[censored] Pound and Morals

Joe King said:

"The moral question is simple," Pound said. "It is one thing if you are
prepared to go physically endure the rigors of training at altitude. But to
be at sea level and climb into a tent and go to sleep pretending you're at
altitude, and getting the same result, is artificial."

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What would he say about those who only sleep at real altitude but train low?

Wayne

Wayne Pein said:

Joe King said:

"The moral question is simple," Pound said. "It is one thing if you are
prepared to go physically endure the rigors of training at altitude. But to
be at sea level and climb into a tent and go to sleep pretending you're at
altitude, and getting the same result, is artificial."

Source:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/POUND_DOPING?SITE=AKFAI&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

What would he say about those who only sleep at real altitude but train low?

Wayne

You can use an altitude tent but only if you also live at altitude.

Joe King said:

"The moral question is simple," Pound said. "It is one thing if you are
prepared to go physically endure the rigors of training at altitude. But to
be at sea level and climb into a tent and go to sleep pretending you're at
altitude, and getting the same result, is artificial."

Source:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/POUND_DOPING?SITE=AKFAI&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

He sounds a bit more professional and reasonable than usual.

I don't know what they are trying to accomplish with the tent ban. It would end
up doing nothing more than increase the geographic concentration of endurance
athletes in areas where live high train low is practical.

Ron

I think they should cover up the names on their skis.

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I don't know what they are trying to accomplish with the tent ban. It
would end
up doing nothing more than increase the geographic concentration of
endurance
athletes in areas where live high train low is practical.

You've got it all wrong. There much more $$$ in performance-enhancing drugs
than altitude tents. [censored] Pound is obviously working hard to redirect people
back towards drug usage. It's all becoming clear now. Just like CSC hiring
an anti-drug doctor to make it appear their team is clean. [censored] Pound is
actually making all those off-the-wall statements in an attempt to discredit
the anti-doping establishment.

He's on the take. No question about it.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

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On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:44:11 -0700, "Joe King" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"The moral question is simple," Pound said. "It is one thing if you are
prepared to go physically endure the rigors of training at altitude. But
to
be at sea level and climb into a tent and go to sleep pretending you're at
altitude, and getting the same result, is artificial."

Source:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/POUND_DOPING?SITE=AKFAI&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

He sounds a bit more professional and reasonable than usual.

I don't know what they are trying to accomplish with the tent ban. It
would end
up doing nothing more than increase the geographic concentration of
endurance
athletes in areas where live high train low is practical.

Ron

Joe King said:

"The moral question is simple," Pound said. "It is one thing if you are
prepared to go physically endure the rigors of training at altitude. But to
be at sea level and climb into a tent and go to sleep pretending you're at
altitude, and getting the same result, is artificial."

Source:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/POUND_DOPING?SITE=AKFAI&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

We need to find out if Dickie boy has a prescription for any of those
altitude increasing love pills.
--D-y

Quoted message said:

Joe King said:

"The moral question is simple," Pound said. "It is one thing if you are
prepared to go physically endure the rigors of training at altitude. But to
be at sea level and climb into a tent and go to sleep pretending you're at
altitude, and getting the same result, is artificial."

Source:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/POUND_DOPING?SITE=AKFAI&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

We need to find out if Dickie boy has a prescription for any of those
altitude increasing love pills.
--D-y

He must have, he's obviously got a hard on for dopers 24/7 and that'd
be tough naturally.
Bill C

Bill C said:

He must have [erection by doping], he's obviously got a hard on for dopers 24/7 and that'd
be tough naturally.

I think it's actually a psychological problem dating back to the 1960
Olympics.

Well, Marion Jones bent his johnson for him.

There is hope. Landis' case is pending. Another imperfect test? Two,
right close together, and for different substances?

How many readers did this "A" sample positive require, again? Or did
they just pay the Hamilton guy, in front this time? --D-y

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Quoted message said:

"The moral question is simple," Pound said. "It is one thing if you
are prepared to go physically endure the rigors of training at
altitude. But to be at sea level and climb into a tent and go to sleep
pretending you're at altitude, and getting the same result, is
artificial."

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Life in the 21st century is artificial for most members of any
"civilized" societies. Taking vitamins is artificial, buying food in a
grocery store is artificial, sleeping indoors and _not_ in a tent is
artificial.

Conclusion - we should all sleep in tents or consider ourselves
"artificial."

-S-

Quoted message said:

Bill C said:

He must have [erection by doping], he's obviously got a hard on for dopers 24/7 and that'd
be tough naturally.

I think it's actually a psychological problem dating back to the 1960
Olympics.

Well, Marion Jones bent his johnson for him.

There is hope. Landis' case is pending. Another imperfect test? Two,
right close together, and for different substances?

How many readers did this "A" sample positive require, again? Or did
they just pay the Hamilton guy, in front this time? --D-y

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From the things Pound's had to say lately I'm afraid one of my fears is

coming to pass. He seemed really [censored] that the "B" wasn't read the
same as the "A" in Jones' case. It sounds like his attitude is "Well if
YOU can't read it the way I want it read then we'll get someone else
who will!!".
I was very concerned about the pressure he had been putting on the
labs with all his premature, predjudicial statements, but this seems to
take it one step farther. I'd love for someone at the lab to leak
what's really going on inside and what kind of pressure is being put on
them.
Bill C

Wayne Pein said:

Joe King said:

"The moral question is simple," Pound said. "It is one thing if you are
prepared to go physically endure the rigors of training at altitude. But to
be at sea level and climb into a tent and go to sleep pretending you're at
altitude, and getting the same result, is artificial."

Source:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/POUND_DOPING?SITE=AKFAI&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

What would he say about those who only sleep at real altitude but train low?

