Dodging the Prison Bullet

B. Lafferty says...

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The Italian one that is. But will Frigo and spouse be so lucky in France?
http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/9073.0.html

So tell me, do you think this sentence is just? What kind of penalty is
appropriate for the lowly bike racing doper? Shoud we cut off their balls? If
that becomes standard, does it mean Lance gets off with a freebie is he ever
gets prosecuted?

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B. Lafferty says...

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The Italian one that is. But will Frigo and spouse be so lucky in France?
http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/9073.0.html

So tell me, do you think this sentence is just? What kind of penalty is
appropriate for the lowly bike racing doper?

First you have to define "lowly." Frigo made a very good living doing what
he did. I think he should do some prison time in-as-much-as-he violated a
criminal law. The longer sentences should be for the team personel and
doctors supplying the dope. IIRC, in France the athlete/user is not subject
to criminal sanctions and Frigo et spouse are charged with
supplying/distribution which does carry a criminal charge.

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Shoud we cut off their balls? If
that becomes standard, does it mean Lance gets off with a freebie is he
ever
gets prosecuted?

If you're going to start cutting, don't be a wuss about it. Follow
Boadicea's lead with the Romans.

B. Lafferty said:

If you're going to start cutting, don't be a wuss about it. Follow
Boadicea's lead with the Romans.

Or the Amazones'?

--
E. Dronkert

B. Lafferty said:

The Italian one that is. But will Frigo and spouse be so lucky in France?
http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/9073.0.html

The cyclingnews article on this trial mentioned that
Postal/Discovery rider Pavel Padrnos was acquitted of charges
related to the 2001 Giro bust (before he joined Postalscovery).
Further evidence of the Conspiracy.

B. Lafferty said:

First you have to define "lowly." Frigo made a very good living doing what
he did. I think he should do some prison time in-as-much-as-he violated a
criminal law.

Dumbass -

Once again you are assuming that your personal ethos and the cultural
ethos are the same. They are not.

The cultural ethos (in the West) is that drug dealers are the ones
doing prison time. Drug users, in general, do not, unless their drug
using is in conjunction with some other crime.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

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B. Lafferty said:

First you have to define "lowly." Frigo made a very good living doing
what
he did. I think he should do some prison time in-as-much-as-he violated
a
criminal law.

Dumbass -

Once again you are assuming that your personal ethos and the cultural
ethos are the same. They are not.

The cultural ethos (in the West) is that drug dealers are the ones
doing prison time. Drug users, in general, do not, unless their drug
using is in conjunction with some other crime.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Moron, Frigo is an Italian who faced an Italian court under Italian law that
makes using a criminal offense punishable by prison time if the judge so
decides. How any other country views PIDs and criminal sanctions is for
that country to decide. That said, individuals may take positions of their
choice on the issue. IMO, sporting fraud should be a criminal offense in
the US punishable by incarceration. Your opinion may vary.

B. Lafferty said:

Moron, Frigo is an Italian who faced an Italian court under Italian law that
makes using a criminal offense punishable by prison time if the judge so
decides.

And the judge didn't so decide. Are you asking for a do-over?

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How any other country views PIDs and criminal sanctions is for
that country to decide. That said, individuals may take positions of their
choice on the issue. IMO, sporting fraud should be a criminal offense in
the US punishable by incarceration. Your opinion may vary.

Yes. I also think this sporting fraud law should make sure that
people who commit centerline violations in Masters races will
get the chair.

Ben
Which is scarier, WMD in Central Asia or the
prospect of armed USCF officials?

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B. Lafferty said:

Moron, Frigo is an Italian who faced an Italian court under Italian law
that
makes using a criminal offense punishable by prison time if the judge so
decides.

And the judge didn't so decide. Are you asking for a do-over?

I have no standing in the Italian court to make any requests. A question for
Sandy. Are there any civil implications/penalties from such a guilty
finding?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How any other country views PIDs and criminal sanctions is for
that country to decide. That said, individuals may take positions of
their
choice on the issue. IMO, sporting fraud should be a criminal offense in
the US punishable by incarceration. Your opinion may vary.

