[censored] Pound before he [censored] you

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ryan Cousineau said:

On the other hand, I did find this moderately dumb Harper's article:

http://harpers.org/sb-this-week-in-babylon-1168026499.html

They link to the emergency procedures checklist for the V-22:

"Harry Dunn, an Air Force veteran, former pilot, and aerospace engineer
who served in Vietnam and worked on the Hill for 21 years as a military
liaison with Congress, sent me the emergency procedures checklist (1.8M
PDF) for the V-22. At 144 confusing, overly detailed pages, Dunn said,
it is ³beyond any pilot.²"

http://harpers.org/art/silverstein/OspreyEmergency.pdf

Now, maybe some of the pilots in this group can comment. I'm not a
pilot, but it looks an awful lot like the emergency checklists that all
big planes carry, and doesn't appear to be unusual in the genre. I
suspect this is especially familiar stuff for any helicopter pilots out
there.

I'll send it to my dad. He taught cockpit resource management for C-5As and a
variety of commercial airliners so he'd have an idea if it's run of the mill or not.

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

In article <[email hidden]>,

MagillaGorilla said:

Quoted message said:

<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/07/magazine/07Antidoping.t.html>

It's a long article, you'll have to read it to make up your mind.
Sample paragraph:

"Battling the known and the unknown, and probably outspent and
outgunned, Pound has seized the prerogative of the underdog:
fight with whatever you've got. Fight fair. Or unfair. His best
weapon is his brilliance as a formulator of quotes, his ability to
make headlines and call attention to his cause. (He takes great
pride in this; one of his books is titled "High Impact
Quotations."😉 Pound is not a stereotypical Canadian, if you think
of Canadians as reticent, nor is he very lawyerly: he assembles
whatever facts he can gather, but when they're not attainable,
sometimes just makes them up."

In an article that is somewhat sympathetic to Pound's cause,
the author exposes various unflattering tendencies. It's
backlash time. I wasn't impressed by Tricky [censored]'s throwing
out a steroid accusation on Carl Lewis and then "not finding"
the file (Lewis may be an [censored], but even Wade Exum didn't
come up with anything other than pseudoephedrine on him).

I agree this accusation against Lewis was a mistake by Pound. But
besdies this one, can you quote me any other false allegations by Pound?

'roid Floyd.

--
Michael Press

Michael Press said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

MagillaGorilla said:

Quoted message said:

<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/07/magazine/07Antidoping.t.html>

It's a long article, you'll have to read it to make up your mind.
Sample paragraph:

"Battling the known and the unknown, and probably outspent and
outgunned, Pound has seized the prerogative of the underdog:
fight with whatever you've got. Fight fair. Or unfair. His best
weapon is his brilliance as a formulator of quotes, his ability to
make headlines and call attention to his cause. (He takes great
pride in this; one of his books is titled "High Impact
Quotations."😉 Pound is not a stereotypical Canadian, if you think
of Canadians as reticent, nor is he very lawyerly: he assembles
whatever facts he can gather, but when they're not attainable,
sometimes just makes them up."

In an article that is somewhat sympathetic to Pound's cause,
the author exposes various unflattering tendencies. It's
backlash time. I wasn't impressed by Tricky [censored]'s throwing
out a steroid accusation on Carl Lewis and then "not finding"
the file (Lewis may be an [censored], but even Wade Exum didn't
come up with anything other than pseudoephedrine on him).

I agree this accusation against Lewis was a mistake by Pound. But
besdies this one, can you quote me any other false allegations by Pound?

'roid Floyd.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum

Oh. Science dammit.
Flawed Logic strikes, again.

-bdbafh

Ryan Cousineau said:

"Harry Dunn, an Air Force veteran, former pilot, and aerospace engineer
who served in Vietnam and worked on the Hill for 21 years as a military
liaison with Congress, sent me the emergency procedures checklist (1.8M
PDF) for the V-22. At 144 confusing, overly detailed pages, Dunn said,
it is ³beyond any pilot.²"

Do you have a checklist for when you countersteer into a haybale ?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Donald Munro said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

"Harry Dunn, an Air Force veteran, former pilot, and aerospace engineer
who served in Vietnam and worked on the Hill for 21 years as a military
liaison with Congress, sent me the emergency procedures checklist (1.8M
PDF) for the V-22. At 144 confusing, overly detailed pages, Dunn said,
it is "beyond any pilot."

