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  1. Marie Maly said:

    "hemyd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


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    Hi Henry.


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    However, too many times it just seems that relaying whatever is the cause of the misery just opens
    a flood gate, and the one turned to for comfort or support uses the opportunity to vent(?) an old
    or ongoing painful experience of their own.

    Marie, Caretaker


    I'm a newbie to the newsgroup, and I've read several of the posts, but I like this one the best.
    Like others, I've been depressed for years and thought to myself, "I've got a lot to be thankful
    for, what excuse do I have for being depressed?" It didn't help.

    I'm a bit surprised no one mentioned the prevalence of depression in diabetics, or maybe I missed
    it. I base this conclusion on what my counselor say and on searching the web. One place which seems
    related is:

    nimh.nih.govdepdiabetes.cfm

    Maybe it has something to do with keeping bs level. I know that HA1C around 5 or 6 (?) is the
    standard, but this could be achieved with with fairly (although not widely )fluctuating bs's. Maybe
    the depression is somehow related to widely or fairly widely fluctuating bs's. I know I get down
    when my bs is low. When I was diagnosed, sometimes during a reaction, I got giddy. It seems
    reasonable that bs would have some effect on mood. Anybody heard any science on this?

  2. G'day Marie,

    I hope I am not accused of venting my own misery onto anyone. I was simply narrating the things that
    depressed me initially on dignosis, and how to refute them. The intial poster will invariably come
    upon all sorts of comments and statistics that will make him think that "all is lost". Given a
    little reasoning time, he will be able to rationalise that many of those comments and statistics do
    not apply to him - definitely not if he knuckles down and manages his disease as he has surely
    started. One of the threads in this newsgroup (I think I read it within days of being diagnosed)
    referred to an "average life span" of a type II diabetic. It really truly depressed me big time. Woe
    is me, I thought - I only have so much time to live, I thought, I'll lose my toes, my kidneys, I'll
    go blind, etc. etc. Like the original poster, I though of chucking it in. But then I rationalised -
    that so-called "average lifespan" refers to any Type II diabetic, ranging from a 40 year old whose
    HbA1c is (as in the case of the original poster) below 6, who is fit and who has modified his
    lifestyle, right through to most diabetics I know who gain weight, indulge, don't excercise, living
    in blissful ignorance of what can happen to them. And then there are the 80 year olds with diabetes
    - are they part of that "average"?

    In my case I needed the shock treatment I got from this newsgroup. It provided the necessary
    motivation for me.

    Actually, you are probably not accusing me of promoting my misery, but on these "well meaning"
    family and friends. yes, that has always baffled me. In my early days after diagnosis, I was
    submerged in tales of dead diabetic relatives and lost toes and feet. It made me feel r-e-a-l good!
    But then there were a few people - usually people I hardly knew - who would pass on the story of
    Aunt this or Uncle that, who had diabetes for 40 years or more, and who lived to a ripe old age,
    with no complications at all, eventually dying for unrelated reasons. These reports would give me
    one big boost! Yes, there are these "friends" who, when you say you bought something, will tell you
    you could have purchased it cheaper somewhere else; if you sold something, you could have got more
    for it.... etc. etc. You sometimes need to reassess who your real friends are. Times of crisis
    usually make that apparent.....

    Henry

    "Marie Maly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qZaRb.6$EW.1@okepread02...

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    "hemyd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    When I was diagnosed I felt like that myslef. My answer to you is to use your depression to
    motivate you to attack this disease with everything you've got at your disposal. Modify your
    lifestyle. Diet. Excercise.


    More

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    excercise. Keep on monitoring your vitals - eyes, HbA1c, kidneys,


    lipids,

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    feet, etc. There are few diseases where you have as much control over


    the

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    outcome as you have with diabetes. As in my case, many people here have reported that since
    making life changes - losing weight, excercising,


    etc,

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    they've been fitter and healthier than ever before.

    Sadly, you'll have all sorts of "friends" and family give you narratives


    of

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    diabetics losing their toes and dying of all sorts of things. Well,


    that's

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    friends for you! Laugh at them. Keep your HbA1c low, and you'll probably outlive them all.

    Keep on reading and posting in this newsgroup. Learn as much as you can about your disease.

    Henry

    Hi Henry.

    You touched on somethig that has always baffled me......

    Some folks just don't seem able to resist telling a person who is in


    misery

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    about things even more miserable.

    I suppose it could be chalked up to "things could be worse" or "if you


    don't

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    get a handle on things this could be you."

    However, too many times it just seems that relaying whatever is the cause


    of

    Quoted message said:

    the misery just opens a flood gate, and the one turned to for comfort or support uses the
    opportunity to vent(?) an old or ongoing painful


    experience

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    of their own.

