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  1. hi all.

    This is to be my first wheel build so bear with me. Already read sheldons
    and some other such instructions but i'm still left a little confused. How
    do you dish a real wheel?? My understanding of dishing was that each side
    had to match according to the dish stick? How can this be so with both an
    offset spoke arrangement and the hub body in the way. Similarly, if
    redishing a threaded freewheel hub to centre how can i dish with the threads
    in the way?? Have i missed the point? Please explain.

    thanks

  2. Cyclopath! - Keiron said:


    This is to be my first wheel build so bear with me. Already read sheldons
    and some other such instructions but i'm still left a little confused. How
    do you dish a real wheel?? My understanding of dishing was that each side
    had to match according to the dish stick? How can this be so with both an
    offset spoke arrangement and the hub body in the way. Similarly, if
    redishing a threaded freewheel hub to centre how can i dish with the threads
    in the way?? Have i missed the point? Please explain.

    The rim needs to be centered between the hub locknuts. That will center
    the rim in the frame. The rear rim is NOT centered between the hub
    flanges.

    The center of the dishing tool rests alternatively on the left and
    right hub locknut (with the hub's quick release removed of course). The
    outer ends of the dishing tool contacts the rim. You want to adjust the
    center of the dishing tool such that when one end of the tool is held
    against the rim, the other end is about 1 mm from the rim (so that you
    can just barely "see-saw" the ends of the tool). Then when you put the
    dishing tool on the other side of the wheel, there should be the same 1
    mm gap. If the gap is greater on one side, then the spokes on that side
    have to be tightened.

    http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=82

    Art Harris

  3. Thanks Art, That makes infinite more sense than what i was attempting but
    can you explain further what it is i'm supposed to do in the following
    situation:

    I need to centre this screw-on freewheel hub in order to use a singlespeed
    bmx freewheel with it. i assumed that the rim would have to centred between
    the flanges on this occassion (as effectively is a front wheel) thus pushing
    the freewheel out towards the frame so that it would lie where the 5
    sprocket usually does. is this correct? If so it would seem to preclude
    usage of this dishing tool? Or have i missed something yet again?

    Thanks

    Art Harris <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Cyclopath! - Keiron said:


    This is to be my first wheel build so bear with me. Already read


    sheldons

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and some other such instructions but i'm still left a little confused.


    How

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    do you dish a real wheel?? My understanding of dishing was that each


    side

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    had to match according to the dish stick? How can this be so with both


    an

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    offset spoke arrangement and the hub body in the way. Similarly, if
    redishing a threaded freewheel hub to centre how can i dish with the


    threads

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in the way?? Have i missed the point? Please explain.

    The rim needs to be centered between the hub locknuts. That will center
    the rim in the frame. The rear rim is NOT centered between the hub
    flanges.

    The center of the dishing tool rests alternatively on the left and
    right hub locknut (with the hub's quick release removed of course). The
    outer ends of the dishing tool contacts the rim. You want to adjust the
    center of the dishing tool such that when one end of the tool is held
    against the rim, the other end is about 1 mm from the rim (so that you
    can just barely "see-saw" the ends of the tool). Then when you put the
    dishing tool on the other side of the wheel, there should be the same 1
    mm gap. If the gap is greater on one side, then the spokes on that side
    have to be tightened.

    http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=82

    Art Harris

  4. Cyclopath! - Keiron said:

    hi all.

    This is to be my first wheel build so bear with me. Already read sheldons
    and some other such instructions but i'm still left a little confused. How
    do you dish a real wheel?? My understanding of dishing was that each side
    had to match according to the dish stick? How can this be so with both an
    offset spoke arrangement and the hub body in the way. Similarly, if
    redishing a threaded freewheel hub to centre how can i dish with the threads
    in the way?? Have i missed the point? Please explain.

    thanks

    'Dishing' is ensuring the rim is centered between the axle ends..and
    hence in the frame. Having a place for the cogset or freewheel doesn't
    make any difference. The only thing you are centering is the rim and
    the only reference is the axle ends, where they meet the frame.

  5. Cyclopath! - Keiron said:

    Thanks Art, That makes infinite more sense than what i was attempting but
    can you explain further what it is i'm supposed to do in the following
    situation:

    I need to centre this screw-on freewheel hub in order to use a singlespeed
    bmx freewheel with it. i assumed that the rim would have to centred between
    the flanges on this occassion (as effectively is a front wheel) thus pushing
    the freewheel out towards the frame so that it would lie where the 5
    sprocket usually does. is this correct? If so it would seem to preclude
    usage of this dishing tool? Or have i missed something yet again?

    Art gave an excellent description of how to use a dishing tool.

    Since you're moving ("redishing"😉 the hub to change from multiple
    freewheel to single freewheel, it may be you're missing this step:

    1. Change your hub's axle spacing (usually by adding and removing
    spacers) so that (a) the freewheel threads are positioned where you
    want (for your single speed freewheel) and (b) the over lock nut
    dimension fits your frame.

    Then follow Art's instructions to use the dishing tool.

