Do Rex and LA share bloodthinners?

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EPO thickens the blood, you know. Shades of Tugboat here......

CP #3

Not anymore. Armstrong is retired. ;-)

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EPO thickens the blood, you know. Shades of Tugboat here......

B. Lafferty said:

Not anymore. Armstrong is retired. ;-)

So is Tugboat.

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Hey Laff,

Just curious, why the obsession with LANCE when a guy like
Moninger (who is *still* getting mileage from claiming
supplement contamination proven by a discredited test result)
gets a free pass.

Bob Schwartz
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Hey Laff,

Just curious, why the obsession with LANCE when a guy like
Moninger (who is *still* getting mileage from claiming
supplement contamination proven by a discredited test result)
gets a free pass.

Bob Schwartz
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Just curious, where's your sense of humor?

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crit PRO said:

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EPO thickens the blood, you know. Shades of Tugboat here......

B. Lafferty said:

Not anymore. Armstrong is retired. ;-)

So is Tugboat.

Which is to say that there's retired and then there's "retired."

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>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/sep05/sep21news2

Hey Laff,

Just curious, why the obsession with LANCE when a guy like
Moninger (who is *still* getting mileage from claiming
supplement contamination proven by a discredited test result)
gets a free pass.

Bob Schwartz
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Just curious, where's your sense of humor?

I don't have anything to add, just exercising my "obsessive dislike" for
you. Gotta keep it in shape, you know.

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>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/sep05/sep21news2

Hey Laff,

Just curious, why the obsession with LANCE when a guy like
Moninger (who is *still* getting mileage from claiming
supplement contamination proven by a discredited test result)
gets a free pass.

Bob Schwartz
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Just curious, where's your sense of humor?

I don't have anything to add, just exercising my "obsessive dislike" for
you. Gotta keep it in shape, you know.

Hug.

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>>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/sep05/sep21news2
>
>Hey Laff,
>
>Just curious, why the obsession with LANCE when a guy like
>Moninger (who is *still* getting mileage from claiming
>supplement contamination proven by a discredited test result)
>gets a free pass.
>
>Bob Schwartz
>[email hidden]

Just curious, where's your sense of humor?

I don't have anything to add, just exercising my "obsessive dislike" for
you. Gotta keep it in shape, you know.

Hug.

Don't do that again or I'm going to have to demand an explanation for
why you hate America so much.

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> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/sep05/sep21news2

Hey Laff,

Just curious, why the obsession with LANCE when a guy like
Moninger (who is *still* getting mileage from claiming
supplement contamination proven by a discredited test result)
gets a free pass.

Bob Schwartz
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Just curious, where's your sense of humor?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, LANCE's retired. I get it.

I'm just wondering why it all begins and ends with LANCE
with you. Seeing the bit on Moninger on that page sort
of put a point on that for me. I mean, here is a guy that
would seem to be a prime target for the LAFF crusade. Or
Musseuw. Now there's a parallel case. Why aren't you
foaming at the mouth about Musseuw over the stuff that
came to light after he retired? Why aren't you foaming
that Moninger is still racing?

Just curious.

Bob Schwartz
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B. Lafferty said:

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Hug.

Tim Lines said:

Don't do that again or I'm going to have to demand an explanation for
why you hate America so much.

http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/08/10/politics/mills650.jpg

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>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/sep05/sep21news2

Hey Laff,

Just curious, why the obsession with LANCE when a guy like
Moninger (who is *still* getting mileage from claiming
supplement contamination proven by a discredited test result)
gets a free pass.

Bob Schwartz
[email hidden]

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Just curious, where's your sense of humor?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, LANCE's retired. I get it.

I'm just wondering why it all begins and ends with LANCE
with you. Seeing the bit on Moninger on that page sort
of put a point on that for me. I mean, here is a guy that
would seem to be a prime target for the LAFF crusade. Or
Musseuw. Now there's a parallel case. Why aren't you
foaming at the mouth about Musseuw over the stuff that
came to light after he retired? Why aren't you foaming
that Moninger is still racing?

Just curious.

Bob Schwartz

I'm even more outraged by Ludovic Capelle. Aren't you??!!

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>>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/sep05/sep21news2
>
> Hey Laff,
>
> Just curious, why the obsession with LANCE when a guy like
> Moninger (who is *still* getting mileage from claiming
> supplement contamination proven by a discredited test result)
> gets a free pass.
>
> Bob Schwartz
> [email hidden]

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Just curious, where's your sense of humor?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, LANCE's retired. I get it.

I'm just wondering why it all begins and ends with LANCE
with you. Seeing the bit on Moninger on that page sort
of put a point on that for me. I mean, here is a guy that
would seem to be a prime target for the LAFF crusade. Or
Musseuw. Now there's a parallel case. Why aren't you
foaming at the mouth about Musseuw over the stuff that
came to light after he retired? Why aren't you foaming
that Moninger is still racing?

Just curious.

Bob Schwartz

I'm even more outraged by Ludovic Capelle. Aren't you??!!

Not to mention Rutger Beke !!!!!

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> "Bob Schwartz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/sep05/sep21news2
>>
>> Hey Laff,
>>
>> Just curious, why the obsession with LANCE when a guy like
>> Moninger (who is *still* getting mileage from claiming
>> supplement contamination proven by a discredited test result)
>> gets a free pass.
>>
>> Bob Schwartz
>> [email hidden]

> Just curious, where's your sense of humor?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, LANCE's retired. I get it.

I'm just wondering why it all begins and ends with LANCE
with you. Seeing the bit on Moninger on that page sort
of put a point on that for me. I mean, here is a guy that
would seem to be a prime target for the LAFF crusade. Or
Musseuw. Now there's a parallel case. Why aren't you
foaming at the mouth about Musseuw over the stuff that
came to light after he retired? Why aren't you foaming
that Moninger is still racing?

