Dining Out

In article <[email hidden]>,

(TammyM) said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

The Ranger said:

"Free. It was worth it just watching her get soaked when you didn't stop
at the sidewalk."

The Ranger

<standing ovation>

I once stopped at a lovely, heavily laden grapefruit tree in someone's
yard in Arizona. I went to the front door, knocked, and asked if I could
purchase a few fresh grapefruit from them. I'd pick them.

He said I could have a few for free and thank you for being polite
enough to ask.....

It galls me what nerve people have sometimes, just tresspassing and
taking what they want like they are entitled to it!

I get raids on my fig tree on any branches hanging over the fence.
<grumble>

Perfect manners, asking to purchase those grapefruit, and ideal
response from him. Well done all-round.

Here's another thought about o'er hanging branches. My neighbors to
the north (backyard) planted a nectarine tree too close to the fence
line. About 1/3 of the branches hang over the fence. I have to clean
up the rotted fruit that drops into my yard and the leaves that drop
in autumn. I feel just fine about availing myself of the fruit that's
on my side of the fence.

Yeah I know, which is why I've never done anything about it.
The fruit hanging over the fence tho' is out in the street. City
whatchamacalit that is still essentially MY property, but I know I can't
really do anything about that.

Quoted message said:

I know, I know, if I were a decent human
being, I'd give it to them. But I'm not and I don't :-)

Nah. If they really wanted it, they'd ask to come and pick in your yard!
I have Muscadine grapes on the fenceline. I've told my neighbors they
can have any grapes on that side so don't hesitate to pick them, and I'd
even give them recipes! I generally just let the birds have them.
Muscadine is not an "edible" grape but makes good jelly or wine.

Quoted message said:

It probably
bears mentioning that we have had "words" a few times in the ten years
I've owned this house, and neither household is likely to invite the
other to any birthday parties any time soon.

TammyM

Sux doesn't it? :-(
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

(TammyM) said:

Michael \'Dog3\' Lonergan said:

"The Ranger" <[email hidden]> looking for trouble wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Melba's Jammin' <[email hidden]> wondered in
message news:[email hidden]...
> When's your court date, BTW. "-)

Hasn't happened yet.

Here's that tale...

<snip hilarious story>

Funniest thing I've read this week. Now, about the court date... You being
sued by the picker thief that you watered down?

If the cheeky thing DID try to sue him, she'd be laughed outta the
courthouse! Bravo, Ranger, bravo!

TammyM, still chortling

He can countersue for trespassing, theft and property damage. Damage to
the tree. ;-)

Granted, he could be cited for "assault", but I think her fine would be
much, much worse!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

(TammyM) said:

Michael \'Dog3\' Lonergan said:

"The Ranger" <[email hidden]> looking for trouble wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Melba's Jammin' <[email hidden]> wondered in
message news:[email hidden]...
> When's your court date, BTW. "-)

Hasn't happened yet.

Here's that tale...

<snip hilarious story>

Funniest thing I've read this week. Now, about the court date... You being
sued by the picker thief that you watered down?

If the cheeky thing DID try to sue him, she'd be laughed outta the
courthouse! Bravo, Ranger, bravo!

TammyM, still chortling

He can countersue for trespassing, theft and property damage. Damage to
the tree. ;-)

Granted, he could be cited for "assault", but I think her fine would be
much, much worse!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

The Ranger wrote:
<snipped funny story>

Priceless.

When I was little, the neighbors across the street had a *huge* garden.
The neighborhood rules were, as long as you asked Mr or Mrs Gardener
first, they were more than happy to share their bounty. And if they
weren't home...assume the answer was no. For the kids in the
neighborhood (we all seemed to have a fondness for radishes),
permission would be granted with the suggestion that perhaps we
wouldn't mind weeding a row or two in exchange...which we did. (These
were the neighbors that everyone loved - they used to buy little
trinkets for the neighborhood kids at Christmas, they would let us
climb the trees in their back yard, and somehow they convinced us that
cleaning out their cement fish pond was a really exciting way to spend
a summer day...)

