in a Velo Promo
    race in Fresno, California.

    Bob Liebold provides a pretty good service for riders in the central CA
    area, doesn't he?

  13. Carl Sundquist said:

    "Jim Boyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    I think many politicians get around in luxury SUV's both while in and out


    of

    Quoted message said:

    office. As far as presidents go, many of the recent ones seem to have
    ranches and farms instead of just homes. I wouldn't be surprised by the


    cost

    Quoted message said:

    of a candidates road or mountain bike, shoes or hairbrush.
    jb

    Quoted message said:

    IIRC, Clinton lived in public housing pretty much his adult life until he
    and Hillary bought the place in NY.

    Isn't Arkansas the home of the double wide governor's mansion?

    Bob Schwartz
    [email hidden]

  14. "Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

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    "Mark Fennell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Carl Sundquist said:

    That's why I've said that _real_ bike racing (of the era you still


    revel

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    about) can be still be experienced by competing in a race in a third


    world

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    country. Bad roads, volunteer support driving diesel exhaust spewing
    vehicles, three or four to a tiny unairconditioned room with an


    electric

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    water heater built into the shower head and exposed wiring, race


    entourage

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and local youth racing around the town square 'til all hours of the


    night

    Quoted message said:

    in

    Quoted message said:

    their trucks and two stroke motorcycles blasting DJ music systems


    strapped

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to their vehicles and horns as you try to sleep, wondering if that was


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cockroach that just crawled over your head in the dark, and lots of


    gutty,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    gritty riders from the host country all lend themselves to an awesome
    experience. At the time, you'll be saying "wtf am I doing here", but


    after

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    its over you'll be savoring every good and bad memory and laughing at


    most

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of them.

    You have pretty much captured the essence of participating in a Velo


    Promo

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    race in Fresno, California.

    Bob Liebold provides a pretty good service for riders in the central CA
    area, doesn't he?

    Absolutely! He is a special person, one-of-a-kind, incredible asset to the
    bike racing community of California. As an example of how highly *most* of
    the community thinks of him, and others know the details better than I do,
    last year at San Ardo RR he had the race-registration cash box stolen with
    around $4,000 in it. Well, a few people spread the word in the following
    weeks, and donations poured in to replace the stolen money. I think, in the
    end, it totaled more than was stolen! (Casey, is that about right?)

    Mark
    (wishes VP races were closer so I could go more often)

  15. As someone who cannot stand Kerry, his choice of hobbies or how much he
    spends on them is his business (and his wife's since she is footing the
    bills!).

    However, it is hard to accept his being for the common man when he comes
    from wealth and power and married up twice (the big winner was the second
    marriage).

    "Rik Van Diesel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was reading the "web" and noticed a lot of articles on how much
    Kerry's bike cost and if you notice politician with crazy amount of
    money usually don't flaunt it in the obvious ways. E.G. NO Bentleys
    with 22's. They like to drive an American car and not the most
    expensive one out there either. Does Kerry's choice of a Serotta buck
    this tradition and demonstrate effusiveness? Do the people of RBR
    think he should have bought something a little more mainstream like a
    trek, so he could appeal to the masses? What is more politically
    correct Campy or Shimano? Politics and cycling very crazy.

    "Does John Kerry know how the average American lives? Serotta Bicycle
    (Cost $8,000). The bike of the working man. "
    http://www.mypalal.com/JohnKerry.htm

    RVD
    PS Can I refer to Bush as a smelly mountian biker?

  16. "Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Jim Boyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    I think many politicians get around in luxury SUV's both while in and


    out

    Quoted message said:

    of

    Quoted message said:

    office. As far as presidents go, many of the recent ones seem to have
    ranches and farms instead of just homes. I wouldn't be surprised by the


    cost

    Quoted message said:

    of a candidates road or mountain bike, shoes or hairbrush.
    jb

    IIRC, Clinton lived in public housing pretty much his adult life until he
    and Hillary bought the place in NY.

    The public housing line is one Reagan first used (at least that is the first
    time I heard it).

  17. "Mark Fennell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Mark Fennell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Carl Sundquist" wrote:
    > That's why I've said that _real_ bike racing (of the era you still


    revel

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > about) can be still be experienced by competing in a race in a third


    world

    Quoted message said:

    > country. Bad roads, volunteer support driving diesel exhaust spewing
    > vehicles, three or four to a tiny unairconditioned room with an


    electric

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > water heater built into the shower head and exposed wiring, race


    entourage

    Quoted message said:

    > and local youth racing around the town square 'til all hours of the


    night

    Quoted message said:

    in
    > their trucks and two stroke motorcycles blasting DJ music systems


    strapped

    Quoted message said:

    > to their vehicles and horns as you try to sleep, wondering if that
    > was


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > cockroach that just crawled over your head in the dark, and lots of


    gutty,

    Quoted message said:

    > gritty riders from the host country all lend themselves to an awesome
    > experience. At the time, you'll be saying "wtf am I doing here", but


    after

    Quoted message said:

    > its over you'll be savoring every good and bad memory and laughing at


    most

    Quoted message said:

    > of them.

