General fitness, health and nutrition · Public discussion

Dental Profession Logic Re: Amalgam

Started by Ta · · Last activity · 83 posts · 3,300 views

Thread navigation

Jump through the discussion

Go to the original post, the replies on this page, or the latest preserved contribution.

Thread details

What we know about this thread

Original section
General fitness, health and nutrition
Published
19 June 2004
Last activity
5 July 2004
Original author
Ta
Posts
83
Discussion status
Public discussion
Total views
3,300
Views / 30 days
0

The navigation and discussion metadata provide context. Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Showing posts 1–20 of 83
Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Text size
  1. We know definitively that a certain percentage of the
    population experiences significant health problems due to
    amalgams. We also know that not everyone - indeed, most
    people - either do not react at all, do not have enough
    amalgam to react, are not genetically predisposed to
    react, or eventually experience illnesses that simply
    cannot definitively be linked to amalgam. It cannot be
    proved beyond any shadow of a doubt that amalgams cause
    this or that, but there is an abundance of evidence (both
    clinical and anecdotal) that amalgam is dangerous in at
    least some people.

    Anti-amalgam position: since there is no way of knowing
    whether individuals will react negatively to amalgam, and
    the health implications are so serious, amalgams should not
    be used at all, especially considering that there are
    suitable alternatives to amalgam. In other words, we should
    err on the side of caution, given that there is, at the very
    least, reasonable doubt. We have a moral obligation not to
    roll the dice with people's health.

    Dental profession position: a) we deny that amalgam is
    dangerous or b) only a small fraction of the population
    reacts negatively to amalgam - too bad for them or c) you
    must prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that amalgam is
    dangerous before we will discontinue its use.

    Analysis:

    Position a) is simply blanket denial in the face of
    overwhelming evidence of the potential dangers of amalgam.

    Position b) is entirely immoral, although this seems to be
    the stand of many dentists, including some who post here.

    Position c) is entirely unreasonable, given that the burden
    of proof must be on the dental industry to show that a known
    poisonous substance is safe beyond all reasonable doubt
    before putting it in people's mouths. There is reasonable
    doubt; therefore, amalgam should not be used.

    Anyone who has honestly researched this issue can come to no
    other conclusion that, at the very least, there is
    reasonable doubt about the safety of amalgam.

  2. ta said:

    We know definitively that a certain percentage of the
    population experiences significant health problems due to
    amalgams. We also know that not everyone - indeed, most
    people - either do not react at all, do not have enough
    amalgam to react, are not genetically predisposed to
    react, or eventually experience illnesses that simply
    cannot definitively be linked to amalgam. It cannot be
    proved beyond any shadow of a doubt that amalgams cause
    this or that, but there is an abundance of evidence (both
    clinical and anecdotal) that amalgam is dangerous in at
    least some people.

    Anti-amalgam position: since there is no way of knowing
    whether individuals will react negatively to amalgam, and
    the health implications are so serious, amalgams should
    not be used at all, especially considering that there are
    suitable alternatives to amalgam.

    What are these? Can you prove that the
    alternatives are safe?

    Steve

    --
    Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS dentaltwins.comdentaltwins.com
    Brooklyn, NY

  3. ta said:

    We know definitively that a certain percentage of the
    population experiences significant health problems due to
    amalgams.

    The same people that believe in pink elephants being a
    problem ......

    Quoted message said:

    We also know that not everyone - indeed, most people -
    either do not react at all, do not have enough amalgam to
    react, are not genetically predisposed to react, or
    eventually experience illnesses that simply cannot
    definitively be linked to amalgam. It cannot be proved
    beyond any shadow of a doubt that amalgams cause this or
    that, but there is an abundance of evidence (both
    clinical and anecdotal) that amalgam is dangerous in at
    least some people.

    Anti-amalgam position: since there is no way of knowing
    whether individuals will react negatively to amalgam, and
    the health implications are so serious, amalgams should not
    be used at all, especially considering that there are
    suitable alternatives to amalgam. In other words, we should
    err on the side of caution, given that there is, at the
    very least, reasonable doubt. We have a moral obligation
    not to roll the dice with people's health.

    Dental profession position: a) we deny that amalgam is
    dangerous or b) only a small fraction of the population
    reacts negatively to amalgam - too bad for them or c) you
    must prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that amalgam is
    dangerous before we will discontinue its use.

