Do you get 'hot' spots when riding - foot, shoulder, hands?

On Sat, 01 May 2004 17:52:46 -0400, Badger_South <[email hidden]>

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So I've been get one in the right arch, only, and my gut reaction is the
right foot is 'too tense', or 'dominating', so I switch to emphasizing the
left foot. (on left foot, I think 'mash; mash', heh.)

My right foot gets pained (not hot, though) in and near the toes; I
know it's from that foot being tense. My toes tense up to curl down,
and I have to make a very difficult conscious effort to overcome it.

If I ignore it, it goes away after awhile. I think it's a feedback
loop -- like if I think about it more, it gets worse.

Quoted message said:

Usually I shake my foot and reposition on the pedal but that doesn't seem
to have a lasting effect. Happens typically only after the 10 mile mark.

Maybe forgetting about it will make it go away.

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Thoughts?

It could be a shoe fit issue. Laced/strapped too tight or too loose,
or wrong size, or wrong shape.
--
Rick Onanian

Badger_South wrote:
:: Sometimes my right foot gets a 'hot' spot in the arch. I've hear ppl
:: talk about their 'hot spots' forming usually during long endurance
:: races, but never really define what it is that I recall. Tendon
:: rubbing, repetitive stress, too much pressure, blood flow limited by
:: muscle spasm?
::
:: Obviously you can have a 'hot spot' on the bottom of the foot
:: sometimes signalling a blister is about to form, but this feels
:: different.
::
:: My sense is that I don't want to push through it, but if most ppl do
:: I'd be willing to try.
::
:: So I've been get one in the right arch, only, and my gut reaction is
:: the right foot is 'too tense', or 'dominating', so I switch to
:: emphasizing the left foot. (on left foot, I think 'mash; mash', heh.)
::
:: Usually I shake my foot and reposition on the pedal but that doesn't
:: seem to have a lasting effect. Happens typically only after the 10
:: mile mark.
::
:: Thoughts?

Well, on the 17th of April I started riding seriously again (I'm in SC) and
I'm training for my first century (I started cycling last September at age
45 after not riding since age 12). I've noticed something in my right foot.
I can't quite pin what causes it, but I think it is happens after I stop
(like at a light) and lean over on one foot (the right) to support myself.
When I begin riding again, I feel some "weirdness" in that foot that bothers
me for a while. I think it happens well into my rides, which are on the
order of 25 to 35 miles a piece so far. After a while it seems to go away
and I don't think about it after the ride is over.

On Sat, 1 May 2004 18:17:19 -0400, "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]>

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Badger_South wrote:
:: Sometimes my right foot gets a 'hot' spot in the arch. I've hear ppl
:: talk about their 'hot spots' forming usually during long endurance
:: races, but never really define what it is that I recall. Tendon
:: rubbing, repetitive stress, too much pressure, blood flow limited by
:: muscle spasm?
::
:: Obviously you can have a 'hot spot' on the bottom of the foot
:: sometimes signalling a blister is about to form, but this feels
:: different.
::
:: My sense is that I don't want to push through it, but if most ppl do
:: I'd be willing to try.
::
:: So I've been get one in the right arch, only, and my gut reaction is
:: the right foot is 'too tense', or 'dominating', so I switch to
:: emphasizing the left foot. (on left foot, I think 'mash; mash', heh.)
::
:: Usually I shake my foot and reposition on the pedal but that doesn't
:: seem to have a lasting effect. Happens typically only after the 10
:: mile mark.
::
:: Thoughts?

Well, on the 17th of April I started riding seriously again (I'm in SC) and
I'm training for my first century (I started cycling last September at age
45 after not riding since age 12). I've noticed something in my right foot.
I can't quite pin what causes it, but I think it is happens after I stop
(like at a light) and lean over on one foot (the right) to support myself.
When I begin riding again, I feel some "weirdness" in that foot that bothers
me for a while. I think it happens well into my rides, which are on the
order of 25 to 35 miles a piece so far. After a while it seems to go away
and I don't think about it after the ride is over.

Yeah, mine goes away immediately and never think about it after the ride.

Gut reaction is I'm overtensing that foot.

Heh, it's sometimes difficult to push yourself, and continuously remember
to 'relax'.

Thx for the input. Good mileage, already btw! ;-)

-B

Rick Onanian said:

If I ignore it, it goes away after awhile. I think it's a feedback
loop -- like if I think about it more, it gets worse.

Quoted message said:

Usually I shake my foot and reposition on the pedal but that doesn't seem
to have a lasting effect. Happens typically only after the 10 mile mark.

Maybe forgetting about it will make it go away.

I'm trying to up my mileage. Might need to 'sneak up on it' more. heh-heh.

Thx.

-B

I used to get hot spots on the bottom of the foot as well. I invested in a
good pair of shoes (Sidi) and haven;t had any problems since. At first I
balked at dropping about USD$200, but I had no regrets and ended up buying
another pair for my other bike (which has different pedals/cleats).

