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  1. wack3r said:

    Do you mean Hi-Tec (the brand) or High Tech (as in having Goretex,
    Vibram, bizarre automatic lacing systems etc).

    It's less that the boots are suitable for the trail and more that
    they're suitable for you. The main thing for any long distance walk
    is that the boots comfortable, supportive and don't give you
    blisters. If you already own them, walk for an equivalent distance to
    what you're planning on the WHW beforehand, preferably on the
    steepest, roughest terrain you can find on a wet day. Then you'll
    know whether they're suitable for you or not before you get stuck with
    ill-fitting boots in the middle of nowhere.

    If you've not bought them yet, think about why you're looking at this
    particular brand (this is assuming it's "Hi-Tec" you mean). If you're
    looking at Hi-tec boots as they're low price, I understand that Hi-Tec
    have improved dramatically in recent years, but you could also look at
    Peter Storm, Blacks, and - especially - the excellent Karrimor. Try
    on as many as you can and make sure they fit you. It's best not to
    buy boots that are waterproof but not breathable, as your feet will
    sweat and you'll be more likely to have blisters (and distressingly
    malodorous socks).

    As to "high tech" generally you do get what you pay for in boots -
    more expensive brands such as Meindl and Scarpa will generally
    (although not always) be more durable, more supportive, more
    breathable, more waterproof, more grippy and better padded. It's a
    question of how far you want to go with your money.

    I personally do feel that Vibram soles give better grip than any other
    sole I've tried (except, bizarrely, on wet tarmac?!). I also feel
    that a Goretex lining is worth having, although apparently eVent is
    now just as good (and cheaper). It's worth noting that if you do get
    water inside your boot (eg from the top) Goretex and eVent will take
    longer to dry than unlined boots and, once wet inside, will let water
    straight through. Still, in a wet climate like Scotland I think
    you've got to go for all the waterproofing you can!

    The WHW is not hugely challenging terrain - it's more the remoteness,
    poor weather and lack of facilities that make it tricky. If you're
    just doing the hike as a one off, it's not worth splashing out on
    hugely expensive boots. If, however, you're planning to continue with
    a long and fulfilling walking career (especially if you plan on a lot
    of hillwalking) it's worth spending a bit more. The main thing though
    - and I can't repeat this enough - is that comfort and support are far
    more important than high tech features. You'll know the right pair
    when you try them on.

    Also, a decent pair of socks (or even two, one inside the other) will
    help no end. Check the seams won't rub too much, and that your boots
    fit when you've got walking socks (rather than everyday socks) on. I
    use distinctly low-tech Peter Storm Coolmax socks, wich I've found fit
    me far better than more expensive brands.

    Above all, have a great time!

    Cheers

    Anth

    Please link to: http://www.wheresthepath.com/index.htm

  2. On 17 Apr, 00:20, "www.wheresthepath.co.uk" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On Apr 15, 9:56 am, wack3r <[email hidden]> wrote:

    <snip good post from www.wheresthepath.co.uk>

    Good post www.wheresthepath.co.uk.

  3. urlwww.wheresthepath.co.uk/url said:

    On Apr 15, 9:56 am, wack3r <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [ snipped a lot of a sensible post ]

    Quoted message said:

    As to "high tech" generally you do get what you pay for in boots -
    more expensive brands such as Meindl and Scarpa will generally
    (although not always) be more durable, more supportive, more
    breathable, more waterproof, more grippy and better padded. It's a
    question of how far you want to go with your money.......

    Quoted message said:

    The WHW is not hugely challenging terrain - it's more the remoteness,
    poor weather and lack of facilities that make it tricky. If you're
    just doing the hike as a one off, it's not worth splashing out on
    hugely expensive boots. If, however, you're planning to continue with
    a long and fulfilling walking career (especially if you plan on a lot
    of hillwalking) it's worth spending a bit more. .........

    One thing about "expensive" boots. Do not necessarily buy the toughest
    heaviest boots you are offered by the shop. There seems to be a tendency in
    some shops and makers to massively over-specify the boot for the typical
    walker, suggesting heavy rigid boots which can take a crampon for use on UK
    hills outside of winter conditions.

    If you walk at the warmer times of the year, then weight is a significant
    factor in comfort; a heavy boot will make you tired more quickly. An
    over-stiff boot won't get you up the hill in any more comfort.

