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  1. I've just read this on the BBC site and have realised the
    error of my ways.

    news.bbc.co.uk3722221.stm

    All these years I've been stuffing myself with bread, rice,
    pasta and potatoes in the mistaken belief that my body needs
    them for energy while cycling and all I needed to do was to
    eat more fat and protein. I mean the bloke who invented it
    was a svelte 17 stone when he died and those heart problems
    he had were just vicious rumours ;-)

    So no more spaghetti, cake and flapjacks anyone!

    --
    Simon Mason Anlaby East Yorkshire. 53°44'N 0°26'W
    simonmason.karoo.netsimonmason.karoo.net

  2. Simon Mason:

    Quoted message said:

    I've just read this on the BBC site and have realised the
    error of my


    ways.

    I stopped reading at the line: "However, the research was
    funded by the Robert C Atkins Foundation."

    So, I guess I shall have to remain an ignorant cake-eater.

    d.

  3. Simon Mason said:

    I've just read this on the BBC site and have realised the
    error of my ways.

    news.bbc.co.uk3722221.stm

    All these years I've been stuffing myself with bread,
    rice, pasta and potatoes in the mistaken belief that my
    body needs them for energy while cycling and all I needed
    to do was to eat more fat and protein. I mean the bloke
    who invented it was a svelte 17 stone when he died and
    those heart problems he had were just vicious rumours ;-)

    As a rule people are lazy and stupid. The atkins diet is
    easy to follow, and will work until you're sick of it
    because meat fills you up quickly. The only thing that works
    is either eating less consistently, or doing more exercise.
    You can't feed yourself [censored] and expect to be magically fit
    and healthy, as the vast majority of people seem to think.

    Quoted message said:

    So no more spaghetti, cake and flapjacks anyone!

    So that bun and almond chewy biscuit thing was good
    for me 😄?

  4. Simon Mason said:

    I've just read this on the BBC site and have realised the
    error of my ways.

    news.bbc.co.uk3722221.stm

    All these years I've been stuffing myself with bread,
    rice, pasta and potatoes in the mistaken belief that my
    body needs them for energy while cycling and all I needed
    to do was to eat more fat and protein. I mean the bloke
    who invented it was a svelte 17 stone when he died and
    those heart problems he had were just vicious rumours ;-)

    So no more spaghetti, cake and flapjacks anyone!


    There may well be a rise in the cancer figures in a few
    years time due to the reduced levels of antioxidants in the
    Atkins diet.

    How could the Atkins diet work for me since I am a veggie?

    Rob Horton

  5. I don't care! I can't ride now anyway.

    A few years ago, I cycled almost daily between Golders
    Green and Hillingdon (about 25km each way). Every Thursday,
    I would have tea and LOTS of cake with my grandmother.
    Every Friday, I would cycle to work faster than I had the
    rest of the week.

    So far as I'm concerned, I was turbocharged by that cake.

    I'm not sure what I enjoyed more, the cake, my grandmother's
    company or my speed & power on a Friday...

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden] Edgware.

  6. After six months of a low-carb (NOT no-carb!) diet I've lost
    four stone and eight inches off my waistband.

    I have also been able to get back into cycling after a ten+
    year absence and last night, for example, enjoyed a very
    nice 15 miles round the hills where I live, on the edge of
    the Peak park.

    Over the last six months I have heard a lot of opinions re
    low carb diets and Atkins in particular. Most opiners have
    never read the Atkins book, and the very worst slaggings I
    got was from fit people who thought the very idea of a
    fattie being able to gorge at McD's and be like Lance after
    six months was ridiculous. Which of course it is....
    complete bollocks. I have also endured sniggers and snipes
    from fit, active types about how much you need carbs to fuel
    your body. Which of course you do, if you are a fit, active
    type. BUT: I wasn't fit or active. I tried cutting fat out,
    no sugar, etc etc but simply ended up hungry all the time
    and depressed that it just didn't work. For people that sit
    at a desk all day and are 115kg like I was, carbs are sommat
    to be avoided. At least until you are a more realistic
    weight. Cycling Weekly had a positive article recently about
    LC diets, the scientific community is coming round to the
    truth too - for myself, I am utterly delighted. But please
    don't think it's all about huge steaks and throwing away the
    bun off your burger. There is a LOT more to it than that, in
    fact the whole program is supposed to be about increasing
    carb intake every week until you hit a maintainable level of
    weight, excersise and diet. Which of course, means a proper,
    varied and balanced diet together with more excersise. But
    to try and dump 30kg by eating low-fat low-cal, it's just
    torture, believe me.