    Analysis:

    Position a) is simply blanket denial in the face of
    overwhelming evidence of the potential dangers of amalgam.

    Position b) is entirely immoral, although this seems to be
    the stand of many dentists, including some who post here.

    Position c) is entirely unreasonable, given that the burden
    of proof must be on the dental industry to show that a
    known poisonous substance is safe beyond all reasonable
    doubt before putting it in people's mouths. There is
    reasonable doubt; therefore, amalgam should not be used.

    Anyone who has honestly researched this issue can come to
    no other conclusion that, at the very least, there is
    reasonable doubt about the safety of amalgam.

  4. "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    We know definitively that a certain percentage of the
    population


    experiences

    Quoted message said:

    significant health problems due to amalgams. We also know
    that not everyone - indeed, most people - either do not
    react at all, do not have enough amalgam to react, are not
    genetically predisposed to react, or eventually experience
    illnesses that simply cannot definitively be linked


    to

    Quoted message said:

    amalgam. It cannot be proved beyond any shadow of a doubt
    that amalgams cause this or that, but there is an
    abundance of evidence (both clinical


    and

    Quoted message said:

    anecdotal) that amalgam is dangerous in at least
    some people.

    Anti-amalgam position: since there is no way of
    knowing whether


    individuals

    Quoted message said:

    will react negatively to amalgam, and the health
    implications are so serious, amalgams should not be used
    at all, especially considering that there are suitable
    alternatives to amalgam. In other words, we should err


    on

    Quoted message said:

    the side of caution, given that there is, at the very
    least, reasonable doubt. We have a moral obligation not to
    roll the dice with people's


    health.

    Quoted message said:

    Try substituting the word vaccines for amalgam.

    carabelli

  5. "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    We know definitively that a certain percentage of the
    population


    experiences

    Quoted message said:

    significant health problems due to amalgams.

    What the evidence actually suggests is that if there are any
    ill effects from the levels of mercury exposure possible
    from dental amalgams, they are so far unmeasurable. It also
    suggests that at least most of those claiming to be poisoned
    by dental amalgams have the same kind of psychosomatic
    complaints that have in the past been ascribed to aspartame,
    fluoride, or other temporarily fashionable alt.med "toxins"
    or illnesses du jour.

    So if you want our support in encouraging the dental
    profession to limit amalgam use, which is a marginally
    supportable cause, you should be prepared to support us
    against the rampant quackery that now surrounds dental
    issues. A lot of seriously ill people (like Dave, and cancer
    patients) are being misled into treatments that can only do
    them harm.

    Peter Moran

  6. "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    We know definitively that a certain percentage of the
    population


    experiences

    Quoted message said:

    significant health problems due to amalgams.

    We do? No, "we" dopn't. We do know that many of those people
    claiming to suffer from amalgam disease are really suffering
    from somatic disorders.

    We also know that not

    Quoted message said:

    everyone - indeed, most people - either do not react at
    all, do not have enough amalgam to react, are not
    genetically predisposed to react, or eventually experience
    illnesses that simply cannot definitively be linked


    to

    Quoted message said:

    amalgam. It cannot be proved beyond any shadow of a doubt
    that amalgams cause this or that, but there is an
    abundance of evidence (both clinical


    and

    Quoted message said:

    anecdotal) that amalgam is dangerous in at least
    some people.

    Sure there is. Amalgams cause somatic disorders. Amalgams
    cause larcenous behavior.

    Quoted message said:

    Anti-amalgam position: since there is no way of
    knowing whether


    individuals

    Quoted message said:

    will react negatively to amalgam, and the health
    implications are so serious, amalgams should not be used
    at all, especially considering that there are suitable
    alternatives to amalgam. In other words, we should err


    on

    Quoted message said:

    the side of caution, given that there is, at the very
    least, reasonable doubt. We have a moral obligation not to
    roll the dice with people's


    health.

    Who is the "we" you are yaking about?

    Quoted message said:

    Dental profession position: a) we deny that amalgam is
    dangerous or b)


    only

    Quoted message said:

    a small fraction of the population reacts negatively to
    amalgam - too bad for them or c) you must prove beyond a
    shadow of a doubt that amalgam is dangerous before we will
    discontinue its use.

