Decanio Names More Names

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On his site he names Ben Brooks of Jelly Belly, about how they shared
an apt on Linda McCartney and Brooks stored EPO in the fridge.
and some others, including a story about David Clinger talking about
drug use at USPS...

In other words he is a rat. Accusing people of crimes in which he was a
participant. That is a rat and there is not dignity, decency or pride in it. He
doesn't have those things because he is suffering some sort of emotional
collapse.

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the more the sport ostracizes him the more he's gonna talk,

He's ostracized for being a [censored] - corrupting a decent cause like anti-doping
into a personal ego-stroke. This is a personal breakdown, drawn out and
published on the internet. The man is suffering a serious and profound emotional
breakdown and you are embracing it because in his desperate condition he
blithers out some words you wanted to hear.

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I always wondered when this was going to happen, I thought maybe Marty
Jemison would do it, but Decanio has nothing to lose now, no team will
touch him.
Most cyclists are financially motivated to keep their mouths shut,
obviously, thats not a problem for Decanio.
Other cyclists don't want to tarnish their or their friends reputations
and results, and this isn't a problem for him either, since he's
already admitted to doping.

And he has no friends, being a rat and all. He needs them in his present state.
I just don't know if he has them. Ironic isn't it.

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it's gonna get uglier soon, we'll see if he keeps it up or caves in to
the pressure of lawyers and threats.
Good stuff.

No, not good. Ugly and unpleasant. It is not good to see a man ruin his life in
a public breakdown like this.

Ron

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On his site he names Ben Brooks of Jelly Belly, about how they shared
an apt on Linda McCartney and Brooks stored EPO in the fridge.
and some others, including a story about David Clinger talking about
drug use at USPS...
the more the sport ostracizes him the more he's gonna talk,

You mean make [censored] up. The guy does not seem psychologically stable to me.
I belive about one third of what he says, I laugh at about one third, and
then he goes totally off the deep end. I don't know psychological terms but
he's delusional at the very least.

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I always wondered when this was going to happen, I thought maybe Marty
Jemison would do it, but Decanio has nothing to lose now, no team will
touch him.
Most cyclists are financially motivated to keep their mouths shut,
obviously, thats not a problem for Decanio.
Other cyclists don't want to tarnish their or their friends reputations
and results, and this isn't a problem for him either, since he's
already admitted to doping.
it's gonna get uglier soon, we'll see if he keeps it up or caves in to
the pressure of lawyers and threats.
Good stuff.

I do my viewing of RBR with Google. I thought it was very funny that on
the left side of my screen is a list of "Dope is bad" posts and on the
right side is "Sponsored" links to "Steroids & Sports?"
(http://www.legalsteroids.com/google/sports.html) & "Steroids for
Sale" (http://advanced-health-consult.com/).
RBR is Sponsored by Steroid venders?

he's not stable, I think he knows that, I don't think anyone who talks
about
commiting suicide is stable.
So the question is: if he's unstable, delusional, etc...does that mean
he
is automatically lying about all this stuff?
I don't know, many of his claims are kind of vague, like
"Clinger talked about doping at postal", that could mean
all kinds of things.
I think if he was a totally normal dude he would be much
more easy to believe and take seriously, but I also think no
"normal" dude would ever do what he is doing.
He was a real pro, on big teams, and was on the "inside" - that
means he knows a great deal about doping, and he's willing to
talk -
all this stuff is going to unsubstantiated, thats just the nature
of doping, dudes don't inject themsleves at the start line.
I could tell you tons of doping stories that would point the
the finger at all kinds of riders, and I wasn't a pro or even a
top amatuer.
You do superweek and a top domestic team empties out the ice
machine on every single floor of an entire hotel, for 7 days
straight - why do they need so much freaking ice? 24/7
the staff is filling up ice buckets. They must have some
really bad knees or something I guess.
It's not proof, but it's interesting no?
Why is mexico so popular in Feb? The warm weather I guess.
It's not proof, but check out some of the little
early season Mexican stage races - they get a quality field
of top domestic pros and amatuers. They don't race very hard.
I like to read Decanios stuff, I skip the delusional paramilitary
[censored], and I don't believe anything just because someone wrote
it.
I think everyone is focusing too much on Decanios flaws - spoiled brat,

mentally unstable, holier than thou attitude, delusional, non-real
job holding, non-html skills, etc.
that doesn't mean he's lying, doping is rampant in cycling.
He's a whistleblower, and I respect that, he isn't a snitch, this
isn't prison.
He pisses off three kinds of people:
the dopers - who use dope
the dreamers - who think cycling is a clean sport
the cycling establishment - the people who "run" cycling want
people to think cycling is clean, these are manufacturers,
promoters, team directors, USCF ceos, ex-pros, all
want us to think cycling is clean, buy our Treks and
Litespeeds and renew our licenses.

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he's not stable, I think he knows that, I don't think anyone who talks
about
commiting suicide is stable.
So the question is: if he's unstable, delusional, etc...does that mean
he
is automatically lying about all this stuff?
I don't know, many of his claims are kind of vague, like
"Clinger talked about doping at postal", that could mean
all kinds of things.
I think if he was a totally normal dude he would be much
more easy to believe and take seriously, but I also think no
"normal" dude would ever do what he is doing.
He was a real pro, on big teams, and was on the "inside" - that
means he knows a great deal about doping, and he's willing to
talk -
all this stuff is going to unsubstantiated, thats just the nature
of doping, dudes don't inject themsleves at the start line.
I could tell you tons of doping stories that would point the
the finger at all kinds of riders, and I wasn't a pro or even a
top amatuer.
You do superweek and a top domestic team empties out the ice
machine on every single floor of an entire hotel, for 7 days
straight - why do they need so much freaking ice? 24/7
the staff is filling up ice buckets. They must have some
really bad knees or something I guess.
It's not proof, but it's interesting no?
Why is mexico so popular in Feb? The warm weather I guess.
It's not proof, but check out some of the little
early season Mexican stage races - they get a quality field
of top domestic pros and amatuers. They don't race very hard.
I like to read Decanios stuff, I skip the delusional paramilitary
[censored], and I don't believe anything just because someone wrote
it.
I think everyone is focusing too much on Decanios flaws - spoiled brat,