It's OK if you ride down the hill to train and ride back up
to your house at the end of the day. But if you drive
down and up the mountain, or even load yourself
and your bike onto the tramway or telepherique,
it's artificial assistance and therefore cheating.
It's very simple when you have moral clarity to guide
you, really.

Ben
I get the moral clear along with the moral cream,
from BALCO.

Quoted message said:

I get the moral clear along with the moral cream, from BALCO.

Can this moral cream be applied where the patches normally go and, more
importantly, did you persuade your patch checking boss to apply it for you ?

Joe King said:

"The moral question is simple," Pound said. "It is one thing if you are
prepared to go physically endure the rigors of training at altitude. But to
be at sea level and climb into a tent and go to sleep pretending you're at
altitude, and getting the same result, is artificial."

Source:
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"The moral question is simple," Coggan said. "It is one thing if you
are prepared to go physically endure the rigors of training in hot
weather. But to be at a temperate location and put on extra clothing
and go train pretending you're in a hot location, and get the same
result, is artificial."

Andy ("moral but naked"😉 Coggan

Joe King said:

"The moral question is simple," Pound said. "It is one thing if you are
prepared to go physically endure the rigors of training at altitude.
But to be at sea level and climb into a tent and go to sleep pretending
you're at altitude, and getting the same result, is artificial."

Pound is the reincarnation of de Coubertin.

Quoted message said:

Joe King said:

"The moral question is simple," Pound said. "It is one thing if you are
prepared to go physically endure the rigors of training at altitude. But to
be at sea level and climb into a tent and go to sleep pretending you're at
altitude, and getting the same result, is artificial."

Source:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/POUND_DOPING?SITE=AKFAI&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

"The moral question is simple," Coggan said. "It is one thing if you
are prepared to go physically endure the rigors of training in hot
weather. But to be at a temperate location and put on extra clothing
and go train pretending you're in a hot location, and get the same
result, is artificial."

Andy ("moral but naked"😉 Coggan

Do the women you've used this moral argument on buy it?

Robert Chung said:

Joe King said:

"The moral question is simple," Pound said. "It is one thing if you are
prepared to go physically endure the rigors of training at altitude.
But to be at sea level and climb into a tent and go to sleep pretending
you're at altitude, and getting the same result, is artificial."

Pound is the reincarnation of de Coubertin.

Or, does he /think/ he is the reincarnation of de Coubertin?

-dB http://trustbut.blogspot.com for Landis news, research, and
comment.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Fred Fredburger said:

Quoted message said:

Joe King said:

"The moral question is simple," Pound said. "It is one thing if you are
prepared to go physically endure the rigors of training at altitude. But
to
be at sea level and climb into a tent and go to sleep pretending you're at
altitude, and getting the same result, is artificial."

Source:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/POUND_DOPING?SITE=AKFAI&SECTION=HOME
&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

"The moral question is simple," Coggan said. "It is one thing if you
are prepared to go physically endure the rigors of training in hot
weather. But to be at a temperate location and put on extra clothing
and go train pretending you're in a hot location, and get the same
result, is artificial."

Andy ("moral but naked"😉 Coggan

Do the women you've used this moral argument on buy it?

I would direct you to the pioneering work of Prof. Nelly in the journal
_Nellyville_, where his paper "Hot In Herre" describes such a phenomenon.

Please note that the language in this paper is rather high-level, and
not recommended for undergraduates or high school students.

The original paper:

http://www.lyricsstyle.com/n/nelly/hotinherre.html

Related commentary:

http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=2526

The abstract:

Its gettin hot in here (so hot)
So take off all your clothes

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=WADA+Defends+Testing+

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/POUND_DOPING?SITE=AKFAI&SECTION=HOME&
TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

http://www.examiner.com/a-287069~WADA_Defends_Testing_of_Jones__Landis.html

http://ap.washingtontimes.com/dynamic/stories/P/POUND_DOPING?SITE=DCTMS&SECT
ION=HOME

Flip thru the Google search. Either the above is a bad joke or WADA smacks
of inspection oriented quality control = the people in charge do not
understand the process so they spend all their time waiting until a widget
has been made, to then inspect the widget with their inability to understand
what they are looking at, and then decide what to do.

[censored] Pound, I have gotten cycling out of a couple good ones. If you don't
know where to find me, I am here: John Bickmore 303-695-6467 If you do not
contact me then I take your decision to mean that you have made a decision
to fail to properly do your job.

I will report your decision to this newsgroup in a week.

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Joe King said:

"The moral question is simple," Pound said. "It is one thing if you are
prepared to go physically endure the rigors of training at altitude. But

to

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be at sea level and climb into a tent and go to sleep pretending you're

at

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altitude, and getting the same result, is artificial."

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TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Quoted message said:

"The moral question is simple," Coggan said. "It is one thing if you
are prepared to go physically endure the rigors of training in hot
weather. But to be at a temperate location and put on extra clothing
and go train pretending you're in a hot location, and get the same
result, is artificial."

Andy ("moral but naked"😉 Coggan

Joe King said:

"The moral question is simple," Pound said. "It is one thing if you are
prepared to go physically endure the rigors of training at altitude. But to
be at sea level and climb into a tent and go to sleep pretending you're at
altitude, and getting the same result, is artificial."

Source:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/POUND_DOPING?SITE=AKFAI&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Why is [censored] Pound bringing up mushrooms? I know Wille Nelson got
busted for pot and 'shrooms, but what does that have to do with the
_real_ dopers? Is he saying that the French, those fungi fanatics, are
implicated by these mushrooms? Can you even eat a mushroom in a
hyperbaric tent without dying? I don't know. The whole thing confuses
the [censored] out of me.

R