    You have pretty much captured the essence of participating in a Velo


    Promo

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    race in Fresno, California.

    The big "'No" -- Fresno, as in crystal meth capital.
    And Fresno State, home of the Collegiate Felons.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Bob Liebold provides a pretty good service for riders in the central CA
    area, doesn't he?

    Absolutely! He is a special person, one-of-a-kind, incredible asset to the
    bike racing community of California. As an example of how highly *most* of
    the community thinks of him, and others know the details better than I do,
    last year at San Ardo RR he had the race-registration cash box stolen with
    around $4,000 in it. Well, a few people spread the word in the following

    A race regn box with $4K in it? At San Ardo?
    That many people still use cash?
    If 25% pay with cash that means 800 racers.

    Speaking as someone who has done a hundred Leibold Productions (VP) races,
    $4K cash? WTF?

    -Ken

    Quoted message said:

    weeks, and donations poured in to replace the stolen money. I think, in
    the
    end, it totaled more than was stolen! (Casey, is that about right?)

    Mark
    (wishes VP races were closer so I could go more often)

  18. In article <DN%bd.2111$SW3.1226@fed1read01>, Mark Fennell

    Quoted message said:

    "Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Mark Fennell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:EP_bd.2106$SW3.350@fed1read01...

    Quoted message said:

    "Carl Sundquist" wrote:
    > That's why I've said that _real_ bike racing (of the era you still


    revel

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > about) can be still be experienced by competing in a race in a third


    world

    Quoted message said:

    > country. Bad roads, volunteer support driving diesel exhaust spewing
    > vehicles, three or four to a tiny unairconditioned room with an


    electric

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > water heater built into the shower head and exposed wiring, race


    entourage

    Quoted message said:

    > and local youth racing around the town square 'til all hours of the


    night

    Quoted message said:

    in
    > their trucks and two stroke motorcycles blasting DJ music systems


    strapped

    Quoted message said:

    > to their vehicles and horns as you try to sleep, wondering if that was


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > cockroach that just crawled over your head in the dark, and lots of


    gutty,

    Quoted message said:

    > gritty riders from the host country all lend themselves to an awesome
    > experience. At the time, you'll be saying "wtf am I doing here", but


    after

    Quoted message said:

    > its over you'll be savoring every good and bad memory and laughing at


    most

    Quoted message said:

    > of them.

    You have pretty much captured the essence of participating in a Velo


    Promo

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    race in Fresno, California.

    Bob Liebold provides a pretty good service for riders in the central CA
    area, doesn't he?

    Absolutely! He is a special person, one-of-a-kind, incredible asset to the
    bike racing community of California. As an example of how highly *most* of
    the community thinks of him, and others know the details better than I do,
    last year at San Ardo RR he had the race-registration cash box stolen with
    around $4,000 in it. Well, a few people spread the word in the following
    weeks, and donations poured in to replace the stolen money. I think, in the
    end, it totaled more than was stolen!

    It was at least $500 more than was stolen.

    I never pre-reg for one of his races, mostly because the extra $5 is
    going to a good cause.

    And what are the valuable prizes at these races that have so many loyal
    attendees?

    The coveted Velo-Promo T-shirt.

    -WG

  19. "Sam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    As someone who cannot stand Kerry, his choice of hobbies or how much he
    spends on them is his business (and his wife's since she is footing the
    bills!).

    Wow -- ANONYMOUS comes out for W.
    ANONYMNOUS votes and skews the polls!

    Balls man, balls.

    Quoted message said:

    However, it is hard to accept his being for the common man when he comes
    from wealth and power and married up twice (the big winner was the second
    marriage).

    "Rik Van Diesel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was reading the "web" and noticed a lot of articles on how much
    Kerry's bike cost and if you notice politician with crazy amount of
    money usually don't flaunt it in the obvious ways. E.G. NO Bentleys
    with 22's. They like to drive an American car and not the most
    expensive/////////////////////

  20. Dude,

    Kerry is not riding an Ottrot. It's a steel Colorado III with Chorus 10 and
    traditional wheels. It's about a $4,500 bike. That's a lot, but I've had
    $4,500 bikes. BFD. Lots of people do.

    Bush rides a $7,000.00 Trek 5900 that Lance rode in the Tour. Bush also has
    a Trek Fuel that ran about $4,500, too. Does that make you not want to vote
    now?

    -PWM

    "Rik Van Diesel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was reading the "web" and noticed a lot of articles on how much
    Kerry's bike cost and if you notice politician with crazy amount of
    money usually don't flaunt it in the obvious ways. E.G. NO Bentleys
    with 22's. They like to drive an American car and not the most
    expensive one out there either. Does Kerry's choice of a Serotta buck
    this tradition and demonstrate effusiveness? Do the people of RBR
    think he should have bought something a little more mainstream like a
    trek, so he could appeal to the masses? What is more politically
    correct Campy or Shimano? Politics and cycling very crazy.

    "Does John Kerry know how the average American lives? Serotta Bicycle
    (Cost $8,000). The bike of the working man. "
    http://www.mypalal.com/JohnKerry.htm

    RVD
    PS Can I refer to Bush as a smelly mountian biker?

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