Jim

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On Sat, 1 May 2004 18:17:19 -0400, "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]>

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Badger_South wrote:
:: Sometimes my right foot gets a 'hot' spot in the arch. I've hear ppl
:: talk about their 'hot spots' forming usually during long endurance
:: races, but never really define what it is that I recall. Tendon
:: rubbing, repetitive stress, too much pressure, blood flow limited by
:: muscle spasm?
::
:: Obviously you can have a 'hot spot' on the bottom of the foot
:: sometimes signalling a blister is about to form, but this feels
:: different.
::
:: My sense is that I don't want to push through it, but if most ppl do
:: I'd be willing to try.
::
:: So I've been get one in the right arch, only, and my gut reaction is
:: the right foot is 'too tense', or 'dominating', so I switch to
:: emphasizing the left foot. (on left foot, I think 'mash; mash', heh.)
::
:: Usually I shake my foot and reposition on the pedal but that doesn't
:: seem to have a lasting effect. Happens typically only after the 10
:: mile mark.
::
:: Thoughts?

Well, on the 17th of April I started riding seriously again (I'm in SC)

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm training for my first century (I started cycling last September at

age

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

45 after not riding since age 12). I've noticed something in my right

foot.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I can't quite pin what causes it, but I think it is happens after I stop
(like at a light) and lean over on one foot (the right) to support

myself.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

When I begin riding again, I feel some "weirdness" in that foot that

bothers

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

me for a while. I think it happens well into my rides, which are on the
order of 25 to 35 miles a piece so far. After a while it seems to go

away

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and I don't think about it after the ride is over.

Yeah, mine goes away immediately and never think about it after the ride.

Gut reaction is I'm overtensing that foot.

Heh, it's sometimes difficult to push yourself, and continuously remember
to 'relax'.

Thx for the input. Good mileage, already btw! ;-)

-B

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jmk said:

I used to get hot spots on the bottom of the foot as well. I invested in a
good pair of shoes (Sidi) and haven;t had any problems since. At first I
balked at dropping about USD$200, but I had no regrets and ended up buying
another pair for my other bike (which has different pedals/cleats).

Hmm. Interesting. If I wasn't clear, that's where mine is, bottom of the
foot. (Arch/instep, hard to know what to call it)

I'll look into the shoe thing. I'm currently just wearing a good walking
shoe from New Balance (852) for the side support, (on my doc's
recommendation), and not an actual biking shoe, FWIW.

Best,

-B

On Sat, 01 May 2004 20:44:35 -0400, Badger_South <[email hidden]>

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jmk said:

I used to get hot spots on the bottom of the foot as well. I invested in a
good pair of shoes (Sidi) and haven;t had any problems since. At first I
balked at dropping about USD$200, but I had no regrets and ended up buying
another pair for my other bike (which has different pedals/cleats).

Hmm. Interesting. If I wasn't clear, that's where mine is, bottom of the
foot. (Arch/instep, hard to know what to call it)

I'll look into the shoe thing. I'm currently just wearing a good walking
shoe from New Balance (852) for the side support, (on my doc's
recommendation), and not an actual biking shoe, FWIW.

Best,

-B

Walking shoes have decent flexibility in the sole, which great for the
motion of walking. But when biking, you don't want the foot flexing in
reaction to the pressure of pedalling. You might be straining the arch
of your foot, leading to the hot feeling. Maybe only one side because
you aren't sing both sides in the same way?

You could buy biking shoes. There are mountain bike style/street
biking shoes that are fine to use without the cleats and they will
give you some stiffness.I have a pair of Shimano SH- MO34 shoes, which
are bit stiff for walking and a bit flexible for biking, but a decent
compromise.

The other option is to pay more attention to what happens to your
right foot, and see if there are ways in your pedalling to reduce the
strain. If your right leg is your stronger leg, that might explain the
extra strain on that side. Suggestion- spend some time paying more
attention to the *left* leg, practice using it with more force and
letting the right leg just float along for the ride. This might
balance out your pedalling and foot pressure. Also pay attention to
lifting up the right leg rather than pushing down.

On Sat, 01 May 2004 17:59:24 -0700, Dan Daniel <[email hidden]>

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Walking shoes have decent flexibility in the sole, which great for the
motion of walking. But when biking, you don't want the foot flexing in
reaction to the pressure of pedalling. You might be straining the arch
of your foot, leading to the hot feeling. Maybe only one side because
you aren't using both sides in the same way?

This makes a lot of sense. Thx!

Best,
-B

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My right foot gets pained (not hot, though) in and near the toes; I
know it's from that foot being tense. My toes tense up to curl down,
and I have to make a very difficult conscious effort to overcome it.

I get the above if I'm doing anything over about 15 miles. In my case I think
it's a mixture of tensing my foot and the fact the sole of the shoe is so hard
directly next to the sole of my foot.

