Dentists and OBs...

"Todd Gastaldo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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DENTISTS AND OBs... See the very end of this post.

ASSUMING root canals cause cavitations and cavitations
cause symptoms...

COULD MEGADOSE VIT C HELP RELIEVE SYMPTOMS CAUSED BY ROOT
CANALS/JAWBONE CAVITATIONS (different from cavities)?

Dr. Andrew Saul says:

"I know of no true option to a necessary root canal."
doctoryourself.comv3n2.txtOpen ↗

When determining whether a root canal is necessary...

Maybe dentists should start talking about jawbone
cavitations?

Susan Stockton, MA says:

"Root canals will unquestionably cause cavitations sooner
or later..."
healthcarealternatives.netJBcavitations.htmOpen ↗

JAWBONE CAVITATIONS (different from cavities)...

"Dead and dying teeth should not remain in the jaw, even
if they are

causing

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no acute distress to the patient. If CAVITAT (tm) scan of
the jawbone

shows

Quoted message said:

pronounced necrosis under a 'vital' tooth, please
entertain the

possibility

Quoted message said:

that the tooth only appears to be vital, and is, in fact,
dying...For the chronic cavitation patient, extraction may
be both the beginning and end

of

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his or her health problems. The improperly done extraction
(usually of a wisdom tooth) is frequently the beginning of
a problem which may go undetected for decades, and then
only be resolved by the proper extraction of some, or
possibly all, of the remaining teeth, along with removal
of necrotic bone from edentulous areas [areas where teeth
have been

extracted]

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and aggressive systemic detoxification. Prevention and
early detection

are

Quoted message said:

the keys to avoiding this outcome. Improved imaging
capabilities [with the CAVITAT (tm)] give us the tool for
such early intervention.. The first

step

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in solving the problem, however, is awareness of it. You
have taken that step and are urged to take the next one.
Doctors: Learn to recognize jawbone cavitations and to
either treat them surgically, or refer your patient to

a

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qualified cavitation surgeon for treatment. Patients: Seek
out a dentist familiar with jawbone pathology: It may be
the unsuspected cause of your systemic problems." --Susan
Stockton, MA, author of Beyond Amalgam
healthcarealternatives.netJBcavitations.htmOpen ↗

Susan's advice is obviously RADICAL - but it makes
sense to me.

One definition of the word radical is "arising from or
going to a root or source."

Again quoting Susan on root canals:

"Root canals will unquestionably cause cavitations sooner
or later..."
healthcarealternatives.netJBcavitations.htmOpen ↗

To order Susan's book, go to:
healthcarealternatives.netbooks.htmlOpen ↗

Megadose Vit C relieved cured relieved periodontal
disease?

Laura Lee Radio Show...transcript excerpt...

Also cavitation is a new term you're going to learn
tonight and that is

the

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space left in the jawbone when a tooth is extracted. If an
infected tooth

or

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simply a wisdom tooth that needs to come out to make
space, problems can arise with dead tissue in the jawbone
and you're going to learn tonight

what

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you can do about these conditions. We have with us Dr.
George Meinig, the author of Root Canal Cover-Up.

Martin: Hello, Laura Lee. Yeah this is kind of a personal
topic for me, about 15 years ago I heard a report from the
University of Texas Medical School at Waco. They had a 6ve-
year study where they demonstrated that

1,000

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milligrams of vitamin C per day would prevent periodontal

disease...[A]fter

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that I was diagnosed by my dentist...with pretty serious
periodontal disease...I immediately started taking 15,000
mg per day for the next four months. He x-rayed my teeth
at the end of the third month and he said "You know
something's happening here, the number of pockets you
have and the

size

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of those pockets is rapidly diminishing" 90 he wanted to
re-X-ray just to verify this, so he did and it showed that
some of the smaller pockets had completely gone away and
the larger pockets were reduced by less than half their
previous size only three months before...And he was amazed
and he asked me what I had been doing, and I said I had
simply been taking 15,000 mg of vitamin C every day -
5,000 with each meal. And other than that I hadn't changed
my diet or done anything else. Does your guest have any
experience using vitamin C for therapy?