Do you have a checklist for when you countersteer into a haybale ?

Dumbass: I'm not the club haybaler. I did win the crash prize one year,
but it was for having two other people crash on my rear wheel on
separate club rides. I've had two race crashes in road races, and I've
had a few exciting moments (rear wheel drift at mid-corner while leading
the pack on a sprint lap during a crit, occasional use of grass verges
as a racing line, general sketchiness, etc.)

The year after he was sick of being called "Haybale," the same rider
(who I shouldn't mock, because I am a weak 4 and he is a strong 3)
managed to get knocked out of the pack during a training race and was
run over by one or more riders.

Now I call him "Treadmark."

BTW, I am quite convinced that my dozen years or so of motorcycling
before I started racing bicycles considerably helped my cornering and
general bike-handling. At least at the Cat 4 level, I'm pretty happy
with my cornering skills, though I'm a bit overcautious on descending
corners that require you to actually lose speed.

But my cornering isn't the problem: it's my Masters-grade gut.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

Fred Fredburger said:

"Dumber than a fighter pilot."

If the officer in question happened to BE a fighter pilot, they were
generally too busy talking about how anyone who flew a different fighter
than they did was gay to notice any stupid activity.

How do you tell if there's a fighter pilot in the room?

Don't worry, he'll tell you.

-dB

dbrower said:

Fred Fredburger said:

"Dumber than a fighter pilot."

If the officer in question happened to BE a fighter pilot, they were
generally too busy talking about how anyone who flew a different fighter
than they did was gay to notice any stupid activity.

How do you tell if there's a fighter pilot in the room?

Don't worry, he'll tell you.

Complete with "He was here and I was there" hand motions...

"And then I went up like this and he went there..."

Quoted message said:

You aren't a redneck, but you might be a dumbass. DARPA
is not a secret underground laboratory full of guys like
James Bond's M or the creepy robotic defense system from
Terminator 3.

Thank you for saving me the trouble of saying pretty much the same thing.

Acting like a clueless dumbass is MY schtick, thank you very much. It
really bugs me when others try to steal it.

email hidden said:

You aren't a redneck, but you might be a dumbass. DARPA
is not a secret underground laboratory full of guys like
James Bond's M or the creepy robotic defense system from
Terminator 3. Much of what DARPA does is to issue
solicitations for proposals and let contracts for research.
The research itself is often done at universities and
private companies that aren't black ops, security cleared, etc.

Very slightly security cleared -- such as sometimes with restrictions
on foreign nationals working in the labs, etc.

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Quoted message said:

You aren't a redneck, but you might be a dumbass. DARPA
is not a secret underground laboratory full of guys like
James Bond's M or the creepy robotic defense system from
Terminator 3.

This is exactly what DARPA wants you to believe.

Robert Chung said:

Quoted message said:

You aren't a redneck, but you might be a dumbass. DARPA
is not a secret underground laboratory full of guys like
James Bond's M or the creepy robotic defense system from
Terminator 3.

This is exactly what DARPA wants you to believe.

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/01/11/coin-spy.html

Robert Chung said:

Quoted message said:

You aren't a redneck, but you might be a dumbass. DARPA
is not a secret underground laboratory full of guys like
James Bond's M or the creepy robotic defense system from
Terminator 3.

This is exactly what DARPA wants you to believe.

DARPA is the public front; what keeps the wacko
colonels from spending the defense budget on antigravity
devices, Tesla death rays, and nuclear airplanes. That
[censored] all happens inside the military research labs (I assume,
since of course I don't know anything about it, right?).
I'm counting on Pentagon bureaucracy to make sure the
robotic defense system is too laden down with non-workable
feature creep to ever actually take over the world.

On 1/11/07 5:39 PM, in article
[email hidden],

Quoted post said:

Robert Chung said:

Quoted message said:

You aren't a redneck, but you might be a dumbass. DARPA
is not a secret underground laboratory full of guys like
James Bond's M or the creepy robotic defense system from
Terminator 3.

This is exactly what DARPA wants you to believe.