One summer day, when Mr. & Mrs. Gardener were on vacation, I noticed an
adult neighbor ransacking their corn, carrots, etc. I went over to him
and politely pointed out that the neighbors weren't home, and he wasn't
supposed to be helping himself. Rather than admit to any wrong-doing -
because of course he was an adult and I was a snot-nosed kid - he
instead changed the subject - to my dog, Tippy. Tippy, he informed me,
was on the verge of being poisoned because Tippy was trying to get his
dog pregnant. I might have been snot-nosed, but I was old enough to
understand how reproduction worked, and pointed out that Tippy, being a
female dog, was unlikely to get his dog pregnant. He called me a liar,
told me to leave him alone, and again threatened to poison my dog.
(Tippy did have a bad habit of slipping her leash, but she was rarely
found on Mr. Idiot's lawn - she preferred hanging out with the male dog
down the street. Could explain why we had so many puppy litters.)

That was the last summer that the neighborhood was invited to share the
garden. By the time Mr. & Mrs. Gardener had returned, the garden was
almost decimated. The following summer, they fenced their garden with a
gate. Mr. Idiot was then caught in several *other* neighborhood
gardens helping himself. He himself would never put in a garden
because it destroyed the pristine lawn he was so proud of. Besides,
why work on a garden when you can just steal from your neighbors?

I lived in an unincorporated area of Indianapolis then, and while the
sheriff was pretty good at handling serious crimes, stealing corn and
tomatoes apparently wasn't a huge priority.

Mr. Idiot prided himself on being much more moral than the rest of us
heathens, and refused to allow his daughters to play with the neighbor
kids. I wasn't surprised to learn later that both daughters had gotten
pregnant by age 16...I suspect on their first date. Sad.

Lisa Ann

On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:39:26 -0800, sf <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

LurfysMa said:

(TammyM) said:

Here's another thought about o'er hanging branches. My neighbors to
the north (backyard) planted a nectarine tree too close to the fence
line. About 1/3 of the branches hang over the fence. I have to clean
up the rotted fruit that drops into my yard and the leaves that drop
in autumn. I feel just fine about availing myself of the fruit that's
on my side of the fence. I know, I know, if I were a decent human
being, I'd give it to them. But I'm not and I don't :-) It probably
bears mentioning that we have had "words" a few times in the ten years
I've owned this house, and neither household is likely to invite the
other to any birthday parties any time soon.

Around here, I'm pretty sure that anything that hangs over (or grows)
onto your property is yours. I think there was something in the paper
recently. If I recall correctly, you are within your rights to demand
that they trim it to the property line and/or do it yourself. Not sure
if you can then toss the trimmings back over the fence.

Around here, you can be sued for cutting a tree or bush to your
property line and the party that does the suing will win their case.

In Australia the law says that if it hangs over onto your legal
property then you can do what you like with it - you can chainsaw it
off at the fenceline if you like... what you can't do is to go as much
as half-an-inch over the border, or to walk into your neighbour's yard
to do the cutting because that's trespass and theft. I think that's
fair enough... except our neighbours really annoyed us by overpruning
one of our trees - every time they saw so much as a leaf over the
fence they'd lean over and cut the branch off and eventually the poor
shrub fell over and died! Those same neighbours also sawed an entire
limb off one of our gum trees because if there was a force ten gale it
might possibly blow down over their driveway and scratch their
precious SUV - only it wasn't even on their property at all. Like I
said, they annoyed us...

If there's fruit growing on your side of the fence it's yours too...
and I think that's fair enough - if you don't want the fruit falling
in your yard cut it off at the fenceline.

One year somebody snuck into our backyard at the dead of night and
totally stripped our large plum tree. Normally we leave the fruit for
the birds because we don't really like it (it's a satsuma and the
fruit tends to be very dry and hard and only good for cooking)... so I
guess they thought we were 'wasting' it! When we went to bed the tree
was full of fruit, and in the morning it was totally bare. The nerve
of some people...