    Correct, fact based answer: a)

    Quoted message said:

    Analysis:

    Position a) is simply blanket denial in the face of
    overwhelming evidence


    of

    Quoted message said:

    the potential dangers of amalgam.

    Nope, not even close. It is a realization of reality.

    Quoted message said:

    Position b) is entirely immoral, although this seems to be
    the stand of


    many

    Quoted message said:

    dentists, including some who post here.

    Your premise is not supported.

    Quoted message said:

    Position c) is entirely unreasonable, given that the
    burden of proof must


    be

    Quoted message said:

    on the dental industry to show that a known poisonous
    substance is safe beyond all reasonable doubt before
    putting it in people's mouths. There is reasonable doubt;
    therefore, amalgam should not be used.

    Beyond all reasonable doubt? IOW, a standard of proof which
    is impossible. However, so far, there i sno evidence that
    amalgams cause real disease (other than somatic disorders).

    Quoted message said:

    Anyone who has honestly researched this issue can come to
    no other conclusion that, at the very least, there is
    reasonable doubt about the safety of amalgam.

    Actually, anyone who has honestly researched these issues
    knows that you are selling Bunkem.

  7. "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    We know definitively that a certain percentage of the
    population experiences significant health problems due to
    amalgams. We also know that not everyone - indeed, most
    people - either do not react at all, do not have enough
    amalgam to react, are not genetically predisposed to
    react, or eventually experience illnesses that simply
    cannot definitively be linked to amalgam. It cannot be
    proved beyond any shadow of a doubt that amalgams cause
    this or that, but there is an abundance of evidence (both
    clinical and anecdotal) that amalgam is dangerous in at
    least some people.

    Anti-amalgam position: since there is no way of knowing
    whether individuals will react negatively to amalgam, and
    the health implications are so serious, amalgams should
    not be used at all, especially considering that there are
    suitable alternatives to amalgam. In other words, we
    should err on the side of caution, given that there is, at
    the very least, reasonable doubt. We have a moral
    obligation not to roll the dice with people's health.

    Dental profession position: a) we deny that amalgam is
    dangerous or b) only a small fraction of the population
    reacts negatively to amalgam - too bad for them or c) you
    must prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that amalgam is
    dangerous before we will discontinue its use.

    Analysis:

    Position a) is simply blanket denial in the face of
    overwhelming evidence of the potential dangers of amalgam.

    Position b) is entirely immoral, although this seems to be
    the stand of many dentists, including some who post here.

    Position c) is entirely unreasonable, given that the
    burden of proof must be on the dental industry to show
    that a known poisonous substance is safe beyond all
    reasonable doubt before putting it in people's mouths.
    There is reasonable doubt; therefore, amalgam should not
    be used.

    Anyone who has honestly researched this issue can come to
    no other conclusion that, at the very least, there is
    reasonable doubt about the safety of amalgam.

    If position B is inmoral, then every drug used in modern
    medicine must be banned. I don't know of any drug used, even
    those as simple as aspirin, that will not hurt anyone. Even
    if amalgam did cause serious reactions in some people, I
    can't see why it should be treated any different than any
    drug used by the medical profession.
    Dr. Bonilla

  8. The ALTS are a way to expand the sales of coffee beans as
    Jan Drew prefers coffee enemas for amalgam removal.

    On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:05:52 -0400, Mark & Steven Bornfeld

    DDS said:
    ta said:

    We know definitively that a certain percentage of the
    population experiences significant health problems due to
    amalgams. We also know that not everyone - indeed, most
    people - either do not react at all, do not have enough
    amalgam to react, are not genetically predisposed to
    react, or eventually experience illnesses that simply
    cannot definitively be linked to amalgam. It cannot be
    proved beyond any shadow of a doubt that amalgams cause
    this or that, but there is an abundance of evidence (both
    clinical and anecdotal) that amalgam is dangerous in at
    least some people.

    Anti-amalgam position: since there is no way of knowing
    whether individuals will react negatively to amalgam, and
    the health implications are so serious, amalgams should
    not be used at all, especially considering that there are
    suitable alternatives to amalgam.

    What are these? Can you prove that the alternatives
    are safe?

