Diabetes / meat / iron levels

nazi freak. Racist scum. Begone from this newsgroup and go post your
nazi threads on alt.whitenoy

Heh .. heh ..

What .. a fkg .. maroon ,,

That card was attempted long before .. you ..

Actually I think it was the 'antisemitic' .. card ..

But .. the same card .. nonetheless ..

Last bastion of a fkg .. goof ..

Now should I post .. AGAIN .. your .. 'mentors' .. thoughts .. OF ..
the .. Semites .. ?

Heh .. heh .

FO .. creepy .. little .. fk ..

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Notice they mention coffee and milk is good for you.

Annu Rev Public Health. 2005 Apr 21;26:445-467. Related Articles, Books,
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PRIMARY PREVENTION OF DIABETES: What Can Be Done and How Much Can Be
Prevented?

Schulze MB, Hu FB.

Departments of Nutrition1 and Epidemiology,2 Harvard School of Public
Health, Boston, Massachusetts 02115; email: [email hidden] ,
[email hidden] , 3Channing Laboratory, Department of
Medicine, Brigham and Women's Hospital and Harvard Medical School, Boston,
Massachusetts 02115.

Although it is widely believed that type 2 diabetes mellitus is the result
of a complex interplay between genetic and environmental factors, compelling
evidence from epidemiologic studies indicates that the current worldwide
diabetes epidemic is largely due to changes in diet and lifestyle.
Prospective cohort studies and randomized clinical trials have demonstrated
that type 2 diabetes can be prevented largely through moderate diet and
lifestyle modifications. Excess adiposity is the most important risk factor
for diabetes, and thus, maintaining a healthy body weight and avoiding
weight gain during adulthood is the cornerstone of diabetes prevention.
Increasing physical activity and reducing sedentary behaviors such as
prolonged TV watching are important both for maintaining body weight and
improving insulin sensitivity. There is increasing evidence that the quality
of fat and carbohydrate plays a more important role than does the quantity,
and thus, public health strategies should emphasize replacing saturated and
trans fats with unsaturated fats and replacing refined grain products with
whole grains. Recent studies have also suggested a potential role for
coffee, dairy, nuts, magnesium, and calcium in preventing diabetes. Overall,
a healthy diet, together with regular physical activity, maintenance of a
healthy weight, moderate alcohol consumption, and avoidance of sedentary
behaviors and smoking, could nearly eliminate type 2 diabetes. However,
there is still a wide gap between what we know and what we practice in the
field of public health; how to narrow that gap remains a major public health
challenge.

PMID: 15760297 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

"However,
there is still a wide gap between what we know and what we practice in
the
field of public health; how to narrow that gap remains a major public
health
challenge."

!Hell Yes!

!GO to HELL!

Kindly refrain from postinf OFF topic .. which is MEAT = elevated iron
... levels ..

Do you .. u-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d ..HOW .. research is .. conducted .. ?

You don't all of a sudden begin to study something .. ELSE .. when ..
you are concentrating ON .. one .. marker ..

Or .. are you braindead ..?

The thread in case you actually WISH to understand ... is .. increased
meat consumption .. parallels the rise in iron levels .. which has the
researchers hypothesising the rise in iron levels is DUE TO the
INCREASED .. consumption .. OF .. meat .. / heme iron.

So since we NOW know .. researchers are hypothesising the link between
iron levels and DIABETES is .. VERY STRONG .. and as the articles ..
CLEARLY .. show .. the PREVALENCE of diabetes .. IN .. the Uummannaq
.... is CLEARLY .. also .. higher ..

The findings OF .. a 'surprise' .. in light of the NEWEST ..
information .. CLEARLY .. shows .. iron levels PREDICTED the diabetes
in the Uummannaq .. even though .. the researchers .. didn't ..

Heh .. heh ..

That would mean .. iron .. PREDICTED .. the diabetes ..

Now .. seeing the post you just made .. one might think you are
attempting AGAIN .. to detract .. FROM .. a cause of diabetes ..

Eyesight losing , digit losing .. life losing .. diabetes ..

Eh ..

Heh .. heh ..

Post .. your attempted distractions .. some .. more ..

Heh .. heh ..

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Robert said:

Notice they mention coffee and milk is good for you.

