I'm looking for a good hydraulic disc brake system. I do pretty aggresive cross country riding, meaning I look for very steep very technical trails to ride both up and down and thow in the moderate connecting trails. I'm curently using the Shimano brakes that came with the 2002 Specialized Enduro, I believe they are the M525 hydraulic disk brakes. The problem is that as the pads wear, the 2 pistons don't move in the same amount so 1 pad will start rubbing and in turn sqeel. They also start to fade a bit after a long steep decent. I'm sure I would like the Shimano XT, or some Hayes equivelent disk brakes but I was wondering if there were some different brands like Grimeca, Hope, or Magura that someone would have some input on. Input on Shimano and Hayes would also be welcome.
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I'm looking for a good hydraulic disc brake system. I do pretty aggresive cross country riding, meaning I look for very steep very technical trails to ride both up and down and thow in the moderate connecting trails. I'm curently using the Shimano brakes that came with the 2002 Specialized Enduro, I believe they are the M525 hydraulic disk brakes. The problem is that as the pads wear, the 2 pistons don't move in the same amount so 1 pad will start rubbing and in turn sqeel. They also start to fade a bit after a long steep decent. I'm sure I would like the Shimano XT, or some Hayes equivelent disk brakes but I was wondering if there were some different brands like Grimeca, Hope, or Magura that someone would have some input on. Input on Shimano and Hayes would also be welcome.
Thanks for any help on this topic.
TJ
I would suggest same better aftermarket pads from Koolstop or EBC before you go throwing out those brakes. I have Hayes but I can't say they are really that much better than Shimano Deore. In fact I think the deore lever is much better designed. -- _________________________ Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia ramsays-online.comramsays-online.comOpen ↗
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I'm looking for a good hydraulic disc brake system. I do pretty
aggresive
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cross country riding, meaning I look for very steep very technical
trails to
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ride both up and down and thow in the moderate connecting trails. I'm curently using the Shimano brakes that came with the 2002 Specialized Enduro, I believe they are the M525 hydraulic disk brakes. The problem
is
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that as the pads wear, the 2 pistons don't move in the same amount so 1
pad
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will start rubbing and in turn sqeel. They also start to fade a bit
after a
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long steep decent. I'm sure I would like the Shimano XT, or some Hayes equivelent disk brakes but I was wondering if there were some different brands like Grimeca, Hope, or Magura that someone would have some input
on.
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Input on Shimano and Hayes would also be welcome.
Thanks for any help on this topic.
TJ
I would suggest same better aftermarket pads from Koolstop or EBC before you go throwing out those brakes. I have Hayes but I can't say they are really that much better than Shimano Deore. In fact I think the deore lever is much better designed. -- _________________________ Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia ramsays-online.comramsays-online.comOpen ↗
I've just put another new set of EBC Green in and I'm sure people think that it's a hog-on-fire coming up behind them. The squealing is terrible! LOL! I'll let them bed in a little before I reach for the oil can. Good pads won't always solve the problem. But better brakes probably won't either. Water certainly doesn't help. I don't know a great deal about the brakes but would get them checked - it doesn't sound right that one piston is moving less than the other. -- Westie
"> I'm looking for a good hydraulic disc brake system. I do pretty aggresive
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cross country riding, meaning I look for very steep very technical trails
to
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ride both up and down and thow in the moderate connecting trails. I'm curently using the Shimano brakes that came with the 2002 Specialized Enduro, I believe they are the M525 hydraulic disk brakes. The problem is that as the pads wear, the 2 pistons don't move in the same amount so 1
pad
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will start rubbing and in turn sqeel. They also start to fade a bit after
a
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long steep decent.
I'm not so sure disc are a good idea for long steep descents. I have them (Hayes) and frankly the small rotors don't have enough surface area to dissipate the heat. They burn up while the rim brake riders have no problem. This seems to be the one (infrequent at least in my case ) downside with discs. Once they get superheated they seem to severely loose effectiveness too.
You might have marginally better luck with larger (8 inch) rotors.
| |"> I'm looking for a good hydraulic disc brake system. I do pretty |aggresive |> cross country riding, meaning I look for very steep very technical trails |to |> ride both up and down and thow in the moderate connecting trails. I'm curently using the Shimano |> brakes that came with the 2002 Specialized Enduro, I believe they are the M525 hydraulic disk |> brakes. The problem is that as the pads wear, the 2 pistons don't move in the same amount so 1 |pad |> will start rubbing and in turn sqeel. They also start to fade a bit after |a |> long steep decent. | |I'm not so sure disc are a good idea for long steep descents. I have them |(Hayes) and frankly the small rotors don't have enough surface area to |dissipate the heat. They burn up while the rim brake riders have no |problem. This seems to be the one (infrequent at least in my case ) |downside with discs. Once they get superheated they seem to severely loose |effectiveness too.
