Does Anybody Know Kogswell??

(Fred Roses) said:

I just discovered this new (?) company on the Harris Cyclery site. Their website
kogswell.comkogswell.comOpen ↗ seems very informative and complete, the frames look like they fill a gaping
hole in the market, and the prices are awesome. Anybody know anything more about them? Sheldon?

The owner, Matthew Grimm, is an active member of the iBOB list and seems to be a very nice guy. A
number of iBOBs have bought Kogswell frames and have reported good things about them. Thus far no
complaints about either the frames or the company.

That said, their Web site is abysmal when viewed with a Mac under OS X, at least. I don't know who
designed it, but the pages take forever to load and the page scrolls slowly and jerkily. It needs a
major overhaul removing 100% of the Javascript and using HTML properly instead. Have a look at the
source code- yikes!

What is it with Web designers and Javascript? HTML is easier and works better for all information
display. I run four Web sites and use Javascript on one only, which is to do some minor dynamic
content that takes no additional time to make happen. Some Web designers seem to think it's cool to
do the entire page in Javascript, which then means it's slow and incredibly annoying.

"Tim McNamara" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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[email hidden] (Fred Roses) writes:

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Quoted message said:

I just discovered this new (?) company on the Harris Cyclery site. Their website
kogswell.comkogswell.comOpen ↗ seems very informative and complete, the frames look like they fill a
gaping hole in the market, and the prices are awesome. Anybody know anything more about them?
Sheldon?

Quoted message said:

The owner, Matthew Grimm, is an active member of the iBOB list and seems to be a very nice guy. A
number of iBOBs have bought Kogswell frames and have reported good things about them. Thus far no
complaints about either the frames or the company.

I read through some of his posts, and he does indeed seem like an earnest guy. I saw a couple of the
bikes on eBay, got curious, and did a search. I wish him luck in the frame game. The bikes are
interesting -- like Surly, but for people who like lugs.

Quoted message said:

That said, their Web site is abysmal when viewed with a Mac under OS X, at least. I don't know who
designed it, but the pages take forever to load and the page scrolls slowly and jerkily. It needs
a major overhaul removing 100% of the Javascript and using HTML properly instead. Have a look at
the source code- yikes!

What is it with Web designers and Javascript? HTML is easier and works better for all information
display. I run four Web sites and use Javascript on one only, which is to do some minor dynamic
content that takes no additional time to make happen. Some Web designers seem to think it's cool
to do the entire page in Javascript, which then means it's slow and incredibly annoying.

Maybe he's using Frontpage or some other MS-centric tool, which generates Javascript that only
works with IE/Windows -- or he's clipped or written some Javascript that hasn't been tested with
all browsers.

It's a shame, because the site is otherwise pretty clean. The only bad things are the silly,
animated, drop down index, and the links opening new windows for no reason. Get rid of that silly
Javascript, and he'd have a pretty nice site -- better than average for a small business.

Matt O.

Matt O'Toole said:

"Tim McNamara" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

What is it with Web designers and Javascript? HTML is easier and works better for all information
display. I run four Web sites and use Javascript on one only, which is to do some minor dynamic
content that takes no additional time to make happen. Some Web designers seem to think it's cool
to do the entire page in Javascript, which then means it's slow and incredibly annoying.

Maybe he's using Frontpage or some other MS-centric tool, which generates Javascript that only
works with IE/Windows -- or he's clipped or written some Javascript that hasn't been tested with
all browsers.

It's a shame, because the site is otherwise pretty clean. The only bad things are the silly,
animated, drop down index, and the links opening new windows for no reason. Get rid of that silly
Javascript, and he'd have a pretty nice site -- better than average for a small business.

Here's some good bsic information all Web designers should read.

analysisandsolutions.comweberror.htmOpen ↗

Fred Roses wrote

Quoted message said:

I just discovered this new (?) company on the Harris Cyclery site. Their website
kogswell.comkogswell.comOpen ↗ seems very informative and complete, the frames look like they fill a gaping
hole in the market, and the prices are awesome. Anybody know anything more about them? Sheldon?

Damn! Those are almost exactly the kind of bike I'm looking for! It's a great idea, but what kind of
tubing does he use? I couldn't find anything on my looks on the site. They are like Surlys with
lugs... perfect! Matt

Matt O'Toole said:

Maybe he's using Frontpage or some other MS-centric tool, which generates Javascript that only
works with IE/Windows -- or he's clipped or written some Javascript that hasn't been tested with
all browsers.

Not commenting on the content or appearance of the website, but the website seems to display
properly on Mozilla/Win2k.

Dave dvt at psu dot edu

"Matt O'Toole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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"Tim McNamara" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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[email hidden] (Fred Roses) writes:

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Quoted message said:

I just discovered this new (?) company on the Harris Cyclery site. Their website
kogswell.comkogswell.comOpen ↗ seems very informative and complete, the frames look like they fill a
gaping hole in the market, and the prices are awesome. Anybody know anything more about them?
Sheldon?

Quoted message said:

The owner, Matthew Grimm, is an active member of the iBOB list and seems to be a very nice guy.
A number of iBOBs have bought Kogswell frames and have reported good things about them. Thus far
no complaints about either the frames or the company.

I read through some of his posts, and he does indeed seem like an earnest guy. I saw a couple of
the bikes on eBay, got curious, and did a search. I wish him luck in the frame game. The bikes are
interesting -- like Surly, but for people who like lugs.