No, that isn't what it says. It says "Recent studies...suggested a
POTENTIAL ROLE for coffee, dairy, nuts, magnesium, and calcium in
preventing DIABETES." It does not say "milk is good for you," nor that
foods providing potential risk reduction for one disease might not
*increase* the risk of another. For example, from "Milk and Other
Dietary Influences on Coronary Heart Disease" by William B. Grant,
Ph.D.:

"...ecological statistical results...present strong evidence for
dietary non-fat milk playing an important role in the etiology of heart
disease.30,32-34 A number of animal studies have also shown milk to be
atherosclerotic.11,12 The author is not aware of any studies showing
that non-fat milk or milk carbohydrates are not strongly associated
with heart disease, most likely because milk is generally not
considered a risk factor for heart disease, and, therefore, is not
studied in conjunction with heart disease. A number of putative
mechanisms have been identified that could make the link between
non-fat milk consumption and heart disease, with unopposed Hcy
(homocystein)production being most prominent among them. The fact that
heart disease mortality rates remain high despite years of claiming
that cholesterol is the primary risk factor for heart disease resulting
in subsequent dietary reductions of fat and cholesterol in the general
population, supports the idea that heart disease is not adequately
understood by the medical system."

11. Kritchevsky D. Diet and atherosclerosis. Am J Pathol
1976;84:615-632.

12. Kritchevsky D. Dietary protein, cholesterol and atherosclerosis: A
review of the early history. J Nutr 1995;125:589S-593S.

30. Armstrong BK, Mann JI, Adelstein AM, Eskin F. Commodity consumption
and ischemic heart disease mortality, with special reference to dietary
practices. J Chron Dis 1975;28:455-469.

32. Seely S. Diet and coronary disease: A survey of mortality rates and
food consumption statistics of 24 countries. Med Hypoth 1981;7:907-918.

34. Seely S. Diet and coronary arterial disease: a statistical study.
Int J Cardiol 1988;20:183-192.

So the question becomes, "What does it *means* for something to be
'good for me?'"

There is a demonstrated link with risk of diabetes and red meat, but
not other animal sources of protein. Total iron is not related
either, which leads one to consider that something in red meats is
related to a higher risk. The higher saturated fat levels is one such
possibility as other research shows a similar link with it and risk of
diabetes. Consider:

"Dietary iron intake and blood donations in relation to risk of type 2
diabetes"

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/79/1/70

Conclusions: Heme-iron intake from red meat sources is positively
associated with the risk of type 2 diabetes. Total iron intake,
heme-iron intake from non-red meat sources, and blood donations are
not related to the risk of type 2 diabetes.

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Kindly refrain from postinf OFF topic .. which is MEAT = elevated iron
... levels ..

Do you .. u-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d ..HOW .. research is .. conducted .. ?

Yes. All research is preliminary until more research confirm initial
findings. Don't you understand that?
Medicine is applied science. It deals with what is and what what could be or
should be. It deals with solid evidence and not inferences.
The article I posted shows the state of diabetes interventions and it does
not mention iron. Understand.
I guess not not.

You don't all of a sudden begin to study something .. ELSE .. when ..
you are concentrating ON .. one .. marker ..

It is not a marker. It is nothing. Nothing has been proven yet. Those are
all hypothesis. You already take it as proof.

Or .. are you braindead ..?

The thread in case you actually WISH to understand ... is .. increased
meat consumption .. parallels the rise in iron levels .. which has the
researchers hypothesising the rise in iron levels is DUE TO the
INCREASED .. consumption .. OF .. meat .. / heme iron.

AND? You can have all the hypothesis in the world and they are still not a
hypothesis is an UNPROVEN thought.
They are a dime a dozen.
Children don't even like meat. They don't and have not all of a sudden eaten
more meat causing the epidemic of type two diabetes.
Let me repeat children now are getting at a younger age type 2 diabetes and
it is not related to iron. Iron deficiency anemia is very common in
children. The IQ or how smart they are is affected by iron levels so that is
important to get them to eat meat.
They don't like meat and thus have low iron levels. Not a good thing.

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Robert said:

Notice they mention coffee and milk is good for you.

No, that isn't what it says. It says "Recent studies...suggested a
POTENTIAL ROLE for coffee, dairy, nuts, magnesium, and calcium in
preventing DIABETES." It does not say "milk is good for you," nor that
foods providing potential risk reduction for one disease might not
*increase* the risk of another. For example, from "Milk and Other
Dietary Influences on Coronary Heart Disease" by William B. Grant,
Ph.D.:

So what you are saying is that milk is not dairy? Where in the article does
it say that?
Granted you think otherwise and supply other evidence but where does it say
that in that article?

Robert said:

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Robert said:

Notice they mention coffee and milk is good for you.