    Steve

  9. "carabelli" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Try substituting the word vaccines for amalgam.

    carabelli


    or "peanut butter"

    T

  10. carabelli said:

    "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    We know definitively that a certain percentage of the
    population experiences significant health problems due to
    amalgams. We also know that not everyone - indeed, most
    people - either do not react at all, do not have enough
    amalgam to react, are not genetically predisposed to
    react, or eventually experience illnesses that simply
    cannot definitively be linked to amalgam. It cannot be
    proved beyond any shadow of a doubt that amalgams cause
    this or that, but there is an abundance of evidence (both
    clinical and anecdotal) that amalgam is dangerous in at
    least some people.

    Anti-amalgam position: since there is no way of knowing
    whether individuals will react negatively to amalgam, and
    the health implications are so serious, amalgams should
    not be used at all, especially considering that there are
    suitable alternatives to amalgam. In other words, we
    should err on the side of caution, given that there is,
    at the very least, reasonable doubt. We have a moral
    obligation not to roll the dice with people's health.

    Try substituting the word vaccines for amalgam.

    carabelli

    Is your argument that the overall utility of amalgam is
    greater than any alternatives?

  11. Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS said:
    ta said:

    We know definitively that a certain percentage of the
    population experiences significant health problems due to
    amalgams. We also know that not everyone - indeed, most
    people - either do not react at all, do not have enough
    amalgam to react, are not genetically predisposed to
    react, or eventually experience illnesses that simply
    cannot definitively be linked to amalgam. It cannot be
    proved beyond any shadow of a doubt that amalgams cause
    this or that, but there is an abundance of evidence (both
    clinical and anecdotal) that amalgam is dangerous in at
    least some people.

    Anti-amalgam position: since there is no way of knowing
    whether individuals will react negatively to amalgam, and
    the health implications are so serious, amalgams should
    not be used at all, especially considering that there are
    suitable alternatives to amalgam.

    What are these?

    Surely you must know.

    Quoted message said:

    Can you prove that the alternatives are safe?

    Let's change the word "safe" to "safer". If we can
    reasonably conclude that the alternatives to amalgam, based
    on the information we have today, overall are safer than
    amalgam, shouldn't we be using them instead? At the very
    least shouldn't we inform patients that there are serious
    question marks about the safety of amalgam, or is "caveat
    emptor" the mantra of professional dentistry?

    Quoted message said:

    Steve

  12. Sugar? Salt? Dairy products? Latex? MSG? Phenylalanine?
    Nuts? Seafood?

    Did I say NUTS??

    Fawks

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Anti-amalgam position: since there is no way of knowing
    whether


    individuals

    Quoted message said:

    will react negatively to amalgam, and the health
    implications are so serious, amalgams should not be used
    at all, especially considering that there are suitable
    alternatives to amalgam. In other words, we should err


    on

    Quoted message said:

    the side of caution, given that there is, at the very
    least, reasonable doubt. We have a moral obligation not
    to roll the dice with people's


    health.

    Quoted message said:

    Try substituting the word vaccines for amalgam.

    carabelli

  13. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Anti-amalgam position: since there is no way of knowing
    whether individuals will react negatively to amalgam,
    and the health implications are so serious, amalgams
    should not be used at all, especially considering that
    there are suitable alternatives to amalgam. In other
    words, we should err on the side of caution, given that
    there is, at the very least, reasonable doubt. We have a
    moral obligation not to roll the dice with people's
    health.

    Dental profession position: a) we deny that amalgam is
    dangerous or b) only a small fraction of the population
    reacts negatively to amalgam - too bad for them or c)
    you must prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that amalgam
    is dangerous before we will discontinue its use.

    Analysis:

    Position a) is simply blanket denial in the face of
    overwhelming evidence of the potential dangers of
    amalgam.

    Position b) is entirely immoral, although this seems
    to be the stand of many dentists, including some who
    post here.

    Position c) is entirely unreasonable, given that the
    burden of proof must be on the dental industry to show
    that a known poisonous substance is safe beyond all
    reasonable doubt before putting it in people's mouths.
    There is reasonable doubt; therefore, amalgam should not
    be used.

    Anyone who has honestly researched this issue can come
    to no other conclusion that, at the very least, there is
    reasonable doubt about the safety of amalgam.