    I'll walk up almost any mountain in the UK between spring and autumn (that
    includes Torriden and Skye, often quoted as the toughest terrain). I'll
    usually use Scarpa Rangers, which are advertised as a "gentle lowlands"
    boot, some retailers would suggest its barely up to the lake district in
    August ! I'll use them across modest amounts of snow, either in headwalls,
    or on higher summits in spring. Full winter conditions (ice axes,
    crampons, etc.) is a different matter.

    Apart from keeping your feet warm, you can do the WHW in trail sandals or
    training shoes during most of the year, always assuming they suit your feet.

    Quoted message said:

    The main thing
    though
    - and I can't repeat this enough - is that comfort and support are far
    more important than high tech features.

    Agreed 100%.
    A shop which **knows** about boot fitting will help no-end.
    (Spotting clue - shops which measure your feet first (length and
    volume/width), then suggest boots based on those measurements probably have
    a clue about fitting. Really good shops back their judgement and offer
    money back if you are not satisfied with boot based on their measurements
    and advice, such shops are rare).

    Quoted message said:

    ....................... You'll know the right
    pair
    when you try them on.

    Not so sure about that. You'll certainly know a pair which is clearly
    wrong. As for right, eventually you may be able to work it out.

    - Nigel

    --
    Nigel Cliffe,
    Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/

  4. Nigel Cliffe said:

    I'll walk up almost any mountain in the UK between spring and autumn (that
    includes Torriden and Skye, often quoted as the toughest terrain). I'll
    usually use Scarpa Rangers, which are advertised as a "gentle lowlands"
    boot, some retailers would suggest its barely up to the lake district in
    August !

    Wot Nigel says, though I'd probably use my walking shoes rather than any
    sort of boots. I've run screes off the Jura Paps in them, and if
    they'll do that they'll do just about anything I need before the snow
    and ice are about.

    Ankle support is much vaunted, but not always necessary. If you're
    doing WHW new to recreational walking then propping them up a bit might
    well help, but if you're used to walking and won't be carrying a big
    pack then your ankles will be doing the job they usually do, and if you
    don't actually need the support then "supporting" them doesn't actually
    do much but add weight and restrict natural movement.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  5. www.wheresthepath.co.uk said:
    wack3r said:

    Do you mean Hi-Tec (the brand) or High Tech (as in having Goretex,
    Vibram, bizarre automatic lacing systems etc).

    It's less that the boots are suitable for the trail and more that
    they're suitable for you. The main thing for any long distance walk
    is that the boots comfortable, supportive and don't give you
    blisters. If you already own them, walk for an equivalent distance to
    what you're planning on the WHW beforehand, preferably on the
    steepest, roughest terrain you can find on a wet day. Then you'll
    know whether they're suitable for you or not before you get stuck with
    ill-fitting boots in the middle of nowhere.

    If you've not bought them yet, think about why you're looking at this
    particular brand (this is assuming it's "Hi-Tec" you mean). If you're
    looking at Hi-tec boots as they're low price, I understand that Hi-Tec
    have improved dramatically in recent years, but you could also look at
    Peter Storm, Blacks, and - especially - the excellent Karrimor. Try
    on as many as you can and make sure they fit you. It's best not to
    buy boots that are waterproof but not breathable, as your feet will
    sweat and you'll be more likely to have blisters (and distressingly
    malodorous socks).

    As to "high tech" generally you do get what you pay for in boots -
    more expensive brands such as Meindl and Scarpa will generally
    (although not always) be more durable, more supportive, more
    breathable, more waterproof, more grippy and better padded. It's a
    question of how far you want to go with your money.

    I personally do feel that Vibram soles give better grip than any other
    sole I've tried (except, bizarrely, on wet tarmac?!). I also feel
    that a Goretex lining is worth having, although apparently eVent is
    now just as good (and cheaper). It's worth noting that if you do get
    water inside your boot (eg from the top) Goretex and eVent will take
    longer to dry than unlined boots and, once wet inside, will let water
    straight through. Still, in a wet climate like Scotland I think
    you've got to go for all the waterproofing you can!

    The WHW is not hugely challenging terrain - it's more the remoteness,
    poor weather and lack of facilities that make it tricky. If you're
    just doing the hike as a one off, it's not worth splashing out on
    hugely expensive boots. If, however, you're planning to continue with
    a long and fulfilling walking career (especially if you plan on a lot
    of hillwalking) it's worth spending a bit more. The main thing though
    - and I can't repeat this enough - is that comfort and support are far
    more important than high tech features. You'll know the right pair
    when you try them on.