No, that isn't what it says. It says "Recent studies...suggested a
POTENTIAL ROLE for coffee, dairy, nuts, magnesium, and calcium in
preventing DIABETES." It does not say "milk is good for you," nor

that

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foods providing potential risk reduction for one disease might not
*increase* the risk of another. For example, from "Milk and Other
Dietary Influences on Coronary Heart Disease" by William B. Grant,
Ph.D.:

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So what you are saying is that milk is not dairy?
Where in the article does it say that?

Milk is dairy. But the article does not say "milk is good for you" as
you claim. Or coffee, either.

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Granted you think otherwise and supply other evidence but where does

it say

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that in that article?

The reference had nothing to do with whether or not milk is dairy. It
discussed milk as a contributing factor in heart disease.

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Robert said:

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Robert wrote:
> Notice they mention coffee and milk is good for you.

No, that isn't what it says. It says "Recent studies...suggested a
POTENTIAL ROLE for coffee, dairy, nuts, magnesium, and calcium in
preventing DIABETES." It does not say "milk is good for you," nor

that

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foods providing potential risk reduction for one disease might not
*increase* the risk of another. For example, from "Milk and Other
Dietary Influences on Coronary Heart Disease" by William B. Grant,
Ph.D.:

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So what you are saying is that milk is not dairy?
Where in the article does it say that?

Milk is dairy. But the article does not say "milk is good for you" as
you claim. Or coffee, either

I stand corrected. The article says "Recent studies have also suggested a
potential role for coffee, dairy, nuts, magnesium, and calcium in preventing
diabetes."
I am to interpret that within the context of the article as meaning that
milk is bad for you.
Thanks for the correction.

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Granted you think otherwise and supply other evidence but where does

it say

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that in that article?

The reference had nothing to do with whether or not milk is dairy. It
discussed milk as a contributing factor in heart disease.

The topic was diabetes/meat/ iron levels, followed by things that may
contribute or lessen diabetes. Your topic is milk and heart disease, go for
it. The meditterean diet includes dairy.

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Soooooo... what you are saying .. is .. Greenlanders .. in small ..

villages .. eat lots of red .. meat ..

Eh ..

Well we should actually have a look at what .. Greenlanders .. eat ..

Eh ..

That would be .. fish .. and seal .. and whale .. and .. hmmm ..

YOU .. tell .. ME ..

Since you seem to think the Greenlanders eat alot of .. RED .. meat ..

What KIND of .. red .. meat .. WOULD .. they BE .. eating ..?

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That would mean .. iron .. PREDICTED .. the diabetes <<

You .. disagree with the above .. statement ..?

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Robert said:

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Robert said:

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> Robert wrote:
> > Notice they mention coffee and milk is good for you.
>
> No, that isn't what it says. It says "Recent

studies...suggested a

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> POTENTIAL ROLE for coffee, dairy, nuts, magnesium, and calcium

in

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> preventing DIABETES." It does not say "milk is good for you,"

nor

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that

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> foods providing potential risk reduction for one disease might

not

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> *increase* the risk of another. For example, from "Milk and

Other

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> Dietary Influences on Coronary Heart Disease" by William B.

Grant,

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> Ph.D.:

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So what you are saying is that milk is not dairy?
Where in the article does it say that?

Milk is dairy. But the article does not say "milk is good for you"

as

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you claim. Or coffee, either

I stand corrected. The article says "Recent studies have also

suggested a

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potential role for coffee, dairy, nuts, magnesium, and calcium in

preventing

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diabetes."
I am to interpret that within the context of the article as meaning

that

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milk is bad for you.
Thanks for the correction.

The point is that you "interpreted" an ambiguous study comment at all.
There is nothing to interpret. A legitimate paraphrase of the comment
would perhaps be that "milk appears to have potential health benefits,
at least with respect to diabetes." It's factually wrong to say the
study "mentions" that "milk" is "good for you." It's worse than a
generalization. For one, diary is not just milk. Probiotic dairy is
world's apart from uncultured dairy, and european's (if you want to
talk about *their* diets) are far more inclined to it. Nor was this
the focus of the study, so your conjecture is baseless.

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Granted you think otherwise and supply other evidence but where

does

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it say

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that in that article?

The reference had nothing to do with whether or not milk is dairy.

It

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discussed milk as a contributing factor in heart disease.

The topic was diabetes/meat/ iron levels, followed by things that may
contribute or lessen diabetes. Your topic is milk and heart disease,

go for

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it. The meditterean diet includes dairy.

