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  1. I had a scary experience yesteday.

    About 30 minutes into a morining ride, I started feeling sick to the stomach and
    my heartbeat became noticibly irregular. Sat down for awhile, felt a little
    better, decided to turn around and ride home...felt worse immediately,
    experienced some dizziness.

    Called my wife to come and drive me home.

    Felt lousy most of the rest of the day - extremely quick to tire, heartbeat up
    around 140 just sitting in a chair... Slowly got better over the course of the
    day.

    I don't think it was a heart attack because I'd had a 'clean' cardiac
    catheterization only a couple of weeks before - having foolishly told my doc
    about some chest discomfort that I'd experienced. That was good for a week's
    lost pay while going here and there for various diagnostic procedures prior to
    the cath.

    I did, however, wind up chugging about three very large glasses of water with
    dinner that nite and it tasted *really* good.... I'd also been under a lot of
    stress - I'm a contractor and my contract with a place I'd been serving for
    about 10 years finally expired and was not renewed. Working 10-hour days to
    clean up loose ends and all that....

    Somebody's gonna say "don't mess around, see a doctor immediately...". Been
    there as described above...lost the pay, no disease found....

    So, bottom line, was my little adventure consistant with dehydration?
    --
    PeteCresswell

  2. "(Pete Cresswell)" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    I had a scary experience yesteday.

    About 30 minutes into a morining ride, I started feeling sick to the
    stomach and my heartbeat became noticibly irregular.

    I don't think it was a heart attack because I'd had a 'clean' cardiac
    catheterization only a couple of weeks before - having foolishly told
    my doc about some chest discomfort that I'd experienced. That was
    good for a week's lost pay while going here and there for various
    diagnostic procedures prior to the cath.
    been under a lot of stress - I'm a contractor and my contract with a
    place I'd been serving for about 10 years finally expired and was not
    renewed. Working 10-hour days to clean up loose ends and all that....

    IANAD, yadda-yadda, but:

    if you're noticing your heartbeat becoming irregular, you really should get
    it checked out. does this happen regularly?

    --
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  3. "(Pete Cresswell)" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    So, bottom line, was my little adventure consistant with dehydration?

    Not with my experiences..

    My HR doesn't go up noticeably and I don't
    feel sick to the stomach. Dehydration for me
    doesn't show its effects until I get off the bike.
    Then it's a bad headache, lethargy and drink
    drink drink until it goes away. I will often feel
    [censored] the next day too.
    I find it hard to rehydrate sometimes.

    See a different doctor - what you wrote sounds
    more serious to me. Could just be an illness or
    stress but it doesn't match my dehydration
    symptoms. Oh, the dizziness could be bonking?
    Did you eat much? Was it a long or intense ride?
    Another thing that lets me know I'm dehydrated
    is blurry vision. It's like my eyeballs dry up... I
    have to blink lots.

    hippy

  4. (Pete Cresswell) said:

    I had a scary experience yesteday.

    About 30 minutes into a morining ride, I started feeling sick to the stomach and
    my heartbeat became noticibly irregular. Sat down for awhile, felt a little
    better, decided to turn around and ride home...felt worse immediately,
    experienced some dizziness.

    Called my wife to come and drive me home.

    Felt lousy most of the rest of the day - extremely quick to tire, heartbeat up
    around 140 just sitting in a chair... Slowly got better over the course of the
    day.

    I don't think it was a heart attack because I'd had a 'clean' cardiac
    catheterization only a couple of weeks before - having foolishly told my doc
    about some chest discomfort that I'd experienced. That was good for a week's
    lost pay while going here and there for various diagnostic procedures prior to
    the cath.

    I did, however, wind up chugging about three very large glasses of water with
    dinner that nite and it tasted *really* good.... I'd also been under a lot of
    stress - I'm a contractor and my contract with a place I'd been serving for
    about 10 years finally expired and was not renewed. Working 10-hour days to
    clean up loose ends and all that....

    Somebody's gonna say "don't mess around, see a doctor immediately...". Been
    there as described above...lost the pay, no disease found....

    So, bottom line, was my little adventure consistant with dehydration?

    Not really.

