DLing

John said:

Is there any advantage to lowering the weights rather than dropping them?

(here come the watch your toes, etc... comments)

If you drop them in competition, you'll get red-lighted, so if you
plan to compete, you should practice maintaining control of them all
the way to the ground.

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John said:

Is there any advantage to lowering the weights rather than dropping them?

(here come the watch your toes, etc... comments)

If you drop them in competition, you'll get red-lighted, so if you
plan to compete, you should practice maintaining control of them all
the way to the ground.

Great, thanks. There's two 24hr's by me. One of them has an Olympic "stage"
and rubber weights, and the other doesn't. I can drop the weights on the
stage, but they get [censored] if I drop them at the other one. Something about
chipping the floor, or damaging the weights, or something stupid like that.
So if I want to lift heavy, I'll go to the other one and drop them, but in
my regular workouts, I'll maintain control.

There's also something very cool about heavy weights hitting the floor. Just
the *thud* I suppose.

John said:

There's also something very cool about heavy weights hitting the floor. Just
the *thud* I suppose.

No, it's not. You probably think grunting, yelling, spandex, and any
other manner of drawing attention to yourself is cool too. Let the
weights speak for themselves.

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John said:

Is there any advantage to lowering the weights rather than dropping
them?

(here come the watch your toes, etc... comments)

If you drop them in competition, you'll get red-lighted, so if you
plan to compete, you should practice maintaining control of them all
the way to the ground.

Great, thanks. There's two 24hr's by me. One of them has an Olympic
"stage" and rubber weights, and the other doesn't. I can drop the
weights on the stage, but they get [censored] if I drop them at the other
one. Something about chipping the floor, or damaging the weights, or
something stupid like that. So if I want to lift heavy, I'll go to
the other one and drop them, but in my regular workouts, I'll
maintain control.

Except that (assuming you aren't using only bumper plates) it does damage
weights and bars to drop them. Won't make much difference to you as long as
you're just DLing, but spare a thought for the person who tries to do cleans
with the bar you've wrecked and has it lock up on them and dump the weight
down their chest.

Peter

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John said:

There's also something very cool about heavy weights hitting the floor.

Just

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the *thud* I suppose.

No, it's not. You probably think grunting, yelling, spandex, and any
other manner of drawing attention to yourself is cool too. Let the
weights speak for themselves.

Actually, I don't think making noise is cool. I hate when people can't
control their weights when doing fly's and other exercises, and 'clank' the
DB's together. The only time I make noise is on the locking out the last rep
of heavy DL's, and it's the same noise I make when I kiai. I would
assimilate that same *thud* to a scaled down cannon. .50 or .55 cal.

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John said:

Is there any advantage to lowering the weights rather than dropping
them?

(here come the watch your toes, etc... comments)

If you drop them in competition, you'll get red-lighted, so if you
plan to compete, you should practice maintaining control of them all
the way to the ground.

This gets debated here from time to time. I "fall with the weight",
which means I keep my hands on it until it's on the ground but otherwise
make no effort to slow its descent. I've gotten complaints from judges,
who tell me they'd "like" me to lower it slower, but when I ask if I
have to, they say no, that the way I do it is legal, which it is. I
make a point of pausing for a second or so with my hands on the bar when
it's on the ground, just so that there's no doubt I never let it go.
The rules, at least in the AAU, are that you have to be in control of
the weight.

From http://www.aausports.org/handbooks/powerlifting/05_Part_I.pdf, the
section that discusses reasons a deadlift might be red-lighted:

"Allowing the bar to return to the platform without maintaining control
with both hands. Some noise and impact is expected and is not cause for
failure of the lift, but dropping the bar or obvious lack of control is
not allowed. The bar must be controlled to prevent free fall."

To the OP, there is a place for a controlled descent in the DL in
training - better for hypertrophy, certainly, but riskier to the lower
back since the tendency is to be pulled forward. Lots of very strong
people got that way by doing touch and go deadlifts, but particularly
for someone like me with a bad back history, they aren't recommended.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:00:55 -0400, "Steve Freides"
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John said:

Is there any advantage to lowering the weights rather than dropping
them?

(here come the watch your toes, etc... comments)

If you drop them in competition, you'll get red-lighted, so if you
plan to compete, you should practice maintaining control of them all
the way to the ground.

This gets debated here from time to time. I "fall with the weight",
which means I keep my hands on it until it's on the ground but otherwise
make no effort to slow its descent. I've gotten complaints from judges,
who tell me they'd "like" me to lower it slower, but when I ask if I
have to, they say no, that the way I do it is legal, which it is. I
make a point of pausing for a second or so with my hands on the bar when
it's on the ground, just so that there's no doubt I never let it go.
The rules, at least in the AAU, are that you have to be in control of
the weight.

You are correct but haven't you only done one meet?

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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:00:55 -0400, "Steve Freides"
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"John" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Is there any advantage to lowering the weights rather than dropping
>them?
>
>(here come the watch your toes, etc... comments)

If you drop them in competition, you'll get red-lighted, so if you
plan to compete, you should practice maintaining control of them all
the way to the ground.

This gets debated here from time to time. I "fall with the weight",
which means I keep my hands on it until it's on the ground but
otherwise
make no effort to slow its descent. I've gotten complaints from
judges,
who tell me they'd "like" me to lower it slower, but when I ask if I
have to, they say no, that the way I do it is legal, which it is. I
make a point of pausing for a second or so with my hands on the bar
when
it's on the ground, just so that there's no doubt I never let it go.
The rules, at least in the AAU, are that you have to be in control of
the weight.