Yes. I also think this sporting fraud law should make sure that
people who commit centerline violations in Masters races will
get the chair.

That woud make them think twice about what the line means, eh?

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Ben
Which is scarier, WMD in Central Asia or the
prospect of armed USCF officials?

B. Lafferty said:

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Quoted message said:

B. Lafferty said:

First you have to define "lowly." Frigo made a very good living doing
what
he did. I think he should do some prison time in-as-much-as-he violated
a
criminal law.

Dumbass -

Once again you are assuming that your personal ethos and the cultural
ethos are the same. They are not.

The cultural ethos (in the West) is that drug dealers are the ones
doing prison time. Drug users, in general, do not, unless their drug
using is in conjunction with some other crime.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Moron, Frigo is an Italian who faced an Italian court under Italian law that
makes using a criminal offense punishable by prison time if the judge so
decides.

Dumbass, you're the idiot here.

I said "ethos (in the West)". "West" refers to American and European
culture and yes, the Europeans tend to treat drug *user* offenses more
lightly than here in the US.

The antithesis of that would be Saudi Arabia's (Middle East) Islamist
law or Singapore's (Eastern) notoriously stringent treatment of drug
users.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Ben asked:

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Which is scarier, WMD in Central Asia or the
prospect of armed USCF officials?

Ben, that is a no-brainer. WMD in Central Asia is/was fantasy. Armed USCF
officials are a clear-and-present danger, that is, if you consider an
official using his 1,000 lb. motorcycle to push you back onto the right side
of the road.

Mark Fennell said:

Ben asked:

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Which is scarier, WMD in Central Asia or the
prospect of armed USCF officials?

Ben, that is a no-brainer. WMD in Central Asia is/was fantasy. Armed USCF
officials are a clear-and-present danger, that is, if you consider an
official using his 1,000 lb. motorcycle to push you back onto the right side
of the road.

Dumbass -

Is that fat pig Doc still getting drunk w/ "power"?

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

B. Lafferty said:

decides. How any other country views PIDs...

'ps -aux' usually, although I've heard that Windows Process Explorer can
do the same thing.

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Yes. I also think this sporting fraud law should make sure that
people who commit centerline violations in Masters races will
get the chair.

While we're about it why not add overweight cyclist penalties to the law
as well. Penalties could include being forced to eat andouillette for a
month, compulsory liposuction and a weekend of illicit passion with tammy
thomas for repeat offenders.

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a weekend of illicit passion with tammy
thomas for repeat offenders.

You are a cruel person. ;-)

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Yes. I also think this sporting fraud law should make sure that
people who commit centerline violations in Masters races will
get the chair.

That's how it works in Singapore. No centerline violations
there.

Bob Schwartz

Stu Fleming said:

B. Lafferty said:

decides. How any other country views PIDs...

'ps -aux' usually,

Berkeley-ist infidel!

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Mark Fennell said:

Ben asked:

Quoted message said:

Which is scarier, WMD in Central Asia or the
prospect of armed USCF officials?

Ben, that is a no-brainer. WMD in Central Asia is/was fantasy. Armed USCF
officials are a clear-and-present danger, that is, if you consider an
official using his 1,000 lb. motorcycle to push you back onto the right
side
of the road.

Dumbass -

Is that fat pig Doc still getting drunk w/ "power"?

Ha! No, Doc's fine. If he sees you across the line, you're DQ'ed ...no ifs,
ands, or buts. The problem is the inexperienced motor official who's told to
"enforce the centerline rule" which he dutifully does with F = m * a.

I don't know... that "tampering with outcome of a sporting event" rule
seems too vague to me. It's basically a way to ensure the authorities
can penalize everyone and anyone they want. It's pretty easy to come
up with a way in which pretty much everyone has "tampered with the
outcome of a sporting event"... Where do you draw the line between
"tampering" and "sport", as in, "well, that's just cycling..."

Bob Schwartz said:

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Yes. I also think this sporting fraud law should make sure that
people who commit centerline violations in Masters races will
get the chair.

That's how it works in Singapore. No centerline violations
there.

In, or out of, prison?