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  1. As a GNC gold card member, I'm a sucker for marketing. I don't know why
    they discontinued their 'Lets Live' magazine because every month I
    would read their articles and say to myself 'I need to incorporate
    that into my diet'.

    A little background. I'm a healthy 35 year old male, I'll get into my
    diet later. No health problems other than I was diagnosed with a
    bulging disc a few years back. If I keep my weight down and exercise,
    it doesn't give me any problems.

    Until recently I have been taking daily:

    Mega Men Multivitamin
    Metamucil psyllium fiber pills
    Glucosamine/Condroitin
    Atkins Essential Oils (Omega 3 and 6)
    Super Vanadyl Fuel (Vanadium and Chromium for glucose/fat burning)

    And have been considering adding Alpha Lipoic acid, probiotics,
    enzymes, and various other things.

    I'm re-evaluating supplementation because 1) it's getting expensive and
    2) it's getting out of hand.

    Because I hate to shop and cook, and need to lose some weight, I
    started getting my meals from Seattle Sutton Healthy Eating (which I
    love BTW). Now they claim that you dont even need to take supplements
    because their meals have been creted to provide you with all the
    nutrients you need. I don't know if I agree with that, I do know that
    the calorie level is less than what I need a day (hence the weight
    loss) so I continue to supplement with mutivitamins.

    As of now I am only taking a Mega Men Multivit and the fiber supplement
    - more for a convenience issue than supplementation 😉 I can say there
    has been no real noticeable difference in the way I feel. Are there
    real advantages to taking suplements when you are not treating anything
    and you have a healthy diet? Or is it all marketing?

  2. Boy this one should start a huge debate. Most people feel very
    strongly about this issue one way or another. I'm just going to give
    you my opinion and let you take it for what it's worth.

    Personally, I use supplements. The ONLY reason I do so is that today's
    foods have, on average, far fewer nutrients than the same foods of 100
    years ago. Our topsoil in the U.S. has dwindled from an average of 18"
    deep to only 6". Our crops are often watered with chlorinated water
    supplies. The chlorine kills off the microbes in the soil that help
    create the nutrients plants take up. I could go on, but I think you
    get the idea.

    A good quality omega 3 oil is important for most Americans. Our bodies
    need Omega 3 and Omega 6 fatty acids in a near 1 to 1 ratio. Most of
    our modern foods contain way more n-6 than n-3.

    In short, supplementation is just a way to make up for the loss of
    nutrients that *should* be in our food be are not.

    That's just my opinion.

    Max.

  3. <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Mega Men Multivitamin
    Metamucil psyllium fiber pills
    Glucosamine/Condroitin
    Atkins Essential Oils (Omega 3 and 6)
    Super Vanadyl Fuel (Vanadium and Chromium for glucose/fat burning)

    And have been considering adding Alpha Lipoic acid, probiotics,
    enzymes, and various other things.

    In case you don't have some kind of disease that forces you to take this:
    you don't need most of that.

    You can take the multivit if you feel like you really need to supplement,
    but the rest is just unnecessary.

    Get your vitamins from eating more vegetables and fruit- you get your fiber
    from vegetables as well, they have plenty of that.

    Get your essential fatty acids from eating a serving of fresh fish or
    seafood about once a week.

    If you want to loose weight then try to move more and make a list of what
    you eat..
    you will probably already know which food items you should drop from that
    list to reach your goal.

    More movement (start with swimming for instance) will also help your
    cartilage and joint problems (movement stimulates growth/repair
    mechanisms)... at 35 you should not need chondroitin (and there is no good
    study to tell if oral administered chondroitin does anything beneficial at
    all).

    Try to eat quality food instead of supplements of doubtful quality.

  4. The amount of stress will determine how much of what kinds of
    supplements you need to take, if any. One major stressor is rancid
    fats, and this can occur in your body (in vivo lipid peroxidation it is
    called). Unsaturated fatty acids can do this, whereas saturated fatty
    acids are safe, yet the "experts" are mostly telling people to consume
    fish oil, which is very bad in this context. Search this group for
    montygram and read some of my posts. If you need any help, just let me
    know. There are all kinds of potential problems, such as having low
    stomach acid. This can happen on a diet high in whole grains and
    legumes, for example. Then, the common form of calcium and magnesium
    in supplements (carbonate, oxide) will not be absorbed, and in fact
    will make your problem worse.

