Dig this..

Hard to ignore

JC Der Koenig said:

Thanks for agreeing with me.

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Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

Bad hobby

JC Der Koenig said:

Thanks for agreeing with me.

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Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

Nobody's buying the act

JC Der Koenig said:

Milk is comprised of a majority of carbs. Equivocation paves the road to
obesity.

Better ideas are needed.

JC Der Koenig said:

The latter is more important, especially if one is already overweight.

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Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

Keep looking up

JC Der Koenig said:

The latter is more important, especially if one is already overweight.

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Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

Can't prove a thing. Soundin hollow without listed qualifications.

JC Der Koenig said:

Is that why you have trouble losing fat and I don't? Keep lying to yourself,
maybe someday that'll start working for you.

It could so much better in more capable hands.

JC Der Koenig said:

There you have it.

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Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

The bigger picture is that there is a slippery slope, a downward spiral.

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Now [censored]. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to
breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

No, I have trouble losing when I eat too much and don't exercise enough.
Blaming the tablespoon of milk in my coffee while ignoring the huge
hamburger patty with cheese _and_ bacon _and_ mayo (but no bun) would be
lying to myself.

That's why statements like "milk is not low carb" aren't helpful. It's
ignoring the bigger picture.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Is that why you have trouble losing fat and I don't? Keep lying to
yourself,
maybe someday that'll start working for you.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Milk is comprised of a majority of carbs.

So is broccoli. Maybe I wouldn't be so fat if I stopped eating
broccoli.
;o)

> Equivocation paves the road to
> obesity.
>

Lack of common sense paves the road to idiocy. The percentage of carbs
in
a particular food is only one factor in losing weight, and not the most
important factor. Brocolli and pasta both have a higher percentage of
carbs than fat or protein, yet a cup of brocolli has far fewer total
carbs.
The total number of carbs is more important, and calories are most
important. The majority of the time, your statements about which
particular foods are or are not low-carb is beyond unhelpful. I can
see
it
now:

Poster: "I eat nothing but 10 pounds of meat a day, plus a cup of
coffee
with a tablespoon of milk in it. Why can't I lose weight?"

JC: "Because milk is not low-carb."

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3
flaws.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

Better than average. A long way to go. Keep up the good work, Jim!

JC Der Koenig said:

The bigger picture is that there is a slippery slope, a downward spiral.

Steven O'Malley said:

Nobody's buying the act

man. where's carmen when we need her?

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Milk is comprised of a majority of carbs.

So is broccoli. Maybe I wouldn't be so fat if I stopped eating broccoli.
;o)

Quoted message said:

Equivocation paves the road to
obesity.

Lack of common sense paves the road to idiocy. The percentage of carbs in
a particular food is only one factor in losing weight, and not the most
important factor. Brocolli and pasta both have a higher percentage of
carbs than fat or protein, yet a cup of brocolli has far fewer total
carbs.
The total number of carbs is more important, and calories are most
important. The majority of the time, your statements about which
particular foods are or are not low-carb is beyond unhelpful. I can see
it
now:

Poster: "I eat nothing but 10 pounds of meat a day, plus a cup of coffee
with a tablespoon of milk in it. Why can't I lose weight?"

JC: "Because milk is not low-carb."

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

Well-said as usual, but funny as hell too. I had a chuckle : ) thanks,
I need to grab those when I can.

Lori

Is there anything you can do so you stop looking?

JC Der Koenig said:

The bigger picture is that there is a slippery slope, a downward spiral.

Pat said:

Have you ever noticed how much added sugar is in many containers of cottage
cheese? Why do the manufacturers think they have to pump sugar in it?

Manufacturers take advantage of the blissfully ignorant, who read the
"Nutritional Information" *maybe*, but don't read the actual what is IN it
list.

I'm one of the few people I know who reads beginning to end, *ingredient*
lists before making the decision to even put it in my cart. I'll read the
"how does this break down" list later on for my own amusement.

Many manufacturers, IMHO, put those unnecessary ingredients in there,
knowing they'll enhance the flavour and guarantee repeat customers, be it
cottage cheese, pre-packaged "cooks in 5 minutes" dinners, etc etc...