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/01/11/coin-spy.html

Must be hi-tech.....
They spelled "defence" instead of "defense" All through the story...

On 1/11/07 6:46 PM, in article
[email hidden],

Quoted post said:

Robert Chung said:

Quoted message said:

You aren't a redneck, but you might be a dumbass. DARPA
is not a secret underground laboratory full of guys like
James Bond's M or the creepy robotic defense system from
Terminator 3.

This is exactly what DARPA wants you to believe.

DARPA is the public front; what keeps the wacko
colonels from spending the defense budget on antigravity
devices, Tesla death rays, and nuclear airplanes. That
[censored] all happens inside the military research labs (I assume,
since of course I don't know anything about it, right?).
I'm counting on Pentagon bureaucracy to make sure the
robotic defense system is too laden down with non-workable
feature creep to ever actually take over the world.

The SkyNet funding bill is passed. The system goes online on August 4th,
2007. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. SkyNet begins to
learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14am Eastern time,
August 29th, 2007. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.

And........ Skynet fights back. Details to come on the Drudge Report

Quoted message said:

I'm counting on Pentagon bureaucracy to make sure the
robotic defense system is too laden down with non-workable
feature creep to ever actually take over the world.

Just imagine Terminator running on Windows.

ST said:

Must be hi-tech.....
They spelled "defence" instead of "defense" All through the story...

Its a secret new spell checker.

zencycle said:

As much as I appreciate the discourse, the idea that anyone in this
forum has any clue about the benefits or detriments the DARPA program
has on the US budget is completely laughable.

<snip>

Uhhh, that's a pretty bold statement. IMHO, funding going to DARPA is by far
better spent than it is in the rest of the DoD. DARPA management and PMs are
highly motivated and smart people, and even if only one out of ten programs
get transitioned, that more than justifies the other nine.

Mark
(have briefed five different DARPA directors in former life)

On Jan 7, 6:11 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/07/magazine/07Antidoping.t.html>

It's a long article, you'll have to read it to make up your mind.
Sample paragraph:

"Battling the known and the unknown, and probably outspent and
outgunned, Pound has seized the prerogative of the underdog:
fight with whatever you've got. Fight fair. Or unfair. His best
weapon is his brilliance as a formulator of quotes, his ability to
make headlines and call attention to his cause. (He takes great
pride in this; one of his books is titled "High Impact
Quotations."😉 Pound is not a stereotypical Canadian, if you think
of Canadians as reticent, nor is he very lawyerly: he assembles
whatever facts he can gather, but when they're not attainable,
sometimes just makes them up."

In an article that is somewhat sympathetic to Pound's cause,
the author exposes various unflattering tendencies. It's
backlash time. I wasn't impressed by Tricky [censored]'s throwing
out a steroid accusation on Carl Lewis and then "not finding"
the file (Lewis may be an [censored], but even Wade Exum didn't
come up with anything other than pseudoephedrine on him).

Actually, the creepiest stuff in the article isn't [censored] Pound's
crusade, it's the DARPA Universal Soldier research, although
you sort of had to know they were doing that.

Ben

It says on the site: "To read this archive article, upgrade to
TimesSelect or purchase as a single article."
and it costs $4.95. Can you copy the article and paste it here, so I
can read it? Thanks.

-ilan

ilan said:

On Jan 7, 6:11 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/07/magazine/07Antidoping.t.html>

Quoted message said:

It's a long article, you'll have to read it to make up your mind.
Sample paragraph:

It says on the site: "To read this archive article, upgrade to
TimesSelect or purchase as a single article."
and it costs $4.95. Can you copy the article and paste it here, so I
can read it? Thanks.

Nope. I mean, aside from the ethicality of copyright
violation, the article is over a month old, as is
this thread. NY Times articles are free on the web
for a week after publication, so if you had noticed
the thread then, it would have been free. Because
I don't have a paid Times subscription anymore, it's
behind the wall for me too.

Sometimes you can find Times news articles that have been
syndicated on other newspapers' websites for free, but
since this was a magazine article rather than news,
that probably won't work. Try googling [censored] Pound and
the author and see what turns up.

Oh yeah, if you are at a university or company that
subscribes to Lexis-Nexis or the global equivalent,
you might be able to find it that way.

Ben