  5. Nutritional supplements are an unquestionably useful way to get necessary
    nutrients while minimizing calories during a weight loss program when you
    are cutting back on the amount of food you eat. However, the many "fat
    burning" supplements on the market cannot be expected to produce significant
    weight loss results.

    When cutting back on food intakes during a diet, you must address the
    problem of hunger. Fiber supplements are certainly a zero calorie method of
    providing satiety when you have a sharply restricted diet. Fiber also lowers
    the glycemic index of a carbohydrate laden meal, which keeps insulin levels
    lower, which helps keep serum glucose from being converted to body fat.

    Soluble fiber provides another benefit (besides colon health) when consumed
    concommitantly with a meal that contains saturated animal fats: it can
    reduce serum cholesterol levels.

    For most purposes, you generally need more fiber than what can be obtained
    from pricey Metamucil pills.You can greatly improve the cost effectiveness
    of your fiber intake by dumping those Metamucil pills. Consider buying large
    quantity purchases of *bulk* Metamucil (psyllium seed husks) instead, taking
    advantage of its lower price and long shelf life. To cut your costs further,
    you can also purchase whole psyllium seeds at the larger health/whole food
    markets.Grind the seeds in a cheap electric coffee bean grinder and then
    store them in a tightly capped glass jar in the fridge. Sprinkle the
    grindings onto just about anything you eat or drink.

    But if you arere considering whole psyllium seeds, then you'd be better off
    with whole flax seeds instead, as they are not only cheaper, but provide
    both soluble and insoluble fibers, lignans, plus essential omega-3 ALA fat.

    If you are concerned as to whether or not your supplements are doing you any
    good, at least follow the general guidelines for taking them so that you can
    get the maximum possible benefit from them.
    http://www.healthspan.co.uk/articles/article.aspx?Id=128&ct=true

    Many combinations of foods/beverages and supplements can interfere with each
    other. So unless you're careful about the timing of your supplements
    intakes, then you could be wasting your time and money with them. Numerous
    examples:
    http://zymatik.byethost22.com/Nutrition/DailyDiet&Supplementation.txt

    The supermarket varieties of supplements generally are cheaply formulated
    when it comes to minerals. Except for perhaps the exception of selenium,
    only those minerals that are chelated with amino acids will provide
    appreciable intestinal absorption. Those premium quality supplements are
    generally available only at at web stores and health food stores.

    Any amounts of vitamin E in the form of dL-alpha tocopherol (beware of the
    letter 'L' that appears after the letter 'd'😉 will do you little good.
    Actually the only E that is likely to be effective is a mixture of several
    tocopherols (none of which are L-type) plus tocotrienols, and the only way
    you can get that is via a separate supplement; sometimes described as 'E
    complex'. If you are currently depending on your daily multi-vit-min pill
    for your E... sorry about the bad news.

    You certainly do not need the excipient ingredients that are included with
    some supplements, especially those that are formulated into cheaply made
    supplement tablets. Some of these ingredients: magnesium stearate, stearic
    acid, ascorbyl palmitate, and polyethylene glycol. If you are taking
    nutrients for your health, then it is counterproductive to be swallowing
    unwanted junk with them. The more pills you take, the more excipient
    ingredients you are ingesting. Keeping that in mind, the powdered and liquid
    supplements tend to contain the least amounts of excipient ingredients.

    Seattle Sutton meals-- don't know anything about them, but if they are
    heavily processed, then beware of them. Compare them with my processed food
    warnings at
    http://zymatik.byethost22.com/Nutrition/ProcessedFoods&Beverages.txt

    Suggestions:
    1) Dump the Super Vanadyl Fuel.
    2) You can cheaply replace both the Atkins Essential Oils and the Metamucil
    pills with whole flax seeds that you should grind yourself. If you need more
    fiber without calories, then take Metamucil bulk (not pills) psylium husks
    for your INsoluble fiber needs, plus guar gum powder for a low cost source
    of soluble fiber.
    3) Enzyme supplements are marketed primarily for elderly people with
    digestive difficulties.You don't need those if you are generally healthy and
    get adequate amounts of some raw foods in your diet.

  6. On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:49:15 GMT, Knack wrote in
    <news:[email hidden]> on
    sci.med.nutrition :

    Quoted message said:

    Soluble fiber provides another benefit (besides colon health) when consumed
    concommitantly with a meal that contains saturated animal fats: it can
    reduce serum cholesterol levels.