Just curious.

Bob Schwartz

I'm even more outraged by Ludovic Capelle. Aren't you??!!

Not to mention Rutger Beke !!!!!

Ha. He could just be that rare exception with his biochemistry. If they can
document it, he has a defense. That doesn't at all mean that everyone has
that defense. Think of it as a corollary to Cunego with his normal 53%
hematocrit. But you understood that before posting.

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> B. Lafferty <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>> "Bob Schwartz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>>>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/sep05/sep21news2
>>>
>>> Hey Laff,
>>>
>>> Just curious, why the obsession with LANCE when a guy like
>>> Moninger (who is *still* getting mileage from claiming
>>> supplement contamination proven by a discredited test result)
>>> gets a free pass.
>>>
>>> Bob Schwartz
>>> [email hidden]
>
>> Just curious, where's your sense of humor?
>
> Yeah, yeah, yeah, LANCE's retired. I get it.
>
> I'm just wondering why it all begins and ends with LANCE
> with you. Seeing the bit on Moninger on that page sort
> of put a point on that for me. I mean, here is a guy that
> would seem to be a prime target for the LAFF crusade. Or
> Musseuw. Now there's a parallel case. Why aren't you
> foaming at the mouth about Musseuw over the stuff that
> came to light after he retired? Why aren't you foaming
> that Moninger is still racing?
>
> Just curious.
>
> Bob Schwartz

I'm even more outraged by Ludovic Capelle. Aren't you??!!

Not to mention Rutger Beke !!!!!

Ha. He could just be that rare exception with his biochemistry. If they
can document it, he has a defense. That doesn't at all mean that everyone
has that defense. Think of it as a corollary to Cunego with his normal 53%
hematocrit. But you understood that before posting.

He is an athlete that tests positive for having taken synthetic EPO when in
fact he hadn't. As is Virginia Berasategui. And Ibán Rodríguez. Make you
wonder exactly how rare such an exception is ...

Presumably the limit of 50% was established based on a knowledge of what
percentage of riders have naturally occurring HCTs over 50. AFAIK, no study
has been done to show what percentage of riders can be expected to give
false positives for EPO and under what conditions (remember, it occurs after
prolonged intense effort). With three known "rare exceptions", and no such
study done, the reliability of the current EPO test is certainly under
question.

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>> B. Lafferty <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>>> "Bob Schwartz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>>>>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/sep05/sep21news2
>>>>
>>>> Hey Laff,
>>>>
>>>> Just curious, why the obsession with LANCE when a guy like
>>>> Moninger (who is *still* getting mileage from claiming
>>>> supplement contamination proven by a discredited test result)
>>>> gets a free pass.
>>>>
>>>> Bob Schwartz
>>>> [email hidden]
>>
>>> Just curious, where's your sense of humor?
>>
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, LANCE's retired. I get it.
>>
>> I'm just wondering why it all begins and ends with LANCE
>> with you. Seeing the bit on Moninger on that page sort
>> of put a point on that for me. I mean, here is a guy that
>> would seem to be a prime target for the LAFF crusade. Or
>> Musseuw. Now there's a parallel case. Why aren't you
>> foaming at the mouth about Musseuw over the stuff that
>> came to light after he retired? Why aren't you foaming
>> that Moninger is still racing?
>>
>> Just curious.
>>
>> Bob Schwartz
>
> I'm even more outraged by Ludovic Capelle. Aren't you??!!
Not to mention Rutger Beke !!!!!

Ha. He could just be that rare exception with his biochemistry. If they
can document it, he has a defense. That doesn't at all mean that
everyone has that defense. Think of it as a corollary to Cunego with his
normal 53% hematocrit. But you understood that before posting.

He is an athlete that tests positive for having taken synthetic EPO when
in fact he hadn't. As is Virginia Berasategui. And Ibán Rodríguez. Make
you wonder exactly how rare such an exception is ...

You're right, as is Hein. Drug use in cycling, especially EPO, is just a
very, very minor problem in the post-Festina era. This is clear from all
the tri-athletes who are using the defense as opposed to cyclists. No doubt
cyclists will take their cue from the tri folks in the future. The few who
are testing positive for EPO are all naturally excreting excess protein into
their urine. And cyclists would never dope with someone else's blood--too
much risk of disease spreading to spouses and significant others. And
autologous transfusions are simply too expensive for most cyclists to engage
in, except for the higher paid ones.
À votre santé

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Presumably the limit of 50% was established based on a knowledge of what
percentage of riders have naturally occurring HCTs over 50.

IIRC, studies of endurance athletes have show a norm much lower than 50%.
The 50% level was set prior to a test for EPO and has been called a license
to cheat.

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AFAIK, no study has been done to show what percentage of riders can be
expected to give false positives for EPO and under what conditions
(remember, it occurs after prolonged intense effort). With three known
"rare exceptions", and no such study done, the reliability of the current
EPO test is certainly under question.

Which his why the Châtenay-Malabry lab was conducting its research using
three methodologies.

Maybe it does happen.
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Hey Laff,

Just curious, why the obsession with LANCE when a guy like
Moninger (who is *still* getting mileage from claiming
supplement contamination proven by a discredited test result)
gets a free pass.

Bob Schwartz
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Eh? Given that it really isn't possible for 'it' to happen
the way he said it did don't you have to wonder if maybe
it didn't happen?

Bob Schwartz
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Steve said:

Maybe it does happen.

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> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/sep05/sep21news2

Hey Laff,

Just curious, why the obsession with LANCE when a guy like
Moninger (who is *still* getting mileage from claiming
supplement contamination proven by a discredited test result)
gets a free pass.

Bob Schwartz
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