Diagnose this injury please

Steve schrieb:

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Hey guys

I took some skiing lessons yesterday and I must admit I spent more time
in the snow than skiing on top of it.

I crashed one time pretty hard, after coming down a slope and trying to
turn, I pretty much landed forward on my chest and side when my skis
went out of control and I slipped and fell.

Today I woke up and find that my left side breast area is pretty darn
sore, and when I tuck my shirt in, I have obvious soreness and pain
when I try to extend or "reach" with my left arm.

reaching for the seatbelt also causes the same thing

I doubt I am having a heart attack since I am still alive and walking
around, BP and pulse are normal (just wanted to throw that out
there...)

Did I just pull a muscle or bruise my ribs? This sounds weird but the
area under my left breast is what is sore, no where else
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thanks

boobis americanism

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boobis americanism

Not nearly as bad as "cowardly anonymousism"

BTW, bruised rib you moron.

"Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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I crashed one time pretty hard, after coming down a slope and trying to
turn, I pretty much landed forward on my chest and side when my skis
went out of control and I slipped and fell.

Did you catch your fall with your hand? Lotsa boarders dislocate a shoulder
this way. But you didn't report any loss of movement only pain.

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Today I woke up and find that my left side breast area is pretty darn
sore, and when I tuck my shirt in, I have obvious soreness and pain
when I try to extend or "reach" with my left arm.

Is there any swelling? Compare one side to the other.
Any point tenderness? When you poke around with your good hand, where does
it hurt? Shoulder? ribs?
Does it hurt if you take a deep breath?

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I doubt I am having a heart attack since I am still alive and walking
around,

Hardly conclusive, but I doubt it too.

BP and pulse are normal (just wanted to throw that out

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there...)

Did I just pull a muscle or bruise my ribs?

Probably. If it gets worse go to a clinic. Monitor your pulse from time to
time. Do you know what "normal" pulse is? For your self that is? Its pretty
unlikely, but possible to injure your aorta from a direct blow. That injury
would likely be showing pretty severe symptoms (potentially, death, so if
you don't report back, we'll be wondering...) by now, but anything is
possible.

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This sounds weird but the
area under my left breast is what is sore, no where else
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thanks

"Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote

<A buncha stuff and asked for a diagnosis>

An internet diagnosis, eh??

OK, I'll bite.

You are pregnant!!

How did I do?

(If you need a "diagnosis", you need a doc, OK?)

Steve said:

Hey guys

I took some skiing lessons yesterday and I must admit I spent more time
in the snow than skiing on top of it.

I crashed one time pretty hard, after coming down a slope and trying to
turn, I pretty much landed forward on my chest and side when my skis
went out of control and I slipped and fell.

Today I woke up and find that my left side breast area is pretty darn
sore, and when I tuck my shirt in, I have obvious soreness and pain
when I try to extend or "reach" with my left arm.

reaching for the seatbelt also causes the same thing

I doubt I am having a heart attack since I am still alive and walking
around, BP and pulse are normal (just wanted to throw that out
there...)

You can experience symptoms of an M.I. for days. Most
people who have heart attacks don't "drop dead" on the
spot. The pain associated typically radiates to the
shoulder, arm, or jaw. Pectoral or side soreness is
probably a pulled muscle.

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Did I just pull a muscle or bruise my ribs? This sounds weird but the
area under my left breast is what is sore, no where else
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See a doctor, get an x-ray. Don't crosspost.

Steve said:

I doubt I am having a heart attack since I am still alive and walking
around, BP and pulse are normal (just wanted to throw that out
there...)

I doubt you're having a heart attack too.

But just so you know, people have heart attacks and walk around with normal
vital signs all the time.

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Did I just pull a muscle or bruise my ribs?

Probably.

Or ruptured your spleen and you'll be in ICU before you read this, but my
money is on the muscle or rib thing.

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This sounds weird but the
area under my left breast is what is sore, no where else
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Why is that weird? Boo boo from skiing. Deal with it give up skiing.

"Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hey guys

I took some skiing lessons yesterday and I must admit I spent more time
in the snow than skiing on top of it.

I crashed one time pretty hard, after coming down a slope and trying to
turn, I pretty much landed forward on my chest and side when my skis
went out of control and I slipped and fell.

Watch out for those trees! They can be a killer.

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Today I woke up and find that my left side breast area is pretty darn
sore, and when I tuck my shirt in, I have obvious soreness and pain
when I try to extend or "reach" with my left arm.

reaching for the seatbelt also causes the same thing

I doubt I am having a heart attack since I am still alive and walking
around, BP and pulse are normal (just wanted to throw that out
there...)

Did I just pull a muscle or bruise my ribs? This sounds weird but the
area under my left breast is what is sore, no where else
comments wanted

thanks

Steve said:

Hey guys

I took some skiing lessons yesterday and I must admit I spent more
time in the snow than skiing on top of it.

I crashed one time pretty hard, after coming down a slope and trying
to turn, I pretty much landed forward on my chest and side when my
skis went out of control and I slipped and fell.

Today I woke up and find that my left side breast area is pretty darn
sore, and when I tuck my shirt in, I have obvious soreness and pain
when I try to extend or "reach" with my left arm.

reaching for the seatbelt also causes the same thing

I doubt I am having a heart attack since I am still alive and walking
around, BP and pulse are normal (just wanted to throw that out
there...)

Did I just pull a muscle or bruise my ribs? This sounds weird but the
area under my left breast is what is sore, no where else
comments wanted

thanks

Hi, this is Dr. Larry. No need to see anybody else, live or Internet. My
rock solid and certain diagnosis is all you need.

I'm am completely certain that all you need is to drink rum, and lots of it.
That will cure you. Please don't consult anybody else on this...there is no
need.

umm...that will be $135. I take PayPal...
--
-Dr. Larry

Steve wrote:

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go ask a doctor you moron.

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go ask a doctor you moron.

Oh but runners are sooooooooo much smarter...

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Watch out for those trees! They can be a killer.

Good advice! There's a huge rash of complaints from runners about being
attacked by trees. Well, I guess that applys to just about everything, runners
seem to A) be attacked a lot. And B) whine about it a lot.

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You are pregnant!!

How did I do?

You're right, and I'm his "daddy".

I fell from a 2 stories house this area was 27 feet. still was a stupid
thing to do. pain came much later. stupid was a while. at doc office
some 40 50 miles from there is when all the stiff as a board my body
became happen. then doc got me. at the house I broke 2 construction
planks before hitting a pile of broken brick in the winter a few back.
bill at Doc was $285.00
2 weeks off of work no pay.
I got 3 days pay or a last check for the year. and new year we started
working again. total was
$520.00 2 days work and 3 days pay gross on a 1099 tax form. and 2
weeks off of work, I had to buy the pills.
now that was a shoulder hurt.
A limb that well not move. I could make it swing.
in time it work again.
rest it.
keep swollen down. this is the enemy.

I never been the same.
I left inside for ever.
miss the wave, and was put into a thing called running full time. rec
running style.

Now I don't work and I am a biker gone.
soon going outside of outside I hope.
your (_!_).
Not mine. catch me if you can.

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Carey Gregory said:

Steve said:

I doubt I am having a heart attack since I am still alive and walking
around, BP and pulse are normal (just wanted to throw that out
there...)

I doubt you're having a heart attack too.

But just so you know, people have heart attacks and walk around with normal
vital signs all the time.

I've been curious about this.

The father of a friend is a wiry little guy, 68 years old, who runs
half marathons. In preparing for the latest one, he noticed a little
chest pain, which was slightly worse during the marathon itself.
According to my friend, he's one of those stoical types who avoids
doctors, but was finally persuaded to see one a few weeks later.