Wow.
That is quite the opposite of my experience with many different flavors of rims brakes.
I used to get heat flats with cantis/Vs/hydraulic rim brakes on one long, hot, steep descent.
No problem with discs, even with the relatively crappy Magura Louise discs that I used for a while.
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I'm not so sure disc are a good idea for long steep descents. I have them (Hayes) and frankly the small rotors don't have enough surface area to dissipate the heat. They burn up while the rim brake riders have no problem. This seems to be the one (infrequent at least in my case ) downside with discs. Once they get superheated they seem to severely loose effectiveness too.
You might have marginally better luck with larger (8 inch) rotors.
Interesting, I'm on my 2nd season DH'ing with 6" (front & rear) Hayes hydros......no problems here or at places like San Juan trail (6 mi DH).
|I'm not so sure disc are a good idea for long steep descents. I have
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|(Hayes) and frankly the small rotors don't have enough surface area to |dissipate the heat. They burn up while the rim brake riders have no |problem. This seems to be the one (infrequent at least in my case ) |downside with discs. Once they get superheated they seem to severely
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|effectiveness too.
Wow.
That is quite the opposite of my experience with many different flavors of rims brakes.
I used to get heat flats with cantis/Vs/hydraulic rim brakes on one long, hot, steep descent.
No problem with discs, even with the relatively crappy Magura Louise discs that I used for a while.
Seems to me I remember seeing steam coming off some discs when you sprayed water on them in some of your own videos? And you had no problems? Yes - that is quite opposite my experience.
"> I'm looking for a good hydraulic disc brake system. I do pretty aggresive
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cross country riding, meaning I look for very steep very technical trails
to
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ride both up and down and thow in the moderate connecting trails. I'm curently using the Shimano brakes that came with the 2002 Specialized Enduro, I believe they are the M525 hydraulic disk brakes. The problem is that as the pads wear, the 2 pistons don't move in the same amount so 1
pad
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will start rubbing and in turn sqeel. They also start to fade a bit after
a
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long steep decent.
I'm not so sure disc are a good idea for long steep descents. I have them (Hayes) and frankly the small rotors don't have enough surface area to dissipate the heat. They burn up while the rim brake riders have no problem. This seems to be the one (infrequent at least in my case ) downside with discs. Once they get superheated they seem to severely loose effectiveness too.
You might have marginally better luck with larger (8 inch) rotors.
Maybe it's the hydrolic fluid? I have Hayes mechanicals and have no fade problems -- even on long mountain fire-road descents. I use EBC green pads, but I've also done it with Hayes pads and found them to slighly better at fade resistance.
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I'm looking for a good hydraulic disc brake system. I do pretty
aggresive
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cross country riding, meaning I look for very steep very technical
trails to
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ride both up and down and thow in the moderate connecting trails. I'm curently using the Shimano brakes that came with the 2002 Specialized Enduro, I believe they are the M525 hydraulic disk brakes. The problem
is
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that as the pads wear, the 2 pistons don't move in the same amount so 1
pad
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will start rubbing and in turn sqeel. They also start to fade a bit
after a
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long steep decent. I'm sure I would like the Shimano XT, or some Hayes equivelent disk brakes but I was wondering if there were some different brands like Grimeca, Hope, or Magura that someone would have some input
on.
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Input on Shimano and Hayes would also be welcome.
Thanks for any help on this topic.
TJ
I would suggest same better aftermarket pads from Koolstop or EBC before you go throwing out those brakes. I have Hayes but I can't say they are really that much better than Shimano Deore. In fact I think the deore lever is much better designed. -- _________________________ Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia ramsays-online.comramsays-online.comOpen ↗
I've just put another new set of EBC Green in and I'm sure people think that it's a hog-on-fire coming up behind them. The squealing is terrible! LOL! I'll let them bed in a little before I reach for the oil can. Good pads won't always solve the problem. But better brakes probably won't either. Water certainly doesn't help. I don't know a great deal about the brakes but would get them checked - it doesn't sound right that one piston is moving less than the other. -- Westie
Standard answer -- disc brake squeel us usually oil contamination -- on the rotor and on the pads. SO, just replacing the pads won't get rid of the squeel. A common source of the oil is from cleaning your chain. I learned early to be really careful not to spray water from the chain side even remotely in the direction of the discs -- even low pressure water'll carry that lube onto your rotor and it lubes just as well there as on your chain 🙂. I even made a disc cover from a big plastic lid that I put over it when I clean my chain on the bike so that I don't have to worry.