    If position B is inmoral, then every drug used in modern
    medicine must be banned. I don't know of any drug used,
    even those as simple as aspirin, that will not hurt
    anyone. Even if amalgam did cause serious reactions in
    some people, I can't see why it should be treated any
    different than any drug used by the medical profession.
    Dr. Bonilla

    Exactly, amalgam should be treated as a Drug because it
    releases a deadly toxin into the human body.

    In the US how does the FDA treat drugs? Burden of proof of
    safety is on the manufacturer and it can take years for
    approval /not so amalgam which was grandfathered in and
    classified as a device to escape evalution for adverse
    effects from the high powered FDA drug division.

    Strict manufacturing contols are applied so that all pills
    or release capsules deliver dosage within a certain range
    and the drug company provides manufacturing data from the
    floor to assure compliance. Not so with amalgam where an
    incompentent dentist or assistant can pack amalgam in a way
    that substantially differs from what the manufacturer
    advertises and even known defective capsules from the
    manufacturere are subject to no regulation.

    A packet including all adverse reaction data is included
    with the drug and given to physician and patient. yes,
    asprin has a warning label.

    Adverse reactions are collected and investigated. Not so FDA
    dental devices which has recieved thousands of adverse
    reaction reports and dumped them in the garbage.

    So you see, that is exactly the problem. In the US Amalgam
    isn't treated like a drug at all.

  14. ta said:

    Is your argument that the overall utility of amalgam is
    greater than any alternatives?

    I'll for the moment make the dubious assumption that
    that is a sincere question. The utility of amalgam
    is significant, but not identical to any other
    material. As such, there are a number of
    applications that (were amalgam not available) the
    alternative would either be inferior in quality,
    more expensive, or both. This does not mean there
    are no alternatives--it just means there will be a
    price to pay somewhere--and it should be
    acknowledged.

    Steve

    Quoted message said:

    --
    Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS dentaltwins.comdentaltwins.com
    Brooklyn, NY

  15. "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote ............

    Quoted message said:

    Is your argument that the overall utility of amalgam is
    greater than any alternatives?

    No, it is that there are few, if any, medical/dental
    treatments that do not involve some element of risk.

    Is your argument that eliminating risks to the few is worth
    denying benefits to the many?

    carabelli

  16. ta said:


    Let's change the word "safe" to "safer". If we can
    reasonably conclude that the alternatives to amalgam, based
    on the information we have today, overall are safer than
    amalgam, shouldn't we be using them instead?

    When one compares one therapy with another one must not only
    look at risks but also benefits. Please provide objective
    evidence that the benefit/risk ratio of amalgam alternative
    compares favorably to amalgams. Be specific as to the
    evidence that one is clearly better than the other wrt
    risk/benefit.

    Quoted message said:

    At the very least shouldn't we inform patients that there
    are serious question marks about the safety of amalgam, or
    is "caveat emptor" the mantra of professional dentistry?

    Why should we inform patients that there are "serious"
    question marks about safety of amalgams when the objective
    evidence indicates that amalgams are *relatively* safe
    understanding that very few things are absolutely safe?

    Aloha,

    Rich

    -------------------------------------------------
    -------------------------------------------------

    The best defense to logic is ignorance

  17. ta said:
    Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS said:
    ta said:

    We know definitively that a certain percentage of the
    population experiences significant health problems due to
    amalgams. We also know that not everyone - indeed, most
    people - either do not react at all, do not have enough
    amalgam to react, are not genetically predisposed to
    react, or eventually experience illnesses that simply
    cannot definitively be linked to amalgam. It cannot be
    proved beyond any shadow of a doubt that amalgams cause
    this or that, but there is an abundance of evidence (both
    clinical and anecdotal) that amalgam is dangerous in at
    least some people.

    Anti-amalgam position: since there is no way of knowing
    whether individuals will react negatively to amalgam, and
    the health implications are so serious, amalgams should
    not be used at all, especially considering that there are
    suitable alternatives to amalgam.

    What are these?

    Surely you must know.

    Quoted message said:

    Can you prove that the alternatives are safe?

    Let's change the word "safe" to "safer". If we can
    reasonably conclude that the alternatives to amalgam,
    based on the information we have today, overall are safer
    than amalgam, shouldn't we be using them instead?