His appointment was on a Friday afternoon. He had a quintuple bypass
on Monday morning. It was reported that 30% of his heart was dead of
ischemia. He had apparently had a series of heart attacks, and kept
running during and after. He's recovering well from the surgery.

I find this amazing. Was he just lucky that none of the attacks
affected the node that controls the heart rhythm? How can someone be
walking around with 30% of their heart dead? Did he survive because he
had a lot of excess capacity from all that running? Is this something
for the literature, or not all that uncommon? Has my friend garbled
the story?

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Carey Gregory said:

Steve said:

I doubt I am having a heart attack since I am still alive and walking
around, BP and pulse are normal (just wanted to throw that out
there...)

I doubt you're having a heart attack too.

But just so you know, people have heart attacks and walk around with normal
vital signs all the time.

I've been curious about this.

The father of a friend is a wiry little guy, 68 years old, who runs
half marathons. In preparing for the latest one, he noticed a little
chest pain, which was slightly worse during the marathon itself.
According to my friend, he's one of those stoical types who avoids
doctors, but was finally persuaded to see one a few weeks later.

His appointment was on a Friday afternoon. He had a quintuple bypass
on Monday morning. It was reported that 30% of his heart was dead of
ischemia. He had apparently had a series of heart attacks, and kept
running during and after. He's recovering well from the surgery.

I find this amazing. Was he just lucky that none of the attacks
affected the node that controls the heart rhythm? How can someone be
walking around with 30% of their heart dead? Did he survive because he
had a lot of excess capacity from all that running? Is this something
for the literature, or not all that uncommon? Has my friend garbled
the story?

Probably not. Heart attacks are blockages of arteries that feed the heart.
When heart muscle doesn't get O2 it eventually dies. Your friend had some
major blockages. However, the ennervation of heart muscle doesn't depend
on the arteries. With the blockage the heart muscle is still being
ennervated, but the muscle that is not getting oxygen isn't contracting.

Exercise strengthens muscle, including cardiac muscle. Marathoners are
also adapted to use oxygen efficiently due to the nature of their sport.
So from that perspective your friend's father was well adapted and could
withstand the heart attack better than most. It certainly is possible to
walk around with 30% of the heart dead. But of course that represents a
huge impairment of heart performance.

I think the technical term is hypochondria.

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The father of a friend is a wiry little guy, 68 years old, who runs
half marathons. In preparing for the latest one, he noticed a little
chest pain, which was slightly worse during the marathon itself.
According to my friend, he's one of those stoical types who avoids
doctors, but was finally persuaded to see one a few weeks later.

His appointment was on a Friday afternoon. He had a quintuple bypass
on Monday morning. It was reported that 30% of his heart was dead of
ischemia. He had apparently had a series of heart attacks, and kept
running during and after. He's recovering well from the surgery.

I find this amazing. Was he just lucky that none of the attacks
affected the node that controls the heart rhythm? How can someone be
walking around with 30% of their heart dead? Did he survive because he
had a lot of excess capacity from all that running? Is this something
for the literature, or not all that uncommon? Has my friend garbled
the story?

Absolutely! The big one would've long-ago killed him if not for running.

Here is proof that brain death does not rule out posting to RR.

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Probably not. Heart attacks are blockages of arteries that feed the heart.
When heart muscle doesn't get O2 it eventually dies. Your friend had some
major blockages. However, the ennervation of heart muscle doesn't depend
on the arteries. With the blockage the heart muscle is still being
ennervated, but the muscle that is not getting oxygen isn't contracting.

Exercise strengthens muscle, including cardiac muscle. Marathoners are
also adapted to use oxygen efficiently due to the nature of their sport.
So from that perspective your friend's father was well adapted and could
withstand the heart attack better than most. It certainly is possible to
walk around with 30% of the heart dead. But of course that represents a
huge impairment of heart performance.

Of course stupid (_!_) is not considering that his running made thousands of
new veins in and around his heart, and these are likely what kept him alive.