--
~Karen aka Kajikit
Crafts, cats, and chocolate - the three essentials of life
http://www.kajikitscorner.com
Online photo album - http://community.webshots.com/user/kajikit

Karen AKA Kajikit said:

In Australia the law says that if it hangs over onto your legal
property then you can do what you like with it - you can chainsaw it
off at the fenceline if you like... what you can't do is to go as much
as half-an-inch over the border, or to walk into your neighbour's yard
to do the cutting because that's trespass and theft. I think that's
fair enough... except our neighbours really annoyed us by overpruning
one of our trees - every time they saw so much as a leaf over the
fence they'd lean over and cut the branch off and eventually the poor
shrub fell over and died! Those same neighbours also sawed an entire
limb off one of our gum trees because if there was a force ten gale it
might possibly blow down over their driveway and scratch their
precious SUV - only it wasn't even on their property at all. Like I
said, they annoyed us...

In most places where we have lived, you can prune over hanging limbs
with the caveat that you cannot prune so heavily you damamge the tree.
It is also given that you can pick fruit that hangs over into your yard.

gloria p

Karen AKA Kajikit said:

In Australia the law says that if it hangs over onto your legal
property then you can do what you like with it - you can chainsaw it
off at the fenceline if you like... what you can't do is to go as much
as half-an-inch over the border, or to walk into your neighbour's yard
to do the cutting because that's trespass and theft. I think that's
fair enough... except our neighbours really annoyed us by overpruning
one of our trees - every time they saw so much as a leaf over the
fence they'd lean over and cut the branch off and eventually the poor
shrub fell over and died! Those same neighbours also sawed an entire
limb off one of our gum trees because if there was a force ten gale it
might possibly blow down over their driveway and scratch their
precious SUV - only it wasn't even on their property at all. Like I
said, they annoyed us...

In most places where we have lived, you can prune over hanging limbs
with the caveat that you cannot prune so heavily you damamge the tree.
It is also given that you can pick fruit that hangs over into your yard.

gloria p

Puester said:

In most places where we have lived, you can prune over hanging limbs
with the caveat that you cannot prune so heavily you damamge the tree.
It is also given that you can pick fruit that hangs over into your yard.

Which is absolutely reasonable.

Puester said:

In most places where we have lived, you can prune over hanging limbs
with the caveat that you cannot prune so heavily you damamge the tree.
It is also given that you can pick fruit that hangs over into your yard.

Which is absolutely reasonable.

In article <[email hidden]>,

sf said:

Puester said:

In most places where we have lived, you can prune over hanging limbs
with the caveat that you cannot prune so heavily you damamge the tree.
It is also given that you can pick fruit that hangs over into your yard.

Which is absolutely reasonable.

I actually have been know to prune my OWN branches when they hang too
far over. I had a cedar tree that was leaning over just right to
actually hit the neighbor's roof.

In a storm, branches touching the roof can damage it and cause it to
leak. All of my own trees are pruned so that branches do not touch my
roof.

Dad and I teamed together with them to remove a rather large branch to
eliminate the problem. They got the wood for their fire pit. :-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

sf said:

Puester said:

In most places where we have lived, you can prune over hanging limbs
with the caveat that you cannot prune so heavily you damamge the tree.
It is also given that you can pick fruit that hangs over into your yard.

Which is absolutely reasonable.

I actually have been know to prune my OWN branches when they hang too
far over. I had a cedar tree that was leaning over just right to
actually hit the neighbor's roof.

In a storm, branches touching the roof can damage it and cause it to
leak. All of my own trees are pruned so that branches do not touch my
roof.

Dad and I teamed together with them to remove a rather large branch to
eliminate the problem. They got the wood for their fire pit. :-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

Lisa Ann said:

The Ranger wrote:
<snipped funny story>

Priceless.

When I was little, the neighbors across the street had a *huge* garden.
The neighborhood rules were, as long as you asked Mr or Mrs Gardener
first, they were more than happy to share their bounty. And if they
weren't home...assume the answer was no. For the kids in the
neighborhood (we all seemed to have a fondness for radishes),
permission would be granted with the suggestion that perhaps we
wouldn't mind weeding a row or two in exchange...which we did. (These
were the neighbors that everyone loved - they used to buy little
trinkets for the neighborhood kids at Christmas, they would let us
climb the trees in their back yard, and somehow they convinced us that
cleaning out their cement fish pond was a really exciting way to spend
a summer day...)