I have sorted it :-)

I got some thin Sorbothane insoles for my cycling shoes.
See http://www.return2fitness.co.uk/product.php?id=68494
Works wonders for me. The difference is noticeable from as soon as I set off
cycling. Bliss.

Cheers, helen s

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On 02 May 2004 09:37:41 GMT, [email hidden]

(dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) said:

I get the above if I'm doing anything over about 15 miles. In my case I think
it's a mixture of tensing my foot and the fact the sole of the shoe is so hard
directly next to the sole of my foot.

I have sorted it :-)

I got some thin Sorbothane insoles for my cycling shoes.
See http://www.return2fitness.co.uk/product.php?id=68494
Works wonders for me. The difference is noticeable from as soon as I set off
cycling. Bliss.

Cheers, helen s

Thx Helen. I'll look into those.

-B

I will get hot spots on the foot typically on longer (50+ miles) rides, or
when the weather's warm. The cure is to wear my roadie shoes, which are both
a hair too large for me and have great ventilation, and a pair of cushy
smart wool trail runner (cushier than their bike) socks. The combo of the
extra padding and ventilation will prevent the problem.

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Quoted message said:

Walking shoes have decent flexibility in the sole, which great for the
motion of walking. But when biking, you don't want the foot flexing in
reaction to the pressure of pedalling. You might be straining the arch
of your foot, leading to the hot feeling. Maybe only one side because
you aren't sing both sides in the same way?

Interesting thought -- I just posted that I thought the roadie shoes
prevented hot spots because of ventilation, but they also have a
tremendously stiff sole -- much stiffer than my commuter shoe. Maybe that's
the big difference, and I just wasn't aware of it.

--
Warm Regards,

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Claire Petersky said:

I will get hot spots on the foot typically on longer (50+ miles) rides, or
when the weather's warm. The cure is to wear my roadie shoes, which are both
a hair too large for me and have great ventilation, and a pair of cushy
smart wool trail runner (cushier than their bike) socks. The combo of the
extra padding and ventilation will prevent the problem.

Not sure we're talking about the same thing. This kind of hot spot is not
generated by poor ventilation, but seems to be a deep internal thing like a
tendon heat up due to poor biomechanicals or overuse, and it just feels
like 'danger'. It's not a 'surface' thing, like wearing too many layers or
something.

Thx for the input though.

-B

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Badger_South said:

Claire Petersky said:

I will get hot spots on the foot typically on longer (50+ miles) rides, or
when the weather's warm. The cure is to wear my roadie shoes, which are both
a hair too large for me and have great ventilation, and a pair of cushy
smart wool trail runner (cushier than their bike) socks. The combo of the
extra padding and ventilation will prevent the problem.

Not sure we're talking about the same thing. This kind of hot spot is not
generated by poor ventilation, but seems to be a deep internal thing like a
tendon heat up due to poor biomechanicals or overuse, and it just feels
like 'danger'. It's not a 'surface' thing, like wearing too many layers or
something.

Thx for the input though.

-B

Fit! Fit! Fit!
This would include the position of your cleats on your shoes while on the bike.

BTW, the shoe liners work great for me, too.

HAND

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Interesting thought -- I just posted that I thought the roadie shoes
prevented hot spots because of ventilation, but they also have a
tremendously stiff sole -- much stiffer than my commuter shoe. Maybe that's
the big difference, and I just wasn't aware of it.

Sole thickness varies from brand to brand and can vary within the brand.

My Sidi Dominator mountain shoes are much stiffer than the Shimano mountain
shoes they replaced.

Pedal platform also plays a role. If you are riding using "normal" pedals
with toeclips you have a much larger platform than someone using an SPD
pedal.

It's best to think in terms of "shoe-pedal" systems when considering how
much flexing the foot this allowed.

Chris Neary
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Sometimes my right foot gets a 'hot' spot in the arch. I've hear ppl talk
about their 'hot spots' forming usually during long endurance races, but
never really define what it is that I recall. Tendon rubbing, repetitive
stress, too much pressure, blood flow limited by muscle spasm?

Obviously you can have a 'hot spot' on the bottom of the foot sometimes
signalling a blister is about to form, but this feels different.

My sense is that I don't want to push through it, but if most ppl do I'd be
willing to try.

So I've been get one in the right arch, only, and my gut reaction is the
right foot is 'too tense', or 'dominating', so I switch to emphasizing the
left foot. (on left foot, I think 'mash; mash', heh.)

Usually I shake my foot and reposition on the pedal but that doesn't seem
to have a lasting effect. Happens typically only after the 10 mile mark.

Thoughts?

-B

This is a common problem known as "hot foot." It happens when the
nerves in your foot are compressed, creating a burning sensation. The
link below is to an article that describes the problem and offers
suggestions for curing it:

http://www.roadbikerider.com/articles.htm#How%20to%20Solve%20Painful%20Hot%20Foot

Good luck,
Richard Stanz