    Marie, Caretaker Mom T2

  3. "hemyd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    G'day Marie,

    I hope I am not accused of venting my own misery onto anyone. I was simply narrating the things
    that depressed me initially on dignosis, and how to refute them. The intial poster will invariably
    come upon all sorts of comments and statistics that will make him think that "all is lost". Given


    a

    Quoted message said:

    little reasoning time, he will be able to rationalise that many of those comments and statistics
    do not apply to him - definitely not if he


    knuckles

    Quoted message said:

    down and manages his disease as he has surely started. One of the threads


    in

    Quoted message said:

    this newsgroup (I think I read it within days of being diagnosed) referred to an "average life
    span" of a type II diabetic. It really truly depressed me big time. Woe is me, I thought - I only
    have so much time to live, I thought, I'll lose my toes, my kidneys, I'll go blind, etc. etc. Like
    the original poster, I though of chucking it in. But then I rationalised -


    that

    Quoted message said:

    so-called "average lifespan" refers to any Type II diabetic, ranging from


    a

    Quoted message said:

    40 year old whose HbA1c is (as in the case of the original poster) below


    6,

    Quoted message said:

    who is fit and who has modified his lifestyle, right through to most diabetics I know who gain
    weight, indulge, don't excercise, living in blissful ignorance of what can happen to them. And
    then there are the 80 year olds with diabetes - are they part of that "average"?

    In my case I needed the shock treatment I got from this newsgroup. It provided the necessary
    motivation for me.

    Actually, you are probably not accusing me of promoting my misery, but on these "well meaning"
    family and friends. yes, that has always baffled me.


    In

    Quoted message said:

    my early days after diagnosis, I was submerged in tales of dead diabetic relatives and lost toes
    and feet. It made me feel r-e-a-l good! But then there were a few people - usually people I hardly
    knew - who would pass on the story of Aunt this or Uncle that, who had diabetes for 40 years or


    more,

    Quoted message said:

    and who lived to a ripe old age, with no complications at all, eventually dying for unrelated
    reasons. These reports would give me one big boost!


    Yes,

    Quoted message said:

    there are these "friends" who, when you say you bought something, will


    tell

    Quoted message said:

    you you could have purchased it cheaper somewhere else; if you sold something, you could have got
    more for it.... etc. etc. You sometimes need to reassess who your real friends are. Times of
    crisis usually make that apparent.....

    Henry

    Hi Henry.

    Reading your first paragraph I began composing an appology in my head........

    By the time I got to the end of your post, I realized that you did indeed know where I was coming
    from...and had done a much better job of distinguishing honest information (that isn't necessarily
    cheerful) from the pissing contest some folks can't seem to resist attempting to engage in.

    I agree that sometimes you have to reassess who your real friends are..,especially in times
    of crisis.

    But what about family?

    Well, I guess that everybody has at least one family member that experience has taught us that they
    will only promote misery.

    I have an aunt who upon hearing of anyone's misery not matter how small or big and terrible responds
    with "That's nothing, let me tell you about......."

    If the "misery promotor" brings up the subject in casual conversation because they have heard it
    through the lightening fast family grape vine, I just tell them it isn't anything I want to talk
    about. If they are willing (able?) to take the hint, that is fine. If they continue to attempt a
    conversation about the subject, I excuse myself from the conversation as politely as possible.

    Yes, there are some wounded feelings from time to time. In some cases it is just unavoidable.

    Marie, Caretaker Mom T2

  4. Here are some articles that you may find helpful.

    Attitude is Everything! diabeticgourmet.com109.shtml

    Depression Worsens Outcome in Diabetes diabeticgourmet.com262.shtml

    Diabetes and Psychosocial Problems diabeticgourmet.com9.shtml

    Also, please join us at the Type 2 Diabetes forum at the Diabetic Gourmet Magazine for lively
    discussion by people that are feeling very much like you are and may be experiencing the same
    issues. It really helps to talk about these things.

    diabeticgourmet.comtype2

    Cheer up,

    Stella

    "ojatt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    Hi. I was diagnosed with type 2 in Jun 03. Did a Hba1C in Sept - 6.9. Did another recently last
    week - 5.4. I am not on meds but on diet only. I should be happy with my recent test, but it seems
    some people I know around me have passed on due to complications related with diabetes. I have a
    bad feeling that I could go the same way as they do. I am 39. Some say that I have still many
    years to live. But, I don't want


    to

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    spend years suffering a slow painful death. I don't want to be a burden. Sometimes I feel my
    efforts is pointless. Maybe its better to just end it


    as

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    soon as possible. I have never felt like this in my life. Its no use to carry on.

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