    Hey, that's my oats+wholemilk breakfast! 🙂

    --
    Enrico C

    * cut the ending "cut-togli.invalid" string when replying by email *

  7. Wow! A lot of good information here. I really do appreciate it.

    At this time I think I am eating the healthiest I ever have. The food
    service I use (www.seattlesutton.com) provides me with fresh food that
    I pick up 2X a week. It seems to have a good variety of food that
    incorporates poultry, fish, seeds, nuts, whole grains, plenty of
    vegetables and other good stuff and they claim it covers all your
    nutritional needs. It is only 2000 calories a day however, low for me
    (6'1" 240lbs) so I do need to supplement (and get down to around
    200lbs). Based on this and the fact that I am not treating any
    ailments, I think I just going to stick with the multivitamin for now,
    maybe add some flax seed.

    Thanks again!

  8. One last tip. You mentioned that you are considering the use of probiotics.
    Don't buy pills or powders. You only need about 6 ounces (180 ml) of NONFAT
    cultured dairy food per day in your diet in order to provide not only all of
    your probiotic needs, but also almost all of your daily calcium requirement
    too.

    One good choice is NONFAT organic unsweetened UNFLAVORED plain organic
    yogurt; the best of which have up to 6 different species of probiotic
    bacteria in them.

    Another good choice is to obtain kefir starter (from a web store); some of
    which have up to 10 probiotic bacteria + yeasts. Culture your own kefir
    using NONFAT organic milk. Very easy to do! Once you get it going, leave one
    cup of old batch to inoculate fresh milk for the next batch. Thus you can
    from 1 packet of dried kefir starter mixture yoou continue propagating about
    5 additional batches of 0.5 gallons (1.9 liter) each before you need to
    start all over from scratch with a fresh starter mixture packet. Quite
    inexpensive, and extremely high quality probiotic food.

    You can alternate breakfasts between yogurt and kefir, thereby getting the
    greatest variety of probiotic intake.

    For breakfast, blend your ground flax seeds into your yogurt/kefir. If you
    followed my earlier instructions and chose a nonfat dairy product, then the
    result of this mixture will have a synergystic effect that actually produces
    a remarkable new food that I call a "budwig" (named after Dr. Johanna
    Budwig): conjugated lipoproteins, some of which stabilize the reactive
    alpha-linolenic acid (omega-3 fat) of the flax seeds.

    Notice that earlier I specified unflavored for your yogurt. That is because
    the fruit flavors that are otherwise included are pasteurized, which
    destroys the antioxidant flavonoids in the fruits. Also the flavored yogurts
    contain either sugars (harms health124 different ways) or artificial
    sweeteners (all are bad, even Splenda). So at all times you keep in your
    fridge a capped container of berries that you have already sweetened with
    stevia extract. The berries are thawed from your bag of frozen berries. The
    frozen berries are convenient and cost only a fraction of the cost of fresh
    berries.

    Cultured dairy + ground flax seeds + stevia sweetened berries. This is a
    hearty and good tasting breakfast that doesn't cost much. And you get the
    satisfaction of eating a unique whole food meal of the highest quality that
    you cannot simply buy already prepared in a store or a restaurant.

  9. While I agree with your recommendation to use cultured foods, why would
    you repeatedly recommend non-fat foods in light of the recent news of
    HUGE studies that show low fat diets did not produce previously
    believed health benefits?

    (I'm sure you assumed someone would ask this question.)

    Max.

  10. My suggestion assumed that the yogurt/kefir would be made from cow milk.

    The recent US$415 million NIH study regarding total fat intake doesn't
    affect my suggestion because that study was of an antiquated design that
    didn't take into account the various types of dietary fats. According to
    *part* of a revised American definition of organic ranching, dairy cows that
    produce milk that is designated as organic must be entirely grass fed. This
    results in whole milk of significantly greater fraction of beneficial
    conjugated linoleic acid (CLA), but about 63% of the total fat will still be
    saturated animal fats. And its otherwise harmless cholesterol will still
    become oxidized during homogenization-pasteurization. Hundreds of studies
    have already linked the consumption of saturated animal fats and oxidized
    cholesterol to cardiovascular disease.Those findings are not new, and they
    are commonly known and scientificly accepted.

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