Do I need an aerobar?

Bob Newman said:

I am considering purchasing an aerobar but I don't know if it would help

me.

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Here's my deal. I'm a 55 year old road rider who rides once or twice a

week

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usually about 30 miles at about 15 MPH sometimes slower depending on the group I am with. I would
like to build up to ride with a group that does about 50 miles @ about 18 MPH. I don't have time
to get in too much more riding to train etc. The issue of training aside, would the bars help my
endurance and/or speed?

Absolutely not!

If you're riding in a group, you definitely should NOT use aero bars. The lack of quick access to
the brakes, and the reduced ability to maneuver quickly when using aero bars, make them dangerous in
group situations. That's why they're banned in racing (except for time trials).

Since you say you only have 2-4 hours a week for cycling, why not just enjoy yourself instead of
setting aggressive goals. There's a big difference between riding 30 miles at 15 mph and riding 50
miles at 18 mph. The way to get there is by riding more miles, not by making equipment changes.

Art Harris

Bob Newman said:

I am considering purchasing an aerobar but I don't know if it would help
me. Here's my deal. I'm a 55 year old road rider who rides once or twice a week usually about 30
miles at about 15 MPH sometimes slower depending on the group I am with. I would like to build
up to ride with a group that does about 50 miles @ about 18 MPH. I don't have time to get in
too much more riding to train etc. The issue of training aside, would the bars help my
endurance and/or speed?

Thanks... Bob

Equipment alone won't let you get faster. (Well, some. Wheels make a differnce, but not to the
extent you want.) Aero bars in a group are dangerous; no one will let you ride with them if you
insist on using them.

2-4 hours/week isn't much time, but there is no reason why you couldn't work up to a higher level.

I'd do some research on training, maybe find a group that has some serious semi-pro athletes who are
willing to work with you, give you advice. A group with older riders would be good. Basically,
depending on your fitness level, 30 miles @ 15 mph could be quality or junk - improving your level
or not. Look up aerobic/anaerobic training, etc. At your age, you may want to consider a stress test
or VO max test to determine where you can go. (I'm not being condescening, I'm of an age where
stress tests are important...)

If you're affluent, you may want to consult a trainer. If you're really affluent, I can put you in
touch with a really good (and really expensive) personal trainer.

Best of luck, and remember to enjoy the experience. The process of getting faster is a heck of lot
more fun than being faster.

-Dondo

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Absolutely not!

If you're riding in a group, you definitely should NOT use aero bars. The lack of quick access to
the brakes, and the reduced ability to maneuver quickly when using aero bars, make them dangerous
in group situations. That's why they're banned in racing (except for time trials).

Since you say you only have 2-4 hours a week for cycling, why not just

enjoy

Quoted message said:

yourself instead of setting aggressive goals. There's a big difference between riding 30 miles at
15 mph and riding 50 miles at 18 mph. The way

to

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get there is by riding more miles, not by making equipment changes.

Art Harris

Indeed..in a large group drafting is already a huge helper. Aero bars would have less benefit there
than riding solo. And in a pack they can be unwieldy.

Cheers,

Scott..

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maybe find a group that has some serious semi-pro athletes

What is a semi-pro athlete? Especially what is a semi-pro cyclist?

JT

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John Forrest Tomlinson said:

What is a semi-pro athlete? Especially what is a semi-pro cyclist?

Anyone who is good enough to enter a cash race, place and win money, but not enough to gain major
sponsors and ride professionally.

Like one of the guys I ride with (or try to, anyway) - he places consistently in the top 5 in local
and regional events, but his take home may be a few hundred a month. Certainly not enough to live
on, or even to pay his expenses, but enough to earn my respect.

-Dondo

Harris said:

The way to get there is by riding more miles, not by making equipment changes.

Art Harris

The way to get there when you don't have time is to endure great pain and suffer. It's not fun. An
hour of interval training 2x/wk will get you physically able to go 18 mph. You'll also have to
become skilled in good riding technique and paceline riding.

I think I paraphrase Buddah, 'life is suffering'.

Bob Newman said:

I am considering purchasing an aerobar but I don't know if it would help me. Here's my deal. I'm a
55 year old road rider who rides once or twice a week usually about 30 miles at about 15 MPH
sometimes slower depending on the group I am with. I would like to build up to ride with a group
that does about 50 miles @ about 18 MPH. I don't have time to get in too much more riding to train
etc. The issue of training aside, would the bars help my endurance and/or speed?

Probably not.

I have an aerobar. I bought it to combat headwinds. For that it works fairly well. I usually
can get an extra gear or two in a stiff headwind.

I don't get as much chance to use it as I would like because it's too hard to control the
bike with one. Therefore, I won't use it in traffic. I would not use it in a group ride.

Choose a bar carefully. Most don't tend to be very comfortable. The ideal handlebar height
for using an aerobar tends to be higher than the ideal height for any other position. If you
look at pictures of the riders setting speed or endurance records who use aerobars, you'll
see they usually set them quite high.