You are correct but haven't you only done one meet?

Two, a qualifier and then the AAU Worlds last year. I'll be in Laughlin
this year Dec. 2 or so for the push/pull meet, where I will only
deadlift, and I may do the January AAU meet, which is 3-lift, depending
on some schedule issues here. I didn't get my third pull off the ground
in either, so I've had exactly 4 pulls judged and got white lights from
every judge on them each of them. (I guess technically I got
red-lighted when the bar never left the ground.)

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

Steve Freides said:

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John said:

Is there any advantage to lowering the weights rather than dropping
them?

(here come the watch your toes, etc... comments)

If you drop them in competition, you'll get red-lighted, so if you
plan to compete, you should practice maintaining control of them all
the way to the ground.

This gets debated here from time to time.

I don't recall this being debated by anyone who competes.

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I "fall with the weight",
which means I keep my hands on it until it's on the ground but otherwise
make no effort to slow its descent. I've gotten complaints from judges,
who tell me they'd "like" me to lower it slower, but when I ask if I
have to, they say no, that the way I do it is legal, which it is. I
make a point of pausing for a second or so with my hands on the bar when
it's on the ground, just so that there's no doubt I never let it go.
The rules, at least in the AAU, are that you have to be in control of
the weight.

From http://www.aausports.org/handbooks/powerlifting/05_Part_I.pdf, the
section that discusses reasons a deadlift might be red-lighted:

"Allowing the bar to return to the platform without maintaining control
with both hands. Some noise and impact is expected and is not cause for
failure of the lift, but dropping the bar or obvious lack of control is
not allowed. The bar must be controlled to prevent free fall."

More appropriately, due to its wider scope, is the USAPL/IPF rule:

"Causes for Disqualification of a Dead Lift.
* * *
"7. Allowing the bar to return to the platform without maintaining
control with both hands, i.e. : releasing the bar from the palms of
the hand."

Which was what I said. What's the controversy, Steve?

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"John" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Is there any advantage to lowering the weights rather than dropping
>them?
>
>(here come the watch your toes, etc... comments)

If you drop them in competition, you'll get red-lighted, so if you
plan to compete, you should practice maintaining control of them all
the way to the ground.

This gets debated here from time to time.

I don't recall this being debated by anyone who competes.

Quoted message said:

I "fall with the weight",
which means I keep my hands on it until it's on the ground but
otherwise
make no effort to slow its descent. I've gotten complaints from
judges,
who tell me they'd "like" me to lower it slower, but when I ask if I
have to, they say no, that the way I do it is legal, which it is. I
make a point of pausing for a second or so with my hands on the bar
when
it's on the ground, just so that there's no doubt I never let it go.
The rules, at least in the AAU, are that you have to be in control of
the weight.

From http://www.aausports.org/handbooks/powerlifting/05_Part_I.pdf,
the
section that discusses reasons a deadlift might be red-lighted:

"Allowing the bar to return to the platform without maintaining
control
with both hands. Some noise and impact is expected and is not cause
for
failure of the lift, but dropping the bar or obvious lack of control
is
not allowed. The bar must be controlled to prevent free fall."

More appropriately, due to its wider scope, is the USAPL/IPF rule:

"Causes for Disqualification of a Dead Lift.
* * *
"7. Allowing the bar to return to the platform without maintaining
control with both hands, i.e. : releasing the bar from the palms of
the hand."

Which was what I said. What's the controversy, Steve?

Forgive me for not saying it better. I consider what I do dropping the
weight, which is what you said would get one red-lighted. No matter,
semantics and nothing more, but I didn't want anyone to have the
impression that a lift in a meet had to be lowered slowly to be legal.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

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"John" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Is there any advantage to lowering the weights rather than dropping
>them?
>
>(here come the watch your toes, etc... comments)

If you drop them in competition, you'll get red-lighted, so if you
plan to compete, you should practice maintaining control of them all
the way to the ground.

This gets debated here from time to time.

I don't recall this being debated by anyone who competes.

Quoted message said:

I "fall with the weight",
which means I keep my hands on it until it's on the ground but otherwise
make no effort to slow its descent. I've gotten complaints from judges,
who tell me they'd "like" me to lower it slower, but when I ask if I
have to, they say no, that the way I do it is legal, which it is. I
make a point of pausing for a second or so with my hands on the bar when
it's on the ground, just so that there's no doubt I never let it go.
The rules, at least in the AAU, are that you have to be in control of
the weight.

From http://www.aausports.org/handbooks/powerlifting/05_Part_I.pdf, the
section that discusses reasons a deadlift might be red-lighted:

"Allowing the bar to return to the platform without maintaining control
with both hands. Some noise and impact is expected and is not cause for
failure of the lift, but dropping the bar or obvious lack of control is
not allowed. The bar must be controlled to prevent free fall."

More appropriately, due to its wider scope, is the USAPL/IPF rule:

"Causes for Disqualification of a Dead Lift.
* * *
"7. Allowing the bar to return to the platform without maintaining
control with both hands, i.e. : releasing the bar from the palms of
the hand."

Which was what I said. What's the controversy, Steve?

Ahhhh. Let me clarify my original post (I should've stated this before I got
flamed). I see it the way Steve does. I have my hands on the bar the entire
time. It hits the deck with a *thud* and doesn't bounce. I have control of
the bar, just not near the amount of tension as if I were to lower it
slowly.