It sucks when you can hardly even trust what pretty much should be a base
ingredient, though. Sugar in table salt took the prize for me... who
would have thought you have to actually *check* salt ingredients?

Crafting Mom,
who now uses sugar-free salt ;-)
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Note: all opinions expressed above are personal and subjective on the
part of the poster, and may not necessarily apply to the reader thereof.

Priscilla,

Quoted message said:

Martin, why did you stay so low for so long? That might be part of the
problem.

I experimented with zero carbs, 20g per day and 60g/day
None of these worked in any noticable fashion.

Quoted message said:

How exactly did you fit any wheat/gluten into 20 grams carb/day?

I didn't, of course - I was just making the point that I was now gluten and
dairy free
and that maybe it was a food intolerance issus as much as anything else.

I still can't lose weight if I introduce carbs.

Cheers
Martin

In article <[email hidden]>,

MartB said:

Priscilla,

Quoted message said:

Martin, why did you stay so low for so long? That might be part of the
problem.

I experimented with zero carbs, 20g per day and 60g/day
None of these worked in any noticable fashion.

Quoted message said:

How exactly did you fit any wheat/gluten into 20 grams carb/day?

I didn't, of course - I was just making the point that I was now gluten and
dairy free
and that maybe it was a food intolerance issus as much as anything else.

I still can't lose weight if I introduce carbs.

Cheers
Martin

You said it didn't work at zero carbs either, so you're saying you can't
lose weight no matter what you do with carbs.

How close are you to a healthy weight? If you are very close, then you
will lose slowly and you may have to limit calories too.

Do you exercise?

Do you take measurements?

How long did you stick with zero, 20g, and 60g before changing your level?

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

Quoted message said:

You said it didn't work at zero carbs either, so you're saying you can't
lose weight no matter what you do with carbs.

Yes - within a range of 2000 cals a day.

Quoted message said:

How close are you to a healthy weight? If you are very close, then you
will lose slowly and you may have to limit calories too.

I'm 42 pounds over my goal of 168.

Quoted message said:

Do you exercise?

Went to the gym most days during my experiment

Quoted message said:

Do you take measurements?

No - I'll start I think

Quoted message said:

How long did you stick with zero, 20g, and 60g before changing your level?

I did 3 consecutive months of each.

I do admit to a thyroid problem which is now sorted.......

I'm just making the point that by dropping dairy I started to lose when all
else seemed to fail.
Irrespective of carbs.....

Thought it might help folks who are stuck like I was.
Martin

MartB said:

I still can't lose weight if I introduce carbs.

you don't eat vegetables? or eggs? or nuts?

Hi,
On 5-Dec-2004, [email hidden] (The Queen of Cans and Jars)

Quoted message said:

Steven O'Malley said:

Nobody's buying the act

man. where's carmen when we need her?

Speak of the Devil...<G>
Carmen's been a busy blonde. We closed on and moved into our house,
spent two nights there then promptly skyed off to SC to visit family,
then came back home and played host to the in-laws for several days in
our not-completely unpacked house. Then we finished clearing our
apartment to my standards.

I see JC has a new rump-wart. Guess he must have ticked off ol'
Onionhead back in September. <BG>

Take care,
Carmen

"Carmen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I see JC has a new rump-wart. Guess he must have ticked off ol'
Onionhead back in September. <BG>

:-)

Carmen said:

Hi,
On 5-Dec-2004, [email hidden] (The Queen of Cans and Jars)

Quoted message said:

Steven O'Malley said:

Nobody's buying the act

man. where's carmen when we need her?

Speak of the Devil...<G>
Carmen's been a busy blonde. We closed on and moved into our house,
spent two nights there then promptly skyed off to SC to visit family,
then came back home and played host to the in-laws for several days in
our not-completely unpacked house. Then we finished clearing our
apartment to my standards.

i figured you were still busy with house stuff. glad to hear
everything's ok.

Quoted message said:

I see JC has a new rump-wart. Guess he must have ticked off ol'
Onionhead back in September. <BG>

they love to follow him around, don't they?