An aerobar will help your speed on short sprints. It will help you with headwinds. In a few
other situations it will do some good. For what you want, you will probably be disappointed.

You would do well to find more time to put in on the bike and leave the gizmos alone.

Good Luck.

Peter

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Captain Dondo said:

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

"Captain Dondo" wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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maybe find a group that has some serious semi-pro athletes

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What is a semi-pro athlete? Especially what is a semi-pro cyclist?

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Anyone who is good enough to enter a cash race, place and win money, but not enough to gain major
sponsors and ride professionally.

We've got cat 2 and 3 riders where I live who routinely win money and now you're saying they can be
called "semi-pros"??? There are even local cat 4s who win money around here (NY City area). They're
"semi-pros" too? I won money yesterday in a masters race, guess I'm "semi-pro" too. Gee if I wasn't
married I guess I could use it to pick up women. "Yeah, I'm a semi-pro bike racer."

This semi-pro concept would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

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Thanks for your help guys. It looks like I can save a few bucks.

Bob

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Quoted message said:

Bob Newman said:

I am considering purchasing an aerobar but I don't know if it would help

me.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Here's my deal. I'm a 55 year old road rider who rides once or twice a

week

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

usually about 30 miles at about 15 MPH sometimes slower depending on the group I am with. I would
like to build up to ride with a group that does about 50 miles @ about 18 MPH. I don't have time
to get in too much more riding to train etc. The issue of training aside, would the bars help my
endurance and/or speed?

Probably not.

I have an aerobar. I bought it to combat headwinds. For that it works fairly well. I usually can
get an extra gear or two in a stiff headwind.

I don't get as much chance to use it as I would like because it's too hard to control the bike
with one. Therefore, I won't use it in traffic. I would not use it in a group ride.

Choose a bar carefully. Most don't tend to be very comfortable. The ideal handlebar height for
using an aerobar tends to be higher than the ideal height for any other position. If you look at
pictures of the riders setting speed or endurance records who use aerobars, you'll see they
usually set them quite high.

An aerobar will help your speed on short sprints. It will help you with headwinds. In a few other
situations it will do some good. For what you want, you will probably be disappointed.

You would do well to find more time to put in on the bike and leave the gizmos alone.

Good Luck.

Peter

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Captain Dondo said:

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Captain Dondo said:

maybe find a group that has some serious semi-pro athletes

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What is a semi-pro athlete? Especially what is a semi-pro cyclist?

Quoted message said:

Anyone who is good enough to enter a cash race, place and win money, but not enough to gain major
sponsors and ride professionally.

We've got cat 2 and 3 riders where I live (NY City area) who routinely win money and now you're
saying they can be called "semi-pros"??? Even local cat 4s win money. I guess they're
"semi-pro" too.

I won money yesterday in a masters race, guess I'm "semi-pro" too. I wonder if I can use the
"semi-pro" line to pick-up women or get 10% off at the bike shop? This term would be funny if it
wasn't so pathetic.

JT

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Paul Kopit said:

The way to get there when you don't have time is to endure great pain and suffer. It's not fun. An
hour of interval training 2x/wk will get you physically able to go 18 mph. You'll also have to
become skilled in good riding technique and paceline riding.

I really don't think interval training is a good idea for someone who only has a couple of hours a
week to ride. You really should have a solid mileage base and a good level of fitness before
starting interval training. Just jumping on a bike and pushing yourself to the limit is probably
risky from a health standpoint as well as being painful.

Art Harris

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

This semi-pro concept would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

It's only a term I use. What do you call them / yourself? I don't see why it's funny - or pathetic.
You're not an amateur, since you're getting paid for your performance. (See AAU regs.) You're not
pro, since you can't make enough to live on and don't ride full time (I assume). As for picking up
women, frankly, I can't see how your pro/amateur status would matter - unless you've racked some
other "professional" credits....

Do you find the word "orange" funny? Confused....

-Dondo

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I am considering purchasing an aerobar but I don't know if it would help me. Here's my deal. I'm a
55 year old road rider who rides once or twice a week usually about 30 miles at about 15 MPH
sometimes slower depending on the group I am with. I would like to build up to ride with a group
that does about 50 miles @ about 18 MPH. I don't have time to get in too much more riding to train
etc. The issue of training aside, would the bars help my endurance and/or speed?

Aerobars won't make you stronger, and you can't use them in groups (except perhaps at the front). At
the speeds you're talking about, aerodynamic issues aren't nearly as dominant as they are a few mph
faster anyway (aero drag power goes up as cube of speed).

I have used aerobars in one specific way on fast group rides: to catch up on the flats after being
dropped on some climbs. This strategy sometimes works for me since my large size makes me
proportionally faster on the flats (or slower on climbs). To make this work, I'm going at mid 20's
or so on the flats, and riding with a group that likes to sprint the hills and then back off a bit
after. I don't think it would necessarily work for most people in most situations, and not at the
speeds you're interested in.