    Remeber, reducing diets are for fat people - not sports
    people! Oh, and Atkins is FOR LIFE because by the time you
    have lost weight and worked up through the program, you end
    up an a regulation "good balanced diet" anyway. The trick to
    keeping it off is a lifestyle change, there ARE NO MAGIC
    BULLETS! Everyone knows that, as a fat bloke it keeps one
    from even trying to get back from the brink as it just seems
    impossible. Atkins is a way of getting going in the right
    direction, with results and most importantly without huge
    hunger pangs, gorging and subsequent guilt...

    Of course, it would be difficult to do a LC veggie diet but
    then how many 18 stone veggies do you know?

    Finally (!) all this talk about long term health, can anyone
    explain how I'm worse off being on Aktins as opposed to how
    I was: sedentary, 115kg and heading for big trouble?

    bfn,

    Tony B

  7. "Tony B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    After six months of a low-carb (NOT no-carb!) diet I've
    lost four stone


    and

    Quoted message said:

    eight inches off my waistband.

    <SNIP>

    6 months, stone and a half, and never felt more sprightly. I
    am riding more now than I have for about 10 years, with more
    power. I don't wake up feeling groggy. I think SO much
    clearer. I agree, it is not as simple as just eat meet,
    there is the approach- and it may not work for everyone.

    But put my name down for it working well.

    Simon

  8. "Tony B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    After six months of a low-carb (NOT no-carb!) diet I've
    lost four stone


    and

    Quoted message said:

    eight inches off my waistband.

    <SNIP>

    6 months, stone and a half, and never felt more sprightly. I
    am riding more now than I have for about 10 years, with more
    power. I don't wake up feeling groggy. I think SO much
    clearer. I agree, it is not as simple as just eat meet,
    there is the approach- and it may not work for everyone.

    But put my name down for it working well.

    Simon

  9. Tony B:

    Quoted message said:

    Remeber, reducing diets are for fat people - not
    sports people!

    "Reducing" diets are not for anyone. Healthy, balanced diets
    appropriate to an individual's lifestyle are for everyone.

    My diet includes fat (including evil "high cholesterol"
    stuff such as butter), carbs (lots of pasta), booze and,
    most importantly, plenty of fresh fruit and veg. My problem
    is not what I eat but how much I eat. However, since I've
    got back into cycling I have found my fitness improving
    drastically in rapid time without any significant change to
    my diet at all.

    Quoted message said:

    The trick to keeping it off is a lifestyle change

    What, you mean like taking up exercise instead of being a
    slob? Can't disagree with that.

    d.

  10. Tony B:

    Quoted message said:

    Remeber, reducing diets are for fat people - not
    sports people!

    "Reducing" diets are not for anyone. Healthy, balanced diets
    appropriate to an individual's lifestyle are for everyone.

    My diet includes fat (including evil "high cholesterol"
    stuff such as butter), carbs (lots of pasta), booze and,
    most importantly, plenty of fresh fruit and veg. My problem
    is not what I eat but how much I eat. However, since I've
    got back into cycling I have found my fitness improving
    drastically in rapid time without any significant change to
    my diet at all.

    Quoted message said:

    The trick to keeping it off is a lifestyle change

    What, you mean like taking up exercise instead of being a
    slob? Can't disagree with that.

    d.

  11. On Tue, 18 May 2004 18:50:52 +0100, "Simon"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Atkins. What goes around comes around, eh? Back in the 70s
    starch was the enemy, then it was saturated fat, then
    cholesterol, and now it's starch again. In the mean time I
    continue to eat what I always have, but these days I ensure
    that intake balances output.

    Quoted message said:

    6 months, stone and a half, and never felt more sprightly.
    I am riding more now than I have for about 10 years, with
    more power.

    3 months, 3 stone, never put the weight back on, and now
    ride further and faster than ever. I eat masses of carbs,
    and even drink beer.

    IOW, what matters is that you don't consume more than you
    burn. All the fad diets in the world will never change that.