BUT, things to try... - comet - alcohol - auto brake cleaner (not on hayes) - mud -- this is what works best for me. Smear it on the rotor and ride. Repeat as necessary 🙂. I use fine mud without stones -- stones get in the holes of the rotor and gouge the pads -- not a show stopper, just a little less pad in contact with the rotor until they wear even again. The big advantage to mud is that it's always available 🙂. If you're not near water, make some mud with water from your hydration pak and a little trail dirt. AND, it's best not to do it at the bottom of a hill -- the rotor's a bit hot (although the sizzle's kinda neat until you realize a nano-second later that it's your finger that's sizzling 🙂).
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|(Hayes) and frankly the small rotors don't have enough surface area to |dissipate the heat. They burn up while the rim brake riders have no |problem. This seems to be the one (infrequent at least in my case ) |downside with discs. Once they get superheated they seem to severely
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|effectiveness too.
Wow.
That is quite the opposite of my experience with many different flavors of rims brakes.
I used to get heat flats with cantis/Vs/hydraulic rim brakes on one long, hot, steep descent.
No problem with discs, even with the relatively crappy Magura Louise discs that I used for a while.
Seems to me I remember seeing steam coming off some discs when you sprayed water on them in some of your own videos? And you had no problems? Yes - that is quite opposite my experience.
What makes you think that's a bad thing? You're turning motion into heat is the way that brakes work (conservation of energy) -- whether it's rim heat or rotor heat. Heating a piece of metal and a brake pad that's designed for heat seems like a much better option than heating a rim with a rubber tube in it with rubber pads. In fact, on the same mountain descents that I mentioned in an earlier post using XTR Vs (before I got my discs), I used to overheat the pads and they would start to get gravelly and if I didn't stop, they would fade BADLY. I never blew a tube -- when the above happened, I stopped until they cooled down (a real PITA).
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"> I'm looking for a good hydraulic disc brake system. I do pretty aggresive
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cross country riding, meaning I look for very steep very technical
trails
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to
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ride both up and down and thow in the moderate connecting trails. I'm curently using the Shimano brakes that came with the 2002 Specialized Enduro, I believe they are the M525 hydraulic disk brakes. The problem
is
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that as the pads wear, the 2 pistons don't move in the same amount so 1
pad
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will start rubbing and in turn sqeel. They also start to fade a bit
after
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a
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long steep decent.
I'm not so sure disc are a good idea for long steep descents. I have them (Hayes) and frankly the small rotors don't have enough surface area to dissipate the heat. They burn up while the rim brake riders have no problem. This seems to be the one (infrequent at least in my case ) downside with discs. Once they get superheated they seem to severely
loose
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effectiveness too.
You might have marginally better luck with larger (8 inch) rotors.
They do a what when?!?!?!?!? Discs are the _best_ idea for long steep descents 'IMNSHO' - only probs I heard of are with the closed system ones (with pad clearance adjustable on the master cyl.), where the pads get tight against the rotor as they get hot and they lock up. The open ones (like my Hope Mini) 'self-adjust', so this doesn't happen. Only time they faded on me was when my fork seal went and dumped fork oil all over the rotor, which wasn't the fault of the brakes, obviously - they have _never_ let me down otherwise.
Shaun aRe - To the OP - I can highly recommend the HOPE brakes, from experience, and they came highly recommended to me the same way.
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"> I'm looking for a good hydraulic disc brake system. I do pretty aggresive
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cross country riding, meaning I look for very steep very technical
trails
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to
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ride both up and down and thow in the moderate connecting trails. I'm curently using the Shimano brakes that came with the 2002 Specialized Enduro, I believe they are the M525 hydraulic disk brakes. The problem
is
Quoted message said:
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that as the pads wear, the 2 pistons don't move in the same amount so 1
pad
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will start rubbing and in turn sqeel. They also start to fade a bit
after
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a
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long steep decent.
I'm not so sure disc are a good idea for long steep descents. I have them (Hayes) and frankly the small rotors don't have enough surface area to dissipate the heat. They burn up while the rim brake riders have no problem. This seems to be the one (infrequent at least in my case ) downside with discs. Once they get superheated they seem to severely
loose
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effectiveness too.