I decided to leave the aerobars on my main bike because I found I enjoyed riding "time trial" style
more than "road race" style. I enjoy riding 30-40 mile loops against the clock. I frequently ride
alone on "group" rides (oxymoron?), off the front, or off the back, doesn't really matter to me (OK,
maybe it matters a little).

bob-<< I am considering purchasing an aerobar but I don't know if it would help
me.Here's my deal. << I would like to build up to ride with a group that does about 50 miles @ about
18 MPH. << The issue of training aside, would the bars help my endurance and/or speed?

No- Couple of problems. -fit on aerobars is vastly different than road bike fit. If you can easily
reach aerobars, then the bike may not fit you -aerobars are not an automatic speed increase, altho
more 'aero' may be slower as you may be uncomfotable or less powerful. -riding on aerobars w/i a
pack of riders is dangerous. Your control of the bike is a sliver of what it is on normal
handlebars.

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Are you flexable? Problem with aero anything is you are trying to flatten all angles-including all
those stiff muscles that dont want to flatten.

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Quoted message said:

I am considering purchasing an aerobar but I don't know if it would help

me.

Quoted message said:

Here's my deal. I'm a 55 year old road rider who rides once or twice a

week

Quoted message said:

usually about 30 miles at about 15 MPH sometimes slower depending on the group I am with. I would
like to build up to ride with a group that does about 50 miles @ about 18 MPH. I don't have time
to get in too much more riding to train etc. The issue of training aside, would the bars help my
endurance and/or speed?

Thanks... Bob

Semi pro is someone who earns money from their respective sport, but does not earn a living.

i.e. it is their secondary not primary job/income.

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Some funny stuff from rec.bicycles.tech:

Captain Dondo said:

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

"Captain Dondo" wrote:
> maybe find a group that has some serious semi-pro athletes

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What is a semi-pro athlete? Especially what is a semi-pro cyclist?

Quoted message said:

Anyone who is good enough to enter a cash race, place and win money, but not enough to gain
major sponsors and ride professionally.

We've got cat 2 and 3 riders where I live (NY City area) who routinely win money and now you're
saying they can be called "semi-pros"??? Even local cat 4s win money. I guess they're
"semi-pro" too.

I won money yesterday in a masters race, guess I'm "semi-pro" too. I wonder if I can use the
"semi-pro" line to pick-up women or get 10% off at the bike shop? This term would be funny if it
wasn't so pathetic.

JT

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Semi pro is someone who earns money from their respective sport, but does not earn a living.

i.e. it is their secondary not primary job/income.

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Some funny stuff from rec.bicycles.tech:

Captain Dondo said:

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> "Captain Dondo" wrote:
> > maybe find a group that has some serious semi-pro athletes

Quoted message said:

> What is a semi-pro athlete? Especially what is a semi-pro cyclist?

Quoted message said:

Anyone who is good enough to enter a cash race, place and win money, but not enough to gain
major sponsors and ride professionally.

We've got cat 2 and 3 riders where I live (NY City area) who routinely win money and now you're
saying they can be called "semi-pros"??? Even local cat 4s win money. I guess they're
"semi-pro" too.

I won money yesterday in a masters race, guess I'm "semi-pro" too. I wonder if I can use the
"semi-pro" line to pick-up women or get 10% off at the bike shop? This term would be funny if it
wasn't so pathetic.

JT

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John Forrest Tomlinson said:

We've got cat 2 and 3 riders where I live (NY City area) who routinely win money and now you're
saying they can be called "semi-pros"??? Even local cat 4s win money. I guess they're
"semi-pro" too.

I won money yesterday in a masters race, guess I'm "semi-pro" too. I wonder if I can use the
"semi-pro" line to pick-up women or get 10% off at the bike shop? This term would be funny if it
wasn't so pathetic.

I recall an old racer I met years ago, who had won a local race in the '60s, and been given a
small amount of prize money. The USOC found out and would not let him even enter the trials. He
was declared a professional racer, and could not race any sanctioned amateur event. At the time
there were no professional events in the US at all, so he was effectively barred from racing in
this country.

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David L. Johnson

__o | A mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems. _`\(,_ | -- Paul Erdos
(_)/ (_) |

Bob Newman said:

I am considering purchasing an aerobar but I don't know if it would help me. Here's my deal. I'm a
55 year old road rider who rides once or twice a week usually about 30 miles at about 15 MPH
sometimes slower depending on the group I am with. I would like to build up to ride with a group
that does about 50 miles @ about 18 MPH. I don't have time to get in too much more riding to train
etc. The issue of training aside, would the bars help my endurance and/or speed?

Thanks... Bob

I am a 55 year old who does 100-150 miles a week, with an occasional
200. I am usually riding flat terrain and solo and find the aero bars invaluable. It seems I am
always riding into the wnd and the bars help. In addition, I find them more comfortable than
riding the drops or levers. My weight gets spread between my arms, hand and butt.

I average around 20-21 in no wind conditions with the bars.

Aeros are absolutely verboten in a pace line! I never use the bars if I am behind anyone nor in
traffic where I may need to use my brakes.

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