    Something is missing here. It would take more than one incidence of chest
    pain casualy mentioned to your doctor to buy you a cardiac cath.

    Lots of things could cause what you described, but with your history, trying
    to convince yourself that it was dehydration sounds like a really bad
    idea.

    Put my vote in the "go see your doctor" column.

  5. RE/

    Quoted message said:

    Oh, the dizziness could be bonking?
    Did you eat much?

    This ride started around 0800. I never ride that hard, but I'm most definately
    *not* a morning person. The timing of this one was an anomaly.

    Come to think of it, something similar happened when I went to the gym a long
    time ago early (for me, at least) in the morning. In retrospect, it was like
    my body just ran out of something. Probably not food because I typically ride
    during lunch hour without eating lunch first and have no problems.

    Maybe I'm grasping at straws here....but I *really* don't want to get sucked
    into another round with the medical industry.... I'm gonna wait until early
    afternoon today, try a test run, give a little more attention to what's going
    on inside, and hope...
    --
    PeteCresswell

  6. (Pete Cresswell) said:

    I had a scary experience yesteday.

    About 30 minutes into a morining ride, I started feeling sick to the stomach and
    my heartbeat became noticibly irregular. Sat down for awhile, felt a little
    better, decided to turn around and ride home...felt worse immediately,
    experienced some dizziness.

    Called my wife to come and drive me home.

    Felt lousy most of the rest of the day - extremely quick to tire, heartbeat up
    around 140 just sitting in a chair... Slowly got better over the course of the
    day.

    I don't think it was a heart attack because I'd had a 'clean' cardiac
    catheterization only a couple of weeks before - having foolishly told my doc
    about some chest discomfort that I'd experienced. That was good for a week's
    lost pay while going here and there for various diagnostic procedures prior to
    the cath.

    I did, however, wind up chugging about three very large glasses of water with
    dinner that nite and it tasted *really* good.... I'd also been under a lot of
    stress - I'm a contractor and my contract with a place I'd been serving for
    about 10 years finally expired and was not renewed. Working 10-hour days to
    clean up loose ends and all that....

    Somebody's gonna say "don't mess around, see a doctor immediately...". Been
    there as described above...lost the pay, no disease found....

    So, bottom line, was my little adventure consistant with dehydration?

    Been there, done that, almost bought the farm.
    Get your ass back to the doctor.

    Extreme dehydration in 30 minutes? Don't kill yourself coming up with
    theories.

    -Marcus

  7. How hot was it? You say you don't ride too hard. Early morning weather in
    most places in this country (you don't say where you are)this time of year,
    it would be pretty difficult if not impossible to become dehydrated from
    normal.

    What was your weight? You can get cumulatively dehydrated over several
    days, but your weight would be on the order of 3-5% below normal as a
    consequence.

    What color was your pee? When dehydrated, your urine is very dark in color,
    and you will produce little of it.

    There are cardiac things other than "attacks". Arrhythmias have their own
    symptoms, not usually including "pressure or pain" and can be
    life-threatening. It is amazing what medical people know. The fact that
    you don't understand it doesn't make any difference. Go to the doctor while
    you still can.

    --

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  8. RE/

    Quoted message said:

    Something is missing here. It would take more than one incidence of chest
    pain casualy mentioned to your doctor to buy you a cardiac cath.

    Correct - although the chest symptoms weren't pain, but a feeling of fullness
    that spread to the jaw and arms. That precipated a series of tests prior to
    the cath. One of the tests showed a 25% decrease in something called "ejection
    factor" that the doc could not explain. That's what lead to the cath.

    The other thing that's missing is that this particular doc was a close friend of
    my late brother, who didn't quite make it to 45 before dying from a heart attack
    shortly after finishing med school.

    I, however, didn't get all of the genetic package that he had and my blood
    lipids are, per the doc, well under control. I think his relationship with my
    late brother is making him more cautious/conservative than he would be otherwise
    - i.e. he doesn't want to lose another one.

    My take is that after all the tests I've been through recently it's futile to go
    back for more until the problem becomes replicable upon demand.
    --
    PeteCresswell

  9. RE/

    Quoted message said:

    Been there, done that, almost bought the farm.
    Get your ass back to the doctor.

