does anyone agree with paul sherwin

Since they aren't good at the TT, they will have to attack in the mountains. If they attack in the
mountains Lance can use them to his advantage - he can climb with them, but typically Jan has not
been able to. Lance can let them force the pace, not have to burn his team mates and hopefully put
Jan into difficulty.

This is my interpretation of what Paul said, which I think is pretty sound. Of course it assumes
Lance can also climb with the Spanish mountaineers.

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when he says that armstrong will look to the spanish climbers to become

his

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allies in the pyrenees

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when he says that armstrong will look to the spanish climbers to become

his

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allies in the pyrenees

If you mean the (3) Spanish climber on his team, then yeah. If you mean Spanish climbers on other
teams, no.

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when he says that armstrong will look to the spanish climbers to become

his

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allies in the pyrenees

If you mean the (3) Spanish climber on his team, then yeah. If you mean Spanish climbers on other
teams, no.

The climbs in the Pyrenees tend to be steeper and his teammate Heras does better at that type of
climb. Probably Euskatel rider Mayo too. I also think Lance is relatively better at them than Jan.

-WG

warren said:

The climbs in the Pyrenees tend to be steeper and his teammate Heras does better at that type of
climb. Probably Euskatel rider Mayo too. I also think Lance is relatively better at them than Jan.

Since Ullrich has declared himself to be the "old" Ullrich, let's check 1997. Ullrich did fine in
the Pyrenees, including the amazing stage 10 into Andorra.

cyclingnews.comtour97Open ↗

Pyrenees:

Stage 9, Pau - Loudenvielle (Valle du Louron), 182 kms:
1. Laurent Brochard (Fra) FES 5.24.57 (avs. 33.6 km/h)
2. Richard Virenque (Fra) FES 0.14
3. Marco Pantani (Ita) MER 0.14
4. Jan Ullrich (Ger) TEL 0.14
5. Jose Maria Jimenez (Spa) BAN 0.33

Stage 10, Luchon-Andorre, 252.5 kms:
6. Jan Ullrich (Ger) TEL 7.46.06 (avs: 32,503 km/h)
7. Marco Pantani (Ita) MER 1.08
8. Richard Virenque (Fra) FES 1.08
9. Francesco Casagrande (Ita) SAE 2.01
10. Bjarne Riis (Dan) TEL 3.23

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Alpes:

Stage 13, Saint Etienne - L'Alpe d'Huez, 203.5 kms:
11. Marco Pantani (Ita) MER 5.02.42 (avs. 40,336 km/h )
12. Jan Ullrich (Ger) TEL 0.47
13. Richard Virenque (Fra) FES 1.27
14. Francesco Casagrande (Ita) SAE 2.27
15. Bjarne Riis (Dan) TEL 2.28

Stage 14, Le Bourg d'Oisans - Courchevel, 180 kms:
16. Richard Virenque (Fra) FES 4.34.16 (avs. 32,3 km/h)
17. Jan Ullrich (Ger) TEL s.t.
18. Fernando Escartin (Spa) KEL 0.47
19. Laurent Dufaux (Swi) FES 1.19
20. Bjarne Riis (Dan) TEL 1.24

Stage 15, Courcheval - Morzine, 208.5 kms:
21. Marco Pantani (Ita) MER 5.57.16 (avs. 35,015 km/h)
22. Richard Virenque (Fra) FES 1.17
23. Jan Ullrich (Ger) TEL 1.17
24. Beat Zberg (Swi) MER 1.59
25. Francesco Casagrande (Ita) SAE 1.59

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warren said:

The climbs in the Pyrenees tend to be steeper and his teammate Heras does better at that type
of climb. Probably Euskatel rider Mayo too. I also think Lance is relatively better at them
than Jan.

Since Ullrich has declared himself to be the "old" Ullrich, let's check 1997. Ullrich did fine in
the Pyrenees, including the amazing stage 10 into Andorra.

Don't you think his performance in 2001 and this year is more relevant than 6(!) years ago?

-WG

dwjones said:

when he says that armstrong will look to the spanish climbers to become his allies in the pyrenees

He's probably basing his comment on the fact until he crashed Beloki behaved as a "special friend"
to Lance when Heras got dropped...

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Since Ullrich has declared himself to be the "old" Ullrich, let's check 1997. Ullrich did fine in
the Pyrenees, including the amazing stage 10 into Andorra.

Don't you think his performance in 2001 and this year is more relevant than 6(!) years ago?

Looking at yesterday's results, no! He's closer to his 1997/1998 level. He would have won in 1998
had it not been for that incredible panic in one of the stages when he got a flat tire and
completely lost
it.

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-WG

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when he says that armstrong will look to the spanish climbers to become

his

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allies in the pyrenees

If you mean the (3) Spanish climber on his team, then yeah. If you mean Spanish climbers on other
teams, no.

In a breakaway he will cooperate in exchange for not contesting the stage win. Allies, albeit
temporary.

Keith <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws [email hidden]...

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Since Ullrich has declared himself to be the "old" Ullrich, let's check 1997. Ullrich did fine
in the Pyrenees, including the amazing stage 10 into Andorra.

Don't you think his performance in 2001 and this year is more relevant than 6(!) years ago?

Looking at yesterday's results, no! He's closer to his 1997/1998 level. He would have won in 1998
had it not been for that incredible panic in one of the stages when he got a flat tire and
completely lost
it.

Don't think so. Pantani blew him away that stage. It reminded of Gaul, Bartali, Coppi or Bahamontes.

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-WG

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Keith <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws [email hidden]...

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> Since Ullrich has declared himself to be the "old" Ullrich, let's check 1997. Ullrich did
> fine in the Pyrenees, including the amazing stage 10 into Andorra.

Don't you think his performance in 2001 and this year is more relevant than 6(!) years ago?

Looking at yesterday's results, no! He's closer to his 1997/1998 level. He would have won in
1998 had it not been for that incredible panic in one of the stages when he got a flat tire and
completely lost
it.

Don't think so. Pantani blew him away that stage. It reminded of Gaul, Bartali, Coppi or
Bahamontes.

And that was after waiting for him to recover from the wheel change.

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when he says that armstrong will look to the spanish climbers to become his allies in the pyrenees

Not quite as good as the first "Look"...

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when he says that armstrong will look to the spanish climbers to become

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allies in the pyrenees

Not quite as good as the first "Look"...

maybe he is talking about the Spanish riders on USPS

Just a Cyclist said:

maybe he is talking about the Spanish riders on USPS

Since when would your teammates "become" your allies?