Dairy is a big subject. It's not just milk

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That would mean .. iron .. PREDICTED .. the diabetes <<

You .. disagree with the above .. statement ..?
It is a hypothesis not a statement of fact.
Childhood diabetes has increased dramatically in recent years and you are
saying that iron is the reason? They are eating more meat and getting
diabetes right?
What is your explanation of more children getting diabetes earlier with type
2 than their parents?

Am J Orthopsychiatry. 2002 Apr;72(2):182-93. Related Articles, Books,
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Nutrition and brain development: social policy implications.

Tanner EM, Finn-Stevenson M.

Department of Social Policy and Social Work and Nuffield College, University
of Oxford, Oxford, England.

Undernutrition among young children is widespread in the United States and
has a detrimental impact on brain development. This article explores the
risks associated with undernutrition and the potential for recovery when
diet and the environment improve. Three policy implications are discussed:
(a) increasing access to federal food programs, (b) promoting breastfeeding,
and (c) working toward reducing child poverty.

PMID: 15792058 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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That would mean .. iron .. PREDICTED .. the diabetes <<
You .. disagree with the above .. statement <<

I asked you a simple .. question ..

Answer it ..

The iron LEVELS .. predicted .. the diabetes .. WHEREAS .. the
researchers .. DIDN'T ..

Yes or .. no ..

Pretty .. simple ..

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Robert said:

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Robert wrote:
> "PeterB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >
> > Robert wrote:
> > > Notice they mention coffee and milk is good for you.
> >
> > No, that isn't what it says. It says "Recent

studies...suggested a

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> > POTENTIAL ROLE for coffee, dairy, nuts, magnesium, and calcium

in

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> > preventing DIABETES." It does not say "milk is good for you,"

nor

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that
> > foods providing potential risk reduction for one disease might

not

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> > *increase* the risk of another. For example, from "Milk and

Other

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> > Dietary Influences on Coronary Heart Disease" by William B.

Grant,

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> > Ph.D.:

> So what you are saying is that milk is not dairy?
> Where in the article does it say that?

Milk is dairy. But the article does not say "milk is good for you"

as

Quoted message said:

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you claim. Or coffee, either

I stand corrected. The article says "Recent studies have also

suggested a

Quoted message said:

potential role for coffee, dairy, nuts, magnesium, and calcium in

preventing

Quoted message said:

diabetes."
I am to interpret that within the context of the article as meaning

that

Quoted message said:

milk is bad for you.
Thanks for the correction.

The point is that you "interpreted" an ambiguous study comment at all.
There is nothing to interpret. A legitimate paraphrase of the comment
would perhaps be that "milk appears to have potential health benefits,
at least with respect to diabetes." It's factually wrong to say the
study "mentions" that "milk" is "good for you." It's worse than a
generalization. For one, diary is not just milk. Probiotic dairy is
world's apart from uncultured dairy, and european's (if you want to
talk about *their* diets) are far more inclined to it. Nor was this
the focus of the study, so your conjecture is baseless.

So the article I cited mentioned probiotic dairy and uncultured dairy and
not just dairy that included milk?
Thanks for bringing that up and maybe you should write the author of that
article and tell him not to mention "dairy" but all the various components
and don't forget to mention that you don't agree with his statements and he
should rewrite them.
I guess nobody reads the research articles for accuracy before publication.
You might want to volunteer your skills.
How many articles have you published by the way?
Yes probiotic dairy is worlds apart and look at this article about it.
"Probiotic dairy products lack scientific support
The study added that this is essential given recent publications suggesting
that commercial probiotic products do not comply with label claims, though
agrees that this is not the case for the whole industry and notes that
placebo-controlled, randomised studies have been carried out with
"well-defined and well-described products.
Useful information would include third party verification of stated levels
and types of viable probiotics until the end of the product shelf life,"
added the scientists.

Accurate labelling of the content of a probiotic product is, obviously,
essential, but many studies have found the actual delivery of probiotic
bacteria does not match the content claim information on their labels."
One piece of research cited to back up this claim was that by Huff and
published in the Canadian Family Physician (50:583-587), which stated that
none of ten Lactobacillus products purchased in lower British Columbia,
Canada, met label claims when looked at using streak plating from growth on
blood agar."

http://www.dairyreporter.com/productnews/news.asp?id=55986

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> Granted you think otherwise and supply other evidence but where

does

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it say
> that in that article?

The reference had nothing to do with whether or not milk is dairy.

It

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discussed milk as a contributing factor in heart disease.