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.co.ukchapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

  12. Tony B said:

    After six months of a low-carb (NOT no-carb!) diet I've
    lost four stone and eight inches off my waistband.

    I have also been able to get back into cycling after a
    ten+ year absence and last night, for example, enjoyed a
    very nice 15 miles round the hills where I live, on the
    edge of the Peak park.

    Over the last six months I have heard a lot of opinions re
    low carb diets and Atkins in particular. Most opiners have
    never read the Atkins book, and the very worst slaggings I
    got was from fit people who thought the very idea of a
    fattie being able to gorge at McD's and be like Lance
    after six months was ridiculous. Which of course it is....
    complete bollocks. I have also endured sniggers and snipes
    from fit, active types about how much you need carbs to
    fuel your body. Which of course you do, if you are a fit,
    active type. BUT: I wasn't fit or active. I tried cutting
    fat out, no sugar, etc etc but simply ended up hungry all
    the time and depressed that it just didn't work. For
    people that sit at a desk all day and are 115kg like I
    was, carbs are sommat to be avoided. At least until you
    are a more realistic weight. Cycling Weekly had a positive
    article recently about LC diets, the scientific community
    is coming round to the truth too - for myself, I am
    utterly delighted. But please don't think it's all about
    huge steaks and throwing away the bun off your burger.
    There is a LOT more to it than that, in fact the whole
    program is supposed to be about increasing carb intake
    every week until you hit a maintainable level of weight,
    excersise and diet. Which of course, means a proper,
    varied and balanced diet together with more excersise. But
    to try and dump 30kg by eating low-fat low-cal, it's just
    torture, believe me.

    Remeber, reducing diets are for fat people - not sports
    people! Oh, and Atkins is FOR LIFE because by the time you
    have lost weight and worked up through the program, you
    end up an a regulation "good balanced diet" anyway. The
    trick to keeping it off is a lifestyle change, there ARE
    NO MAGIC BULLETS! Everyone knows that, as a fat bloke it
    keeps one from even trying to get back from the brink as
    it just seems impossible. Atkins is a way of getting going
    in the right direction, with results and most importantly
    without huge hunger pangs, gorging and subsequent guilt...

    Of course, it would be difficult to do a LC veggie diet
    but then how many 18 stone veggies do you know?

    Finally (!) all this talk about long term health, can
    anyone explain how I'm worse off being on Aktins as
    opposed to how I was: sedentary, 115kg and heading for big
    trouble?

    bfn,

    Tony B

    Hear Hear!

    I was going to reply to some of the ignorant comments in
    this thread, but you've said it far better than I can.

    Pete

    Doing Atkins for around a year, 7 stone lost and I did
    60 miles at
    18.37mph average today 🙂

  13. In "]news:[email hidden],
    Ningi <[email hidden]> typed:

    Quoted message said:


    I was going to reply to some of the ignorant comments in
    this thread, but you've said it far better than I can.

    Doing Atkins for around a year, 7 stone lost and I did 60
    miles at
    18.37mph average today 🙂

    I did the Crohn's relapse diet and lost 30kg the year
    before last, and I've just lost 5kg on it in the last 3
    weeks again. Annoyingly, however, I keep putting it back on
    at the same speed when the medics sort it out. And all as
    muscle, too.

    Which is to say "I don't need to lose weight, you
    insensitive clod!"*, so maybe the 'ignorant' comments are
    just talking about different people with different needs. I
    know there's plenty of other posters here who need to make a
    bit of effort to keep weight up but fortunately none of them
    as urgently as me.

    Mind you, you're a better cyclist than me.

    A

    *This is a canned phrase, please don't take offense

  14. Ambrose Nankivell said:

    In "]news:[email hidden],
    Ningi <[email hidden]> typed:

    Quoted message said:

    I was going to reply to some of the ignorant comments in
    this thread, but you've said it far better than I can.

    Doing Atkins for around a year, 7 stone lost and I did 60
    miles at
    18.37mph average today 🙂

    I did the Crohn's relapse diet and lost 30kg the year
    before last, and I've just lost 5kg on it in the last 3
    weeks again. Annoyingly, however, I keep putting it back
    on at the same speed when the medics sort it out. And all
    as muscle, too.