Laura Lee: Well, they are looking into nutrition and the
impact it has on health overall. Dr. Meinig...

Dr. Meinig: Well a third of my practice is actually
periodontal disease.

You

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said that I was a specialist in endodontics but I
preferred to do all of dentistry and about a third of
practice was periodontal disease. I never

had

Quoted message said:

any patient do 15,000 mg of vitamin C, I got many of them
on vitamin C,

but

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not that much, and your discovery is a very interesting
one and I'm going

to

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advise a few people to try that and let's see what happens
with them. I can't say that I've had experience to that
extent with anybody.
mercola.comcavitations.htmOpen ↗

I copied the following from a NG discussion - possibly from
this NG - about a year or two ago. Seems that 250 mg of
vitamin C per day saturates the body and the rest is
eliminated, according to this research. More research could
be needed though.

Enjoy!

RF

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Recently Dr Weil reported some research which indicated
that the human body can utilize no more than about 250 mg
of vitamin C per day. Anyone know any more about this?

This is true. Linus Pauling was wrong in naively believing
that only when you got diarrhoea was the body getting enough
vitamin C..

This is what Weil is referring to ---

New insights into the physiology and pharmacology of
vitamin C Sebastian J. Padayatty, Mark Levine CMAJ 2001;164(3):353-
5 [PDF]

(Note that the circulating white blood cells are saturated
with ascorbic acid at an intake of just 100 mgm per day.)

Quote--

When given orally, ascorbic acid is well absorbed at lower
doses, but absorption decreases as the dose increases. Thus,
median bioavailability following an oral dose is 87% for 30
mg, 80% for 100 mg, 72% for 200 mg and 63% for 500 mg. Less
than 50% of a 1250-mg dose is absorbed, and most of the
absorbed dose is excreted in the urine. Ascorbic acid is not
protein bound, so it is filtered and reabsorbed by the
kidneys in healthy subjects but is lost in patients who have
been hemodialyzed. Ascorbic acid begins to appear in urine
at doses above 100
mg/day, corresponding to a plasma concentration of about 60
µmol/L, at which point plasma is 70% saturated and
circulating white blood cells are fully saturated.
Decreased bioavailability and renal excretion keep plasma
vitamin C at less than 100 µmol/L, even with an oral dose
of 1000 mg. In men at steady state, a 30-mg daily intake
results in a mean plasma concentration of 9 µmol/L, 60 mg
results in 25 µmol/L, 100 mg in 56 µmol/L and 200 mg in
75 µmol/L. Thus, the dose-concentration relationship is
sigmoidal, with the steep portion of the curve lying
between 30 mg and 100 mg of oral vitamin C daily. Doses
greater than 500 mg daily contribute little to plasma or
tissue stores. Circulating white blood cells contain 10-
30 times the plasma concentrations of vitamin C.

End quote

Peter Moran

It's dogma based on faulty reasoning - see (doses far above
the quoted 250mg do have effects - but why?)
vitamincfoundation.orgbsardi.htmlOpen ↗ Anth

"Red Fox" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:t9utc.13-
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"Todd Gastaldo" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message -"]news:[email hidden]-
thlink.net...

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DENTISTS AND OBs... See the very end of this post.

ASSUMING root canals cause cavitations and cavitations
cause symptoms...

COULD MEGADOSE VIT C HELP RELIEVE SYMPTOMS CAUSED BY
ROOT CANALS/JAWBONE CAVITATIONS (different from
cavities)?

Dr. Andrew Saul says:

"I know of no true option to a necessary root canal."
doctoryourself.comv3n2.txtOpen ↗

When determining whether a root canal is necessary...

Maybe dentists should start talking about jawbone
cavitations?