    What was the diagnosis?
    --
    PeteCresswell

  10. (Pete Cresswell) said:

    My take is that after all the tests I've been through recently it's futile to go
    back for more until the problem becomes replicable upon demand.

    The best would have been to go in while you were having the
    symptoms. It is too late for that, but at the very least you should
    call your doctor and tell him/her about this.

    Did they tell you if you had an MI in the past?

    An element of caution IS warranted because of your brother. An
    ejection fraction of 25% is abnormal. I would ask if they verified
    this when they did the cath.

    You need to talk to your doctor.

  11. (Pete Cresswell) said:

    RE/

    Quoted message said:

    Been there, done that, almost bought the farm.
    Get your ass back to the doctor.

    What was the diagnosis?

    Pete

    I don't wish to discuss my personal medical history any further on usenet.
    Please forward this to my email address with your valid e-mail address
    and I will respond directly.

    -Marcus

  12. I agree with the other posters - you really must get your Doctor to refer to
    you a cardiologist and get him to do some tests.

    I have been having regular problems with intermittent heart beats over the
    last year or so - I tend to get an episode every three months or so. I've
    had it checked out and they have diagnosed "Atrial Fibrilation". This may be
    what you are experiencing, but I know there are various different types of
    irregular heartbeat and this is only one of them. There is no pain at all in
    my case, but I am aware of the heart beating very fast and can feel
    lightheaded and find it a little difficult to concentrate.

    Caffeine, alcohol, stress and exercise are all triggers that can cause
    Atrial Fibrillation and I believe some other irregular heartbeat problems as
    well. I've also heard drinking a large volume of water can also be a
    trigger. But I haven't heard that dehydration can cause it. My Doc told me
    to cut out caffeine - I have cut down a lot on this and its helped but not
    eradicated the problem. I tend to get an attack sometime after after being
    particularly stressed and also having done a lot of exercise (mostly running
    in my case). (And I have to say usually the day after a few beers as well,
    its kind of hard to cut that one out 😉. I am convinced that for me it is
    the stress that is the prime factor. The attack normally lasts a day and a
    half and in my case it is usually some very gentle exercise (such as a short
    stroll) that flips it back into the normal state, once the irregularity has
    calmed down to a certain degree.

    I've been told my problem is quite common in fit people as they have larger
    hearts and are therefore more prone to the problem, which is something to do
    with interruptions to the electric signals in the heart wall that control
    the beating. In my case they have told me that my heart is healthy. I think
    they label what I have as "lone atrial fibilation" as there are no other
    associated causes. But in general there may be which is why it is important
    to get it checked. In my case I was strongly encouraged to keep running,
    although I don't do it of course when its out of sync. (Fortunately it
    doesn't normally happen during a period of exercise for me).

    I was told that when the heart is in an irregular state, there is an
    increased risk of stroke. So one thing you might want to consider is taking
    an Aspirin a day (the little 75mg ones) as it thins the blood and reduces
    the risk of a stroke. I tend to do this when I get an attack and for
    several days after it stops, but I should probably take one every day.

    But these are only my experiences and your problem may be different - the
    only way to find out and put your mind at rest is to go and see the doctor
    and cardiologist.

    Hope it helps anyway.

    Jerry

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    Quoted message said:

    I had a scary experience yesteday.

    About 30 minutes into a morining ride, I started feeling sick to the
    stomach and
    my heartbeat became noticibly irregular. Sat down for awhile, felt a
    little
    better, decided to turn around and ride home...felt worse immediately,
    experienced some dizziness.

    Called my wife to come and drive me home.

    Felt lousy most of the rest of the day - extremely quick to tire,
    heartbeat up
    around 140 just sitting in a chair... Slowly got better over the course of
    the
    day.

    I don't think it was a heart attack because I'd had a 'clean' cardiac
    catheterization only a couple of weeks before - having foolishly told my
    doc
    about some chest discomfort that I'd experienced. That was good for a
    week's
    lost pay while going here and there for various diagnostic procedures
    prior to
    the cath.