    This reminds me of the old Listerine commercial: "If
    using Listerine regularly might decrease the risk of
    colds, shouldn't you be using it every day?" In
    practice, it is difficult or impossible to prove
    that (for example) BIS-acryl resin-based restorative
    materials (the materials that most anti-amalgam
    dentists are placing in the majority of cavities in
    lieu of amalgam) are less toxic than amalgam. By way
    of contrast, the differences in mechanical
    properties are easily demonstrable.

    Steve

    At the very

    Quoted message said:

    least shouldn't we inform patients that there are serious
    question marks about the safety of amalgam, or is "caveat
    emptor" the mantra of professional dentistry?

    Quoted message said:

    Steve

    --
    Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS dentaltwins.comdentaltwins.com
    Brooklyn, NY

  18. [email hidden] (Clinton C Zimmerman) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Exactly, amalgam should be treated as a Drug because it
    releases a deadly toxin into the human body.

    Not exactly. It should be treated as a drug if the FDA
    determines it should.

    Quoted message said:


    In the US how does the FDA treat drugs? Burden of proof of
    safety is on the manufacturer and it can take years for
    approval /not so amalgam which was grandfathered in and
    classified as a device to escape evalution for adverse
    effects from the high powered FDA drug division.

    Strict manufacturing contols are applied so that all pills
    or release capsules deliver dosage within a certain range
    and the drug company provides manufacturing data from the
    floor to assure compliance. Not so with amalgam where an
    incompentent dentist or assistant can pack amalgam in a
    way that substantially differs from what the manufacturer
    advertises and even known defective capsules from the
    manufacturere are subject to no regulation.

    Do you mean tampering with amalgam capsules, or placing
    amalgam in a different fashion?

    Quoted message said:


    A packet including all adverse reaction data is included
    with the drug and given to physician and patient. yes,
    asprin has a warning label.

    I have no problem with giving patients all the information
    they want. I make sure to point out what has been accepted
    by the scientific community and what has not.

    Quoted message said:


    Adverse reactions are collected and investigated. Not so
    FDA dental devices which has recieved thousands of adverse
    reaction reports and dumped them in the garbage.

    So you see, that is exactly the problem. In the US Amalgam
    isn't treated like a drug at all.

    Then you should concentrate your efforts in convincing the
    FDA that it should be treated as a drug.

    Dr. Bonilla

  19. Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS said:
    ta said:

    Is your argument that the overall utility of amalgam is
    greater than any alternatives?

    I'll for the moment make the dubious assumption that that
    is a sincere question.

    Why is it dubious? It was a perfectly sincere question;
    that's how I interepreted his question. Perhaps you are
    projecting.

    Quoted message said:

    The utility of amalgam is significant, but not identical
    to any other material. As such, there are a number of
    applications that (were amalgam not available) the
    alternative would either be inferior in quality, more
    expensive, or both.

    Fair enough.

    Quoted message said:

    This does not mean there are no alternatives--it just
    means there will be a price to pay somewhere--and it
    should be acknowledged.

    No doubt. But when judging the overall utility of each
    option, we must certainly weigh the concern for human
    health more heavily than their cost and longevity, wouldn't
    you think? (This is assuming that composites are not as
    high quality as amalgam, which is surely debatable). The
    question is, would the price to pay be worth the ensuing
    benefits. What kind of price tag can we put on human
    suffering and ill health?

    Quoted message said:

    Steve

  20. carabelli said:

    "ta" <[email hidden]> wrote ............

    Quoted message said:

    Is your argument that the overall utility of amalgam is
    greater than any alternatives?

    No, it is that there are few, if any, medical/dental
    treatments that do not involve some element of risk.

    Well, obviously. That's your argument?

    Quoted message said:

    Is your argument that eliminating risks to the few is
    worth denying benefits to the many?

    Absolutely not. My argument is that the benefits of amalgam
    use are far outweighed by their risks. My argument is that
    the health risks surrounding amalgam use trump any such
    utilitarian value they may present, especially considering
    that very little, if anything, is lost with choosing an
    alternative. The assumption behind my argument is that human
    health ought to be the most heavily weighted factor in any
    cost/benefit analysis.

    Quoted message said:

    carabelli

Active in the last 60 minutes

Active in this thread

0 users · 0 guests ·0 bots ·0 total

No signed-in users are active right now.

No known search crawlers active right now.