One summer day, when Mr. & Mrs. Gardener were on vacation, I noticed an
adult neighbor ransacking their corn, carrots, etc. I went over to him
and politely pointed out that the neighbors weren't home, and he wasn't
supposed to be helping himself. Rather than admit to any wrong-doing -
because of course he was an adult and I was a snot-nosed kid - he
instead changed the subject - to my dog, Tippy. Tippy, he informed me,
was on the verge of being poisoned because Tippy was trying to get his
dog pregnant. I might have been snot-nosed, but I was old enough to
understand how reproduction worked, and pointed out that Tippy, being a
female dog, was unlikely to get his dog pregnant. He called me a liar,
told me to leave him alone, and again threatened to poison my dog.
(Tippy did have a bad habit of slipping her leash, but she was rarely
found on Mr. Idiot's lawn - she preferred hanging out with the male dog
down the street. Could explain why we had so many puppy litters.)

That was the last summer that the neighborhood was invited to share the
garden. By the time Mr. & Mrs. Gardener had returned, the garden was
almost decimated. The following summer, they fenced their garden with a
gate. Mr. Idiot was then caught in several *other* neighborhood
gardens helping himself. He himself would never put in a garden
because it destroyed the pristine lawn he was so proud of. Besides,
why work on a garden when you can just steal from your neighbors?

I lived in an unincorporated area of Indianapolis then, and while the
sheriff was pretty good at handling serious crimes, stealing corn and
tomatoes apparently wasn't a huge priority.

Mr. Idiot prided himself on being much more moral than the rest of us
heathens, and refused to allow his daughters to play with the neighbor
kids. I wasn't surprised to learn later that both daughters had gotten
pregnant by age 16...I suspect on their first date. Sad.

Lisa Ann

Apparently the girls were fond of forbidden fruit, too.
--
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com, updated 11-9-05 finishing in four
parts the trip report from our vacation time in San Francisco
for Nephew Pat's wedding last weekend.

In article <[email hidden]>,

(TammyM) said:

Here's another thought about o'er hanging branches. My neighbors to
the north (backyard) planted a nectarine tree too close to the fence
line. About 1/3 of the branches hang over the fence. I have to clean
up the rotted fruit that drops into my yard and the leaves that drop
in autumn. I feel just fine about availing myself of the fruit that's
on my side of the fence. I know, I know, if I were a decent human
being, I'd give it to them. But I'm not and I don't :-) It probably
bears mentioning that we have had "words" a few times in the ten years
I've owned this house, and neither household is likely to invite the
other to any birthday parties any time soon.

TammyM

Law around here says that if the overhang is on your property, you get
the product. I don't believe you're indecent if you keep the product.
You're entitled. I usually manage a bouquet or two of lilacs that way,
myself. If the neighbor were more decent, he or she would either trim
the branches or clean the spoiled fruit from your property. (His
brother lives next door to me.)
--
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com, updated 11-9-05 finishing in four
parts the trip report from our vacation time in San Francisco
for Nephew Pat's wedding last weekend.

On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:42:13 -0800, "The Ranger"
<[email hidden]> rummaged among random neurons and opined:

Quoted message said:

Michael "Dog3" Lonergan <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

<snip hilarious story>

Funniest thing I've read this week. Now, about the court date...
You being sued by the picker thief that you watered down?

That was SWMBO's concern which forced a trip to my lawyer. Nothing's
come of it yet.

She was clearly trespassing, but some jurisdictions might interpret
your water bomb as assault. Personally, I think there ought to be some
sort legal free pass for combating complete jackassery.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

On 13 Nov 2005 14:00:42 +0100, Wayne Boatwright
<[email hidden]> rummaged among random neurons and opined:

Quoted message said:

I do the same thing here in AZ if I spot some good looking sour oranges.
I've never been turned down. Most folks just thrown them away because they
consider them strictly ornamental, but I'd never take any without asking.
In fact, I'd never walk only anyone's property except to the front door,
without asking.