    Also, a decent pair of socks (or even two, one inside the other) will
    help no end. Check the seams won't rub too much, and that your boots
    fit when you've got walking socks (rather than everyday socks) on. I
    use distinctly low-tech Peter Storm Coolmax socks, wich I've found fit
    me far better than more expensive brands.

    Above all, have a great time!

    Cheers

    Anth

    Please link to: http://www.wheresthepath.com/index.htm
    Thank you that is very interesting and a god post

  6. Dundonald - thanks for the compliment!

    Pete - the subject of lightweight shoes vs heavier boots is always a
    matter of some debate between my brother and I. He's recently moved
    to lightweight shoes (especially for long distance trails) whereas
    I've tried them but gone back to boots for all but short, fast walks.
    I it's down to personal preference, but I do know that on rocky down
    there's been several occasions when I've slipped and could feel the
    support of a boot saving me from a walk-threatening ankle sprain.

    Nigel - good boots, me too!

    Cheers

    Anth

    Please link to: http://www.wheresthepath.com/index.htm

  7. Nigel Cliffe said:

    www.wheresthepath.co.ukwrote:

    Quoted message said:

    On Apr 15, 9:56 am, wack3r <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [ snipped a lot of a sensible post ]

    Quoted message said:

    As to "high tech" generally you do get what you pay for in boots -
    more expensive brands such as Meindl and Scarpa will generally
    (although not always) be more durable, more supportive, more
    breathable, more waterproof, more grippy and better padded. It's a
    question of how far you want to go with your money.......
    The WHW is not hugely challenging terrain - it's more the remoteness,
    poor weather and lack of facilities that make it tricky. If you're
    just doing the hike as a one off, it's not worth splashing out on
    hugely expensive boots. If, however, you're planning to continue with
    a long and fulfilling walking career (especially if you plan on a lot
    of hillwalking) it's worth spending a bit more. .........

    One thing about "expensive" boots. Do not necessarily buy the toughest
    heaviest boots you are offered by the shop. There seems to be a tendency in
    some shops and makers to massively over-specify the boot for the typical
    walker, suggesting heavy rigid boots which can take a crampon for use on UK
    hills outside of winter conditions.

    If you walk at the warmer times of the year, then weight is a significant
    factor in comfort; a heavy boot will make you tired more quickly. An
    over-stiff boot won't get you up the hill in any more comfort.

    I'll walk up almost any mountain in the UK between spring and autumn (that
    includes Torriden and Skye, often quoted as the toughest terrain). I'll
    usually use Scarpa Rangers, which are advertised as a "gentle lowlands"
    boot, some retailers would suggest its barely up to the lake district in
    August ! I'll use them across modest amounts of snow, either in headwalls,
    or on higher summits in spring. Full winter conditions (ice axes,
    crampons, etc.) is a different matter.

    Apart from keeping your feet warm, you can do the WHW in trail sandals or
    training shoes during most of the year, always assuming they suit your feet.

    Quoted message said:

    The main thing
    though
    - and I can't repeat this enough - is that comfort and support are far
    more important than high tech features.

    Agreed 100%.
    A shop which **knows** about boot fitting will help no-end.
    (Spotting clue - shops which measure your feet first (length and
    volume/width), then suggest boots based on those measurements probably have
    a clue about fitting. Really good shops back their judgement and offer
    money back if you are not satisfied with boot based on their measurements
    and advice, such shops are rare).

    Quoted message said:

    ....................... You'll know the right
    pair
    when you try them on.

    Not so sure about that. You'll certainly know a pair which is clearly
    wrong. As for right, eventually you may be able to work it out.

    - Nigel

    --
    Nigel Cliffe,
    Webmaster athttp://www.2mm.org.uk/

    I'd have to agree with Nigel on the question of the 'right' boots.
    I'm old enough, and have bought numerous pairs of boots over the
    years, to be in theory, well experienced in buying boots, but still
    get it wrong ! Comfy boots in the shop, comfy wearing them round the
    house, but in an hour on the hill I knew I had it wrong. Fortunately
    there was no evidence of wear and I got a full refund. But those were
    full weight 3 season boots and such problems are less likely to occur
    with the Hi-Tec soft boot.

    One thing that did surprise me was that in a well known climbing shop
    in Edinburgh, I was served by an 18 year old 'yoof' whose only
    knowledge of climbing was in-door rock walls. It was a case of trying
    all the boots in the shop rather than selling knowledge giving me the
    boots that might be right. Correspondingly the trying on session
    lasted the best part of 2 hours. I am now happy with the Scarpas I
    came away with but it took much longer than I expected.

    Rob

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