Susan Stockton, MA says:

"Root canals will unquestionably cause cavitations
sooner or later..."
healthcarealternatives.netJBcavitations.htmOpen ↗

JAWBONE CAVITATIONS (different from cavities)...

"Dead and dying teeth should not remain in the jaw, even
if they are

causing

Quoted message said:

no acute distress to the patient. If CAVITAT (tm) scan
of the jawbone

shows

Quoted message said:

pronounced necrosis under a 'vital' tooth, please
entertain the

possibility

Quoted message said:

that the tooth only appears to be vital, and is, in
fact, dying...For

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

chronic cavitation patient, extraction may be both the
beginning and end

of

Quoted message said:

his or her health problems. The improperly done
extraction (usually of a wisdom tooth) is frequently the
beginning of a problem which may go undetected for
decades, and then only be resolved by the proper

extraction

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

of some, or possibly all, of the remaining teeth, along
with removal of necrotic bone from edentulous areas
[areas where teeth have been

extracted]

Quoted message said:

and aggressive systemic detoxification. Prevention and
early detection

are

Quoted message said:

the keys to avoiding this outcome. Improved imaging
capabilities [with

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

CAVITAT (tm)] give us the tool for such early
intervention.. The first

step

Quoted message said:

in solving the problem, however, is awareness of it. You
have taken that

step

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and are urged to take the next one. Doctors: Learn to
recognize

jawbone

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

cavitations and to either treat them surgically, or
refer your patient

to

Quoted message said:

a

Quoted message said:

qualified cavitation surgeon for treatment. Patients:
Seek out a

dentist

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

familiar with jawbone pathology: It may be the
unsuspected cause of

your

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

systemic problems." --Susan Stockton, MA, author of
Beyond Amalgam
healthcarealternatives.netJBcavitations.htmOpen ↗

Susan's advice is obviously RADICAL - but it makes sense
to me.

One definition of the word radical is "arising from or
going to a root

or

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

source."

Again quoting Susan on root canals:

"Root canals will unquestionably cause cavitations
sooner or later..."
healthcarealternatives.netJBcavitations.htmOpen ↗

To order Susan's book, go to:
healthcarealternatives.netbooks.htmlOpen ↗

Megadose Vit C relieved cured relieved periodontal
disease?

Laura Lee Radio Show...transcript excerpt...

Also cavitation is a new term you're going to learn
tonight and that is

the

Quoted message said:

space left in the jawbone when a tooth is extracted. If
an infected

tooth

Quoted message said:

or

Quoted message said:

simply a wisdom tooth that needs to come out to make
space, problems can arise with dead tissue in the
jawbone and you're going to learn tonight

what

Quoted message said:

you can do about these conditions. We have with us Dr.
George Meinig,

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

author of Root Canal Cover-Up.

Martin: Hello, Laura Lee. Yeah this is kind of a
personal topic for me, about 15 years ago I heard a
report from the University of Texas Medical School at
Waco. They had a 6ve-year study where they
demonstrated that

1,000

Quoted message said:

milligrams of vitamin C per day would prevent
periodontal

disease...[A]fter

Quoted message said:

that I was diagnosed by my dentist...with pretty serious
periodontal disease...I immediately started taking
15,000 mg per day for the next

four

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

months. He x-rayed my teeth at the end of the third
month and he said

"You

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

know something's happening here, the number of pockets
you have and the

size

Quoted message said:

of those pockets is rapidly diminishing" 90 he wanted to
re-X-ray just

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

verify this, so he did and it showed that some of the
smaller pockets

had

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

completely gone away and the larger pockets were reduced
by less than

half

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

their previous size only three months before...And he
was amazed and he asked me what I had been doing, and I
said I had simply been taking

15,000

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

mg of vitamin C every day - 5,000 with each meal. And
other than that I hadn't changed my diet or done
anything else. Does your guest have any experience using
vitamin C for therapy?

Laura Lee: Well, they are looking into nutrition and the
impact it has

on

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

health overall. Dr. Meinig...

Dr. Meinig: Well a third of my practice is actually
periodontal disease.