    I did, however, wind up chugging about three very large glasses of water
    with
    dinner that nite and it tasted *really* good.... I'd also been under a
    lot of
    stress - I'm a contractor and my contract with a place I'd been serving
    for
    about 10 years finally expired and was not renewed. Working 10-hour days
    to
    clean up loose ends and all that....

    Somebody's gonna say "don't mess around, see a doctor immediately...".
    Been
    there as described above...lost the pay, no disease found....

    So, bottom line, was my little adventure consistant with dehydration?
    --
    PeteCresswell

  13. You could wait a week and see if you are still alive.

    If you are, then you were correct in your diagnosis. If you are not
    you should have spoken to a doctor.

    Your life, your choice, but I would not trust my life to medical
    advice received from rec.bicycles.tech.

    the above is my opinion, and as such has no more or less validity then
    anyone else's opinion.

    Rob

    (Pete Cresswell) said:

    My take is that after all the tests I've been through recently it's futile to go
    back for more until the problem becomes replicable upon demand.
    --
    PeteCresswell

  14. Had a dehydration episode many years ago halfway through a 75 mile ride on
    a hot summer day. Symptoms were lightheadedness and nausea.
    That night I noticed I had an irregular hearbeat and I went to a
    cardiologist the next day. He told me that "if you beat a horse it won't
    behave normally" referring to the stress I put on my heart from riding hard
    and getting dehydrated. In a couple of days after resting and rehydrating I
    was fine. It was scary however. But as others have said, one person's
    experience may have no relevance to your problem and you should get it
    checked especially since you were only a half hour into your ride.
    PS you don't smoke cigars, do you?
    El Ray

  15. RE/

    Quoted message said:

    But as others have said, one person's
    experience may have no relevance to your problem and you should get it
    checked especially since you were only a half hour into your ride.
    PS you don't smoke cigars, do you?

    Well, everybody has me convinced to come out of the closet on this with my doc.

    Nope, no cigars...no nicotine whatsoever since quitting 30+ years ago.
    --
    PeteCresswell

  16. (Pete Cresswell) said:

    RE/

    Quoted message said:

    But as others have said, one person's
    experience may have no relevance to your problem and you should get
    it checked especially since you were only a half hour into your ride.
    PS you don't smoke cigars, do you?

    Well, everybody has me convinced to come out of the closet on this
    with my doc.

    Nope, no cigars...no nicotine whatsoever since quitting 30+ years ago.

    Pete.
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    Quoted message said:

    I had a scary experience yesteday.

    About 30 minutes into a morining ride, I started feeling sick to the
    stomach and my heartbeat became noticibly irregular.

    I don't think it was a heart attack because I'd had a 'clean' cardiac
    catheterization only a couple of weeks before - having foolishly told
    my doc about some chest discomfort that I'd experienced. That was
    good for a week's lost pay while going here and there for various
    diagnostic procedures prior to the cath.
    been under a lot of stress - I'm a contractor and my contract with a
    place I'd been serving for about 10 years finally expired and was not
    renewed. Working 10-hour days to clean up loose ends and all that....



    You probably had what is known as a Supraventricular tachycardia.
    That is just a guess. This should be checked out with an electrocardio
    gram for starters. Irregular heartbeat problems are often intermittent.
    A treadmill and a 24 hour heart rate monitor are often also done.
    These type of problems may be very serious and you should not be cheap and
    avoid the proper evaluation.
    Dehydration at the beginning of the ride is the least likely cause.
    A normal heart cath is very possible with irregular heart beat problems.

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  20. Quoted message said:

    Called my wife to come and drive me home.

    Good choice.

    Quoted message said:

    Felt lousy most of the rest of the day - extremely quick to tire, heartbeat
    up
    around 140 just sitting in a chair

    Quoted message said:

    Somebody's gonna say "don't mess around, see a doctor immediately...". Been
    there as described above...lost the pay, no disease found....

    Please see your doctor again. Print what you posted and bring it with you when
    you go. A resting HR of 140 is a symptom.

    Quoted message said:

    So, bottom line, was my little adventure consistant with dehydration?

    Yes, for Johhny Cash wandering in the desert on a burro drinking Black Label at
    110 F. You, riding on your bike, no. You have a symptom.

    It's your job to report symptoms. Good luck!

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