Quoted message said:

That said, their Web site is abysmal when viewed with a Mac under OS X, at least. I don't know
who designed it, but the pages take forever to load and the page scrolls slowly and jerkily. It
needs a major overhaul removing 100% of the Javascript and using HTML properly instead. Have a
look at the source code- yikes!

What is it with Web designers and Javascript? HTML is easier and works better for all
information display. I run four Web sites and use Javascript on one only, which is to do some
minor dynamic content that takes no additional time to make happen. Some Web designers seem to
think it's cool to do the entire page in Javascript, which then means it's slow and incredibly
annoying.

Maybe he's using Frontpage or some other MS-centric tool, which generates Javascript that only
works with IE/Windows -- or he's clipped or written some Javascript that hasn't been tested with
all browsers.

It's a shame, because the site is otherwise pretty clean. The only bad things are the silly,
animated, drop down index, and the links opening new windows for no reason. Get rid of that silly
Javascript, and he'd have a pretty nice site -- better than average for a small business.

Matt O.

Dear Tim and Matt,

The kogswell.comkogswell.comOpen ↗ site seems to run fine off a grossly underpowered six-year-old Windows 98
Second Edition 450mhz system running Internet Exploder version 6 through a cable connection.

The only unusual thing that I noticed was that as you scroll down the long opening page, the index
on the left chases you, a trick that I don't recall seeing elsewhere. Nothing seems slow.

Hope you get what you want for Christmas.

Carl Fogel

[email hidden] (Matt J) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Damn! Those are almost exactly the kind of bike I'm looking for! It's a great idea, but what kind
of tubing does he use? I couldn't find anything on my looks on the site. They are like Surlys with
lugs... perfect! Matt

Click on the "design" link and you'll see an essay on "Eco Founderland" tubing, which he professes
to love. Never heard of it myself but that just means they haven't made an effort to promulgate
their brand name.

Fred Roses

"Carl Fogel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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The kogswell.comkogswell.comOpen ↗ site seems to run fine off a grossly underpowered six-year-old Windows 98
Second Edition 450mhz system running Internet Exploder version 6 through a cable connection.

The only unusual thing that I noticed was that as you scroll down the long opening page, the index
on the left chases you, a trick that I don't recall seeing elsewhere.

Check out www.worldcycling.com. Similar effect.

Lee

"Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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"Carl Fogel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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The kogswell.comkogswell.comOpen ↗ site seems to run fine off a grossly underpowered six-year-old Windows
98 Second Edition 450mhz system running Internet Exploder version 6 through a cable connection.

The only unusual thing that I noticed was that as you scroll down the long opening page, the
index on the left chases you, a trick that I don't recall seeing elsewhere.

Check out www.worldcycling.com. Similar effect.

Lee

Dear Lee,

When I tried the www.worldcycling.com site, it wasn't working as well as the kogswell.com site.

That is, the left-hand index at kogswell comes chasing down the screen when I page down--I can see
it descending into the picture and landing, so to speak. It always winds up wherever I am.

But the www.worldcycling.com left-hand index doesn't chase me up and down on the opening page. I
thought at first that it simply stayed put, but when I paged up, there it was, stuck about half-way
down the long page. The left-hand index had moved, but it never caught up with me.

Possibly one of the infinite screen and display settings in Windows accounts for the difference, but
it may just be that the kogswell site enjoys better programming.

Carl Fogel

Tim McNamara said:

Quoted message said:

It's a shame, because the site is otherwise pretty clean. The only bad things are the silly,
animated, drop down index, and the links opening new windows for no reason. Get rid of that silly
Javascript, and he'd have a pretty nice site -- better than average for a small business.

Here's some good bsic information all Web designers should read.

analysisandsolutions.comweberror.htmOpen ↗

Renders fine under Mozilla on Debian Linux. 🙂

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8C71 IBM: It may be slow, but it's hard to use.

More likely that IE is known for trying to render broken HTML, and/or sites are only tested against
IE. Some sites that look fine under IE are broken for the rest of the world.

Carl Fogel said:

"Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

"Carl Fogel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The kogswell.comkogswell.comOpen ↗ site seems to run fine off a grossly underpowered six-year-old Windows
98 Second Edition 450mhz system running Internet Exploder version 6 through a cable connection.

The only unusual thing that I noticed was that as you scroll down the long opening page, the
index on the left chases you, a trick that I don't recall seeing elsewhere.

Check out www.worldcycling.com. Similar effect.

Lee

Dear Lee,

When I tried the www.worldcycling.com site, it wasn't working as well as the kogswell.com site.

That is, the left-hand index at kogswell comes chasing down the screen when I page down--I can see
it descending into the picture and landing, so to speak. It always winds up wherever I am.

But the www.worldcycling.com left-hand index doesn't chase me up and down on the opening page. I
thought at first that it simply stayed put, but when I paged up, there it was, stuck about half-
way down the long page. The left-hand index had moved, but it never caught up with me.

Possibly one of the infinite screen and display settings in Windows accounts for the difference,
but it may just be that the kogswell site enjoys better programming.

Carl Fogel

--
Mark Wolfe wolfenet.orgwolfenet.orgOpen ↗ gpg fingerprint = 42B6 EFEB 5414 AA18 01B7 64AC EF46 F7E6 82F6
8C71 IBM: It may be slow, but it's hard to use.