  6. Cyclopath! - Keiron said:

    hi all.

    This is to be my first wheel build so bear with me. Already read sheldons
    and some other such instructions but i'm still left a little confused. How
    do you dish a real wheel?? My understanding of dishing was that each side
    had to match according to the dish stick? How can this be so with both an
    offset spoke arrangement and the hub body in the way. Similarly, if
    redishing a threaded freewheel hub to centre how can i dish with the threads
    in the way?? Have i missed the point? Please explain.

    thanks

    For me, it's easier to finish the dishing by putting the wheel on the
    bike. You'll be able to see how far the wheel is off-center as it spins
    between the chain-stays.


  7. Quoted message said:

    Art gave an excellent description of how to use a dishing tool.

    Since you're moving ("redishing"😉 the hub to change from multiple
    freewheel to single freewheel, it may be you're missing this step:

    1. Change your hub's axle spacing (usually by adding and removing
    spacers) so that (a) the freewheel threads are positioned where you
    want (for your single speed freewheel) and (b) the over lock nut
    dimension fits your frame.

    Then follow Art's instructions to use the dishing tool.

    Hi Dianne, Thanks. I should have been more comprehensive initially. I had
    had read about this step but was further advised that spacing was less of an
    issue if the hub was instead centred on the axel (solid axel), is this the
    case or wheel this throw the wheel alignment out of sync? What i had
    proposed to do, more precisely, is have the hub centre on the axel, the rim
    centred to the flanges of the hub, then the bmx freewheel in place and then
    the axel appropriately placed. Would this work or would it affect the wheel
    alignment? i thought not (?) Or do i need to relocate the axel as is and
    then follow arts description?

    thanks

  8. Cyclopath! - Keiron said:
    Quoted message said:

    Art gave an excellent description of how to use a dishing tool.

    Since you're moving ("redishing"😉 the hub to change from multiple
    freewheel to single freewheel, it may be you're missing this step:

    1. Change your hub's axle spacing (usually by adding and removing
    spacers) so that (a) the freewheel threads are positioned where you
    want (for your single speed freewheel) and (b) the over lock nut
    dimension fits your frame.

    Then follow Art's instructions to use the dishing tool.

    Hi Dianne, Thanks. I should have been more comprehensive initially. I had
    had read about this step but was further advised that spacing was less of an
    issue if the hub was instead centred on the axel (solid axel), is this the
    case or wheel this throw the wheel alignment out of sync? What i had
    proposed to do, more precisely, is have the hub centre on the axel, the rim
    centred to the flanges of the hub, then the bmx freewheel in place and then
    the axel appropriately placed. Would this work or would it affect the wheel
    alignment? i thought not (?) Or do i need to relocate the axel as is and
    then follow arts description?

    thanks

    Keiron,

    Here is the way I do this (set up a singlespeed rear wheel using a
    typical freewheel hub, either existing or before it's built, and then
    set up the bike as singlespeed using a BMX freewheel)
    1. Space the hub so that the midpoint between the flanges is the same
    as the midpoint between the locknuts, and so the hub's overall spacing
    (over-locknut dimension) matches the frame's. I do the measuring for
    this by just holding calipers and a ruler alongside the hub, and
    usually make a little diagram of the hub as I go along to help keep
    track of everything. This is a somewhat clumsy and imprecise way of
    measuring, but any dish (uneven spoke tension) introduced by the
    imprecision is very tiny and won't affect anything as long as you're
    pretty close.
    2. Either build or re-dish the wheel. The wheel will be virtually
    "dishless" (equal spoke tension on either side of the hub), which is a
    very good thing. You don't do anything unusual here - just get the rim
    centered between the 2 locknuts.
    3. Install the freewheel and measure what chainline it's giving you.
    Here I would also check the rear triangle alignment of the frame and
    either align it or take note if it, as misalignment directly affects
    chainline. (It's basically okay to skip the frame alignment part, but I
    don't because I like perfect chainline).
    4. Set up the bottom bracket, cranks, and chainring to give a chainline
    that matches the rear.

    This is the most expedient way I know to set up a
    random-freewheel-hub-based-singlespeed with perfect chainline and a
    dishless wheel. In the case of most hubs that are intended for
    singlespeed or fixed, you'll have a way of knowing what chainline
    they'll have ahead of time, and little or no tinkering will be required
    to get a front chainline to match, but this is generally not the case
    with what you're doing.

  9. get a true and cured 2x4
    block/shim up the tuba to the dish distance at the rims diameter
    bore a hole for the axle stub or for another longer axle from
    threadedvrod (machine shop)
    axle in hole then lace rim to JUST seated nipple settiings
    from frank bruto ex rodale

  10. Quoted message said:

    get a true and cured 2x4
    block/shim up the tuba to the dish distance at the rims diameter
    bore a hole for the axle stub or for another longer axle from
    threadedvrod (machine shop)
    axle in hole then lace rim to JUST seated nipple settiings
    from frank bruto ex rodale

    Ate two, bruto?

    Julius Jeffer

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