You might have marginally better luck with larger (8 inch) rotors.
What?! Must be those 'Comp' level brakes. ;^) No problems with my 8in Hayes Mags or 5 1/4" Hope Minis.
I'm not so sure disc are a good idea for long steep descents. I have
them
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(Hayes) and frankly the small rotors don't have enough surface area to dissipate the heat. They burn up while the rim brake riders have no problem. This seems to be the one (infrequent at least in my case ) downside with discs. Once they get superheated they seem to severely
loose
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effectiveness too.
You might have marginally better luck with larger (8 inch) rotors.
What?! Must be those 'Comp' level brakes. ;^) No problems with my 8in Hayes Mags or 5 1/4" Hope Minis.
Wow. Apparently I am the only one to have ever had this happen. But careening down a narrow mountain hillside with a rapidly approaching switchback and a fistfull of brake lever fading to virtual nothingness got my attention.
BTW, it wasn't the comps either - it was the stock ones on the Giant.
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I'm not so sure disc are a good idea for long steep descents. I have
them
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(Hayes) and frankly the small rotors don't have enough surface area to dissipate the heat. They burn up while the rim brake riders have no problem. This seems to be the one (infrequent at least in my case ) downside with discs. Once they get superheated they seem to severely
loose
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effectiveness too.
You might have marginally better luck with larger (8 inch) rotors.
What?! Must be those 'Comp' level brakes. ;^) No problems with my 8in Hayes Mags or 5 1/4" Hope Minis.
Wow. Apparently I am the only one to have ever had this happen. But careening down a narrow mountain hillside with a rapidly approaching switchback and a fistfull of brake lever fading to virtual nothingness got my attention.
BTW, it wasn't the comps either - it was the stock ones on the Giant.
Yeah, I don't know, my Hayes Mag on the front wheel has been perfect, and I even use far less rear brake with it that I used to with my v-brake. So I don't know what the deal is.
I'm looking for a good hydraulic disc brake system. I do pretty aggresive cross country riding, meaning I look for very steep very technical trails
to
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ride both up and down and thow in the moderate connecting trails. I'm curently using the Shimano brakes that came with the 2002 Specialized Enduro, I believe they are the M525 hydraulic disk brakes. The problem is that as the pads wear, the 2 pistons don't move in the same amount so 1
pad
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will start rubbing and in turn sqeel. They also start to fade a bit after
a
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long steep decent. I'm sure I would like the Shimano XT, or some Hayes equivelent disk brakes but I was wondering if there were some different brands like Grimeca, Hope, or Magura that someone would have some input
on.
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Input on Shimano and Hayes would also be welcome.
Thanks for any help on this topic.
TJ
Simply put, avoid hope like the plague. They look nice but are absolutely [censored].
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I'm looking for a good hydraulic disc brake system. I do pretty
aggresive
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cross country riding, meaning I look for very steep very technical
trails
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to
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ride both up and down and thow in the moderate connecting trails. I'm curently using the Shimano brakes that came with the 2002 Specialized Enduro, I believe they are the M525 hydraulic disk brakes. The problem
is
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that as the pads wear, the 2 pistons don't move in the same amount so 1
pad
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will start rubbing and in turn sqeel. They also start to fade a bit
after
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a
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long steep decent. I'm sure I would like the Shimano XT, or some Hayes equivelent disk brakes but I was wondering if there were some different brands like Grimeca, Hope, or Magura that someone would have some input
on.
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Input on Shimano and Hayes would also be welcome.
Thanks for any help on this topic.
TJ
Simply put, avoid hope like the plague. They look nice but are absolutely [censored].
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Small Black "i detest my Hope m4 setup" Dog
I have a Hope Mini, and it works excellently. The DH racer in our MTB club uses Hope (4 pot ones, not sure which) and loves them - no probs. One of the other 'extreem' (heh) guys in the club uses them (same as me, the Mini) for DH and trials, and recommended them to me in the first place. In fact, half of the disc brake users in the bloody club use them and _none_ have reported anything but great, hassle free performance. WTF is wrong with _your_ Hopes that's convinced you they are all '[censored]'?
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I'm not so sure disc are a good idea for long steep descents. I have
them
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(Hayes) and frankly the small rotors don't have enough surface area to dissipate the heat. They burn up while the rim brake riders have no problem. This seems to be the one (infrequent at least in my case ) downside with discs. Once they get superheated they seem to severely
loose
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effectiveness too.