The topic was diabetes/meat/ iron levels, followed by things that may
contribute or lessen diabetes. Your topic is milk and heart disease,

go for

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it. The meditterean diet includes dairy.

Dairy is a big subject. It's not just milk

Is beef dairy? I would imagine that milk and its derivatives like cheese is
a big part of dairy but then I am not a farmer.
Thanks for the big distinction.

Robert said:

"PeterB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Robert said:

"PeterB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> Robert wrote:
> > "PeterB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > Robert wrote:
> > > > Notice they mention coffee and milk is good for you.
> > >
> > > No, that isn't what it says. It says "Recent

studies...suggested a

Quoted message said:

> > > POTENTIAL ROLE for coffee, dairy, nuts, magnesium, and

calcium

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in

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> > > preventing DIABETES." It does not say "milk is good for

you,"

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nor

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> that
> > > foods providing potential risk reduction for one disease

might

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not

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> > > *increase* the risk of another. For example, from "Milk

and

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Other

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> > > Dietary Influences on Coronary Heart Disease" by William B.

Grant,

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> > > Ph.D.:
>
> > So what you are saying is that milk is not dairy?
> > Where in the article does it say that?
>
> Milk is dairy. But the article does not say "milk is good for

you"

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as

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> you claim. Or coffee, either
I stand corrected. The article says "Recent studies have also

suggested a

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potential role for coffee, dairy, nuts, magnesium, and calcium in

preventing

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diabetes."
I am to interpret that within the context of the article as

meaning

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that

Quoted message said:

milk is bad for you.
Thanks for the correction.

The point is that you "interpreted" an ambiguous study comment at

all.

Quoted message said:

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There is nothing to interpret. A legitimate paraphrase of the

comment

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would perhaps be that "milk appears to have potential health

benefits,

Quoted message said:

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at least with respect to diabetes." It's factually wrong to say

the

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study "mentions" that "milk" is "good for you." It's worse than a
generalization. For one, diary is not just milk. Probiotic dairy

is

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world's apart from uncultured dairy, and european's (if you want to
talk about *their* diets) are far more inclined to it. Nor was

this

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the focus of the study, so your conjecture is baseless.

Quoted message said:

So the article I cited mentioned probiotic dairy and uncultured dairy

and

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not just dairy that included milk?
Thanks for bringing that up and maybe you should write the author of

that

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article and tell him not to mention "dairy" but all the various

components

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and don't forget to mention that you don't agree with his statements

and he

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should rewrite them.

If you want to swing from your rope proclaiming that milk is "good for
you," knock yourself out. But don't pretend that a tangential comment
in a study whose focus was diabetes supports your viewpoint. Rather,
find a study that does support what you think or say.

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I guess nobody reads the research articles for accuracy before

publication.

In this case, it's the inaccuracy of a reader *after* publication.

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You might want to volunteer your skills.
How many articles have you published by the way?
Yes probiotic dairy is worlds apart and look at this article about

it.

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"Probiotic dairy products lack scientific support
The study added that this is essential given recent publications

suggesting

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that commercial probiotic products do not comply with label claims,

though

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agrees that this is not the case for the whole industry and notes

that

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placebo-controlled, randomised studies have been carried out with
"well-defined and well-described products.
Useful information would include third party verification of stated

levels

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and types of viable probiotics until the end of the product shelf

life,"

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added the scientists.

Accurate labelling of the content of a probiotic product is,

obviously,

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essential, but many studies have found the actual delivery of

probiotic

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bacteria does not match the content claim information on their

labels."

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One piece of research cited to back up this claim was that by Huff

and

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published in the Canadian Family Physician (50:583-587), which stated

that

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none of ten Lactobacillus products purchased in lower British

Columbia,

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Canada, met label claims when looked at using streak plating from

growth on

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blood agar."

You probably have a point, but based on your irrational handling of the
original material, why would I care?

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http://www.dairyreporter.com/productnews/news.asp?id=55986

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> > Granted you think otherwise and supply other evidence but

where

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does

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> it say
> > that in that article?
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> The reference had nothing to do with whether or not milk is

dairy.

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It

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> discussed milk as a contributing factor in heart disease.
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The topic was diabetes/meat/ iron levels, followed by things that

may

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contribute or lessen diabetes. Your topic is milk and heart

disease,

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go for

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it. The meditterean diet includes dairy.

Dairy is a big subject. It's not just milk

Is beef dairy? I would imagine that milk and its derivatives like

cheese is

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a big part of dairy but then I am not a farmer.
Thanks for the big distinction.

Distinctions are what science is all about. Making stuff up is what
little kids do.