    Which is to say "I don't need to lose weight, you
    insensitive clod!"*, so maybe the 'ignorant' comments are
    just talking about different people with different needs.
    I know there's plenty of other posters here who need to
    make a bit of effort to keep weight up but fortunately
    none of them as urgently as me.

    This is kind of the point I was making. Well, I was
    violently agreeing with Tony B 🙂 The Atkins diet is for
    people who DO need to lose weight and, often, have failed at
    various other diets. If you are a reasonable weight, and
    take plenty of exercise, then carbohydrates are good thing.
    They certainly make me feel better while cycling. When I'm
    not exercising so much, they are best kept tightly
    controlled.

    Quoted message said:


    Mind you, you're a better cyclist than me.

    Well, today was my best yet, and my new bike is worth 2mph
    over the old one 🙂

    Quoted message said:


    A

    *This is a canned phrase, please don't take offense

    None taken.

    Pete

  15. IRTA "do not eat crabs" - whch is fine, as I don't like
    seafood much.

    --
    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after
    posting. chapmancentral.co.ukchapmancentral.co.uk

    Victory is ours! Down with Eric the Half A Brain!

  16. Rob Horton yahoo.com@mr_horton said:
    Simon Mason said:

    I've just read this on the BBC site and have realised the
    error of my ways.

    news.bbc.co.uk3722221.stm

    All these years I've been stuffing myself with bread,
    rice, pasta and potatoes in the mistaken belief that my
    body needs them for energy while cycling and all I needed
    to do was to eat more fat and protein. I mean the bloke
    who invented it was a svelte 17 stone when he died and
    those heart problems he had were just vicious rumours ;-)

    So no more spaghetti, cake and flapjacks anyone!

    Quoted message said:

    There may well be a rise in the cancer figures in a few
    years time due to the reduced levels of antioxidants in the
    Atkins diet.

    You must be talking about some other diet, since the Atkins
    diet increases most folk's vegetable consumption a lot.

    --
    Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
    IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
    ["]http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

  17. "Tony B" <[email hidden]> wrote
    in message

    Quoted message said:


    Finally (!) all this talk about long term health, can
    anyone explain how


    I'm

    Quoted message said:

    worse off being on Aktins as opposed to how I was:
    sedentary, 115kg and heading for big trouble?

    Well done :-) I admire your determination. Most people I
    know who are on it long term *do* see it as "eat the middle
    of the Big Mac and throw away the bread" though and of
    course it hasn't worked.

    --
    Simon M.

  18. Simon Mason said:

    I work with dozens of people on this diet and not one of
    them is slim.

    People on diets not thin. Film at 11.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, I fail to grasp what is healthy about not eating a
    entire food group including fruits and veg ( I know you
    are limited to a small amount)

    There's a compulsory amount of vegetables. When I was doing
    Atkins, my vegetable consumption went up, not down.
    Unsurprisingly, people who start Atkins often already have a
    terrible diet.

    (I lost nearly 2 stone, but I found I was too much of a
    jessy to give up bread, so I stopped)

    --
    Keith Willoughby flat222.orgkeith johnk-johnk-
    erryisadouchebagbutimvotingforhimanyway.com/

  19. "Helen Deborah Vecht" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I don't care! I can't ride now anyway.

    I know - I really feel for you Helen :-( But you've done
    more than I ever will and to Goole as well :-) Might you
    make it to York this year?

    Simon

  20. "Ningi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Tony B said:

    After six months of a low-carb (NOT no-carb!) diet I've
    lost four stone


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    eight inches off my waistband.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    bfn,

    Tony B

    Hear Hear!

    I was going to reply to some of the ignorant comments in
    this thread, but you've said it far better than I can.

    I work with dozens of people on this diet and not one of
    them is slim. Also, I fail to grasp what is healthy about
    not eating a entire food group including fruits and veg ( I
    know you are limited to a small amount) and deliberately
    not eating the very stuff your body runs on. All the diet
    does is force the body against it's natural function to use
    up its fat reserve as a main energy source which we are not
    designed to do.

    From what I see around me, it's for (this is not having a
    go at people here) lazy people who want to sit in front of
    the telly eating cheese and bacon and somehow kid
    themselves they are doing themselves any good. It does
    nothing to exercise your heart muscle and its creator was a
    prime example of how healthy it is long term. Bananas bad -
    lard good?

    --
    Simon M.

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