We had a couple of very, uh, fruitful pomegranete trees in our yard
when we lived in Memphis. I practically put a sign out *begging*
people to take the fruit. We don't like pomegranetes and we'd have to
pick the ones up that fell off the tree and put them in a garbage can
with a tight fitting lid b/c the rotting fruit would attract bees.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:09:15 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
<[email hidden]> rummaged among random neurons
and opined:

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"Lisa Ann" <[email hidden]> wrote:

<snip of good story>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Mr. Idiot prided himself on being much more moral than the rest of us
heathens, and refused to allow his daughters to play with the neighbor
kids. I wasn't surprised to learn later that both daughters had gotten
pregnant by age 16...I suspect on their first date. Sad.

Lisa Ann

Apparently the girls were fond of forbidden fruit, too.

<eyeball rolling> To your room, missy. You are getting *such* a time
out!

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

Dave Smith said:

limey said:

That's the way I raised my kids - if we went out for a treat and they acted
up, I gathered them up and home we went. That message got through very
quickly and they were always well behaved in public. Thank G*d.

I keep hearing people say they do that, but I have never seen it happen. I have
seen kids behaving ub restaurants. I have seen kids act up and get disciplines.
I have seen far too many kids acting up while their parents keep making threats
that, from the number of times the threats are made, obviously are never carried
out. And I have seen kids running around while their parents seem to be
completely unaware of their intolerable behaviour. But never have I seen a
family get up and leave because the kid(s) was(were) misbehaving.

I snatched my kid up, carried her out under my arm like a sack of spuds
with her loudly protesting all the way. I gave my mom the cash for the
meal and she paid the check while escorted her out of the restaurant.
I've hauled her out of a supermarket once that way also. A few trips
out like that and the message gets through quickly. I think I had to do
it three times over a two year period. when she was about 3-4 years
old.

SD

In article <[email hidden]>,

Michael \'Dog3\' Lonergan said:

Dan Abel <[email hidden]> looking for trouble wrote in news:dabel-
[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

was a firefighter, and the temperature of the tub was dangerous for kids
that age. I figured that he just wanted her out of there. I ignored
him, but made sure she kept part of her body out of the water. I don't
think that helped the wave situation. We didn't stay in long, as we
were hungry and wanted dinner.

Quoted message said:

That is a bizarre one. If he was indeed a firefighter and detected an
unsafe condition, why didn't he report it immediately? I think you were had
Dan.

That's why I mostly ignored him. Still, I've always wondered.

--
Dan Abel
[email hidden]
Petaluma, California, USA

In article <[email hidden]>,

Michael \'Dog3\' Lonergan said:

Dan Abel <[email hidden]> looking for trouble wrote in news:dabel-
[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

was a firefighter, and the temperature of the tub was dangerous for kids
that age. I figured that he just wanted her out of there. I ignored
him, but made sure she kept part of her body out of the water. I don't
think that helped the wave situation. We didn't stay in long, as we
were hungry and wanted dinner.

Quoted message said:

That is a bizarre one. If he was indeed a firefighter and detected an
unsafe condition, why didn't he report it immediately? I think you were had
Dan.

That's why I mostly ignored him. Still, I've always wondered.

--
Dan Abel
[email hidden]
Petaluma, California, USA

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave Smith said:

limey said:

That's the way I raised my kids - if we went out for a treat and they acted
up, I gathered them up and home we went. That message got through very
quickly and they were always well behaved in public. Thank G*d.

I keep hearing people say they do that, but I have never seen it happen.

Perhaps that's because it doesn't happen very often? It doesn't take
but one or two times and the kids get the message and just don't
misbehave anymore. Once you've done this and proved that you will, just
the mention of it will get them to behave.

Also, most parents can see it coming. Those who are responsible will
take this action well before the kids get obnoxious enough to seriously
bother other people.

We've done this several times. If the other people in the restaurant
never noticed it because we nipped it in the bud, well, isn't that the
point?

--
Dan Abel
[email hidden]
Petaluma, California, USA