You might have marginally better luck with larger (8 inch) rotors.
What?! Must be those 'Comp' level brakes. ;^) No problems with my 8in Hayes Mags or 5 1/4" Hope Minis.
Wow. Apparently I am the only one to have ever had this happen. But careening down a narrow mountain hillside with a rapidly approaching switchback and a fistfull of brake lever fading to virtual nothingness got my attention.
BTW, it wasn't the comps either - it was the stock ones on the Giant.
I suspect you have a problem with the setup, or else a defective set of brakes. A friend of mine also wasn't all that happy with his Hayes discs when he got them, but after riding mine just a short way, he knew his setup was not right. I can't remember exactly what was the problem, but bleed issues come to mind as a possibility. Now that he has his PROPERLY set up, he is very happy with them; major turnaround in performance, he said. In my experience, it takes a tremendously serious amount of speed and braking to have any fade problems with Hayes. -- Off to ride the mountains, D H Reply to newsgroup. Spam is out of control.
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I'm looking for a good hydraulic disc brake system. I do pretty
aggresive
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cross country riding, meaning I look for very steep very technical
trails
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to
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ride both up and down and thow in the moderate connecting trails. I'm curently using the Shimano brakes that came with the 2002 Specialized Enduro, I believe they are the M525 hydraulic disk brakes. The problem
is
Quoted message said:
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that as the pads wear, the 2 pistons don't move in the same amount so 1
pad
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will start rubbing and in turn sqeel. They also start to fade a bit
after
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a
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long steep decent. I'm sure I would like the Shimano XT, or some Hayes equivelent disk brakes but I was wondering if there were some different brands like Grimeca, Hope, or Magura that someone would have some input
on.
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Input on Shimano and Hayes would also be welcome.
Thanks for any help on this topic.
TJ
Simply put, avoid hope like the plague. They look nice but are absolutely [censored].
No problem with discs, even with the relatively crappy Magura Louise discs that I used for a while.
Seems to me I remember seeing steam coming off some discs when you sprayed water on them in some of your own videos? And you had no problems? Yes - that is quite opposite my experience.
You'll get steam off rims too, you'll also get blown tires and metled rubber pads. Don't ride your brakes and you won't have a problem. It takes seconds to cool a disc brake at speed but it can't do that if the pad is always rubbing the rotor. -- _________________________ Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia ramsays-online.comramsays-online.comOpen ↗
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I'm looking for a good hydraulic disc brake system. I do pretty
aggresive
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cross country riding, meaning I look for very steep very technical
trails to
Quoted message said:
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ride both up and down and thow in the moderate connecting trails. I'm curently using the Shimano brakes that came with the 2002 Specialized Enduro, I believe they are the M525 hydraulic disk brakes. The problem
is
Quoted message said:
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that as the pads wear, the 2 pistons don't move in the same amount so 1
pad
Quoted message said:
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will start rubbing and in turn sqeel. They also start to fade a bit
after a
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
long steep decent. I'm sure I would like the Shimano XT, or some Hayes equivelent disk brakes but I was wondering if there were some different brands like Grimeca, Hope, or Magura that someone would have some input
on.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Input on Shimano and Hayes would also be welcome.
Thanks for any help on this topic.
TJ
I would suggest same better aftermarket pads from Koolstop or EBC before you go throwing out those brakes. I have Hayes but I can't say they are really that much better than Shimano Deore. In fact I think the deore lever is much better designed. -- _________________________ Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia ramsays-online.comramsays-online.comOpen ↗
I've just put another new set of EBC Green in and I'm sure people think that it's a hog-on-fire coming up behind them. The squealing is terrible! LOL! I'll let them bed in a little before I reach for the oil can. Good pads won't always solve the problem. But better brakes probably won't either. Water certainly doesn't help. I don't know a great deal about the brakes but would get them checked - it doesn't sound right that one piston is moving less than the other. -- Westie
The pads would glaze if there is even the slighest oil film on your rotors. Then they would sqeal. I would give the rotors a good going over with sandpaper and then alcohol. Then look at the pistons and make sure they aren't leaking anywhere. If they are not, push them both back into the caliper and center the caliper exactly over the rotor before the first time you press the brake. Both pistons should move close to the same amount but that depends on how well centered the rotor is. If you look from the top and see that the rotor is being nudged to one side or the other, something is either wrong with your alignment or the brake. -- _________________________ Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia ramsays-online.comramsays-online.comOpen ↗