You

Quoted message said:

said that I was a specialist in endodontics but I
preferred to do all of dentistry and about a third of
practice was periodontal disease. I never

had

Quoted message said:

any patient do 15,000 mg of vitamin C, I got many of
them on vitamin C,

but

Quoted message said:

not that much, and your discovery is a very interesting
one and I'm

going

Quoted message said:

to

Quoted message said:

advise a few people to try that and let's see what
happens with them. I can't say that I've had experience
to that extent with anybody.
mercola.comcavitations.htmOpen ↗

I copied the following from a NG discussion - possibly
from this NG -

about

Quoted message said:

a year or two ago. Seems that 250 mg of vitamin C per day
saturates the

body

Quoted message said:

and the rest is eliminated, according to this research.
More research

could

Quoted message said:

be needed though.

Enjoy!

RF

Quoted message said:

Recently Dr Weil reported some research which
indicated that the human body can utilize no more than
about 250 mg of vitamin C per day. Anyone know any
more about this?

This is true. Linus Pauling was wrong in naively believing
that only when you got diarrhoea was the body getting
enough vitamin C..

This is what Weil is referring to ---

New insights into the physiology and pharmacology of
vitamin C Sebastian J. Padayatty, Mark Levine CMAJ 2001;164(3):353-
5 [PDF]

(Note that the circulating white blood cells are saturated
with ascorbic acid at an intake of just 100 mgm per day.)

Quote--

When given orally, ascorbic acid is well absorbed at lower
doses, but absorption decreases as the dose increases.
Thus, median bioavailability following an oral dose is 87%
for 30 mg, 80% for 100 mg, 72% for 200 mg

and

Quoted message said:

63% for 500 mg. Less than 50% of a 1250-mg dose is
absorbed, and most of

the

Quoted message said:

absorbed dose is excreted in the urine. Ascorbic acid is
not protein bound, so it is filtered and reabsorbed by

the

Quoted message said:

kidneys in healthy subjects but is lost in patients who
have been hemodialyzed. Ascorbic acid begins to appear in
urine at doses above 100
mg/day, corresponding to a plasma concentration of about
60 µmol/L, at

which

Quoted message said:

point plasma is 70% saturated and circulating white blood
cells are fully saturated. Decreased

bioavailability

Quoted message said:

and renal excretion keep plasma vitamin C at less than 100
µmol/L, even

with

Quoted message said:

an oral dose of 1000 mg. In men at steady state, a 30-mg
daily intake results in a mean plasma concentration of 9
µmol/L, 60 mg results in 25 µmol/L, 100 mg in 56 µmol/L
and 200 mg in 75 µmol/L. Thus, the dose-concentration
relationship is sigmoidal, with the steep portion of

the

Quoted message said:

curve lying between 30 mg and 100 mg of oral vitamin C
daily. Doses greater than 500 mg daily contribute little
to plasma or tissue stores. Circulating white blood cells
contain 10-30 times the plasma

concentrations

Quoted message said:

of vitamin C.

End quote

Peter Moran

Anti oxidants 'give electrons' and they reduce oxidative
stress which is a sign of disease. The more 'stress' you
have the more vitamin c will be 'used up' and the less you
will urinate out. Animals have been known to increase they
vitamin c synthesis by 100 fold in times of stress. Anth

"Red Fox" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:t9utc.13-
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hon.ch514162.htmlOpen ↗ Anth

Thanks Anth for the inputs. Looks like much more research is
needed in this field.

RF

. "Anth" <llsa_is_a_warthog@acupuncture_for_idiots.com>
wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Anti oxidants 'give electrons' and they reduce oxidative
stress which is a sign of disease. The more 'stress' you
have the more vitamin c will be 'used up' and the

less

Quoted message said:

you will urinate out. Animals have been known to increase
they vitamin c synthesis by 100 fold

in

Quoted message said:

times of stress. Anth

"Red Fox" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:t9utc.-
[email hidden]...