mentally unstable, holier than thou attitude, delusional, non-real
job holding, non-html skills, etc.
that doesn't mean he's lying, doping is rampant in cycling.
He's a whistleblower, and I respect that, he isn't a snitch, this
isn't prison.
He pisses off three kinds of people:
the dopers - who use dope
the dreamers - who think cycling is a clean sport
the cycling establishment - the people who "run" cycling want
people to think cycling is clean, these are manufacturers,
promoters, team directors, USCF ceos, ex-pros, all
want us to think cycling is clean, buy our Treks and
Litespeeds and renew our licenses.

I don't doubt there is some truth to some of the things he says, but it is
not reliable truth. Much of it is extremely exaggerated, so much so that it
becomes fabricated. You have a car that sputters along at 5 mph, yep you
have a real car, yep it has a real internal combustion engine, no you can't
trust it to get you anywhere.

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You do superweek and a top domestic team empties out the ice
machine on every single floor of an entire hotel, for 7 days
straight - why do they need so much freaking ice?

I must be naive or something because when this happened in Fitchburg, I
figured it was because cyclists have a lot of drinks and food to keep cold,
and no fridge in the rooms... Dang ice machines were so slow, sometimes it
was faster to go to another, less busy floor.

I get your point, but what does ice have to do with doping?

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He pisses off three kinds of people:
the dopers - who use dope
the dreamers - who think cycling is a clean sport
the cycling establishment - the people who "run" cycling want
people to think cycling is clean, these are manufacturers,
promoters, team directors, USCF ceos, ex-pros, all
want us to think cycling is clean, buy our Treks and
Litespeeds and renew our licenses.

Dumbass -

The reason I find him annoying is the attitude that, in life's grand
scheme, bike racing is really important.

You'd think he was campaigning against the war in Iraq or something.
Professional Bike Racing is merely entertainment, just like any other
spectator sport.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

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I don't doubt there is some truth to some of the things he says, but it is
not reliable truth. Much of it is extremely exaggerated, so much so that
it
becomes fabricated. You have a car that sputters along at 5 mph, yep you
have a real car, yep it has a real internal combustion engine, no you
can't
trust it to get you anywhere.

The only way to ascertain that would be for the sport's governing body
and/or the Dept. of Justice (Balco anyone) to sit him down and interview him
at length. Then they would go out and interview others to developed more
information and verify the validity of what D has had to say.

This is the same scenario for all whistleblowers. As an aside, from
today's Cycling News:
Madariaga comments spark debate
The manager of the Euskaltel-Euskadi team, Miguel Madariaga, has stirred up
more doping controversy in Spain by claiming in a recent interview with Deia
that he has "more data than ever to support that more than 80 percent of
cycling is corrupted by doping."

The Basque cycling federation has asked Madariaga to explain himself,
issuing a statement saying, "If he considers the Basques to be involved in
doping, we encourage him to denounce them in court to clarify these
concepts. If he says he has data to support his affirmations, we want him to
show it in court and put an end to the activities of those that adulterate
the practice of our sport."

That must be built in, because a discussion of EPO use had a sidebar
with links to palces you could actually buy EPO!

RonSonic said:

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On his site he names Ben Brooks of Jelly Belly, about how they

shared

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an apt on Linda McCartney and Brooks stored EPO in the fridge.
and some others, including a story about David Clinger talking about
drug use at USPS...

In other words he is a rat. Accusing people of crimes in which he was

a

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participant. That is a rat and there is not dignity, decency or pride

in it. He

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doesn't have those things because he is suffering some sort of

emotional

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collapse.

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the more the sport ostracizes him the more he's gonna talk,

He's ostracized for being a [censored] - corrupting a decent cause like

anti-doping

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into a personal ego-stroke. This is a personal breakdown, drawn out

and

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published on the internet. The man is suffering a serious and

profound emotional

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breakdown and you are embracing it because in his desperate condition

he

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blithers out some words you wanted to hear.

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I always wondered when this was going to happen, I thought maybe

Marty

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Jemison would do it, but Decanio has nothing to lose now, no team

will

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touch him.
Most cyclists are financially motivated to keep their mouths shut,
obviously, thats not a problem for Decanio.
Other cyclists don't want to tarnish their or their friends

reputations

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and results, and this isn't a problem for him either, since he's
already admitted to doping.

And he has no friends, being a rat and all. He needs them in his

present state.

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I just don't know if he has them. Ironic isn't it.

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it's gonna get uglier soon, we'll see if he keeps it up or caves in

to

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the pressure of lawyers and threats.
Good stuff.

No, not good. Ugly and unpleasant. It is not good to see a man ruin

his life in

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a public breakdown like this.

Ron

How about instead of jumping all over him personally you aren't also
calling for a full blown, transparent investigation into these
allegations to prove he's lying.
Yeah, he's not real stable but that doesn't mean he's not telling the
truth.
How about we all raise some hell with USAC and ask for a little more
explanation of Amber Neben, and why they haven't sat some of these
people down and started to investigate this stuff seriously. They will
claim they are, but at this point they really don't seem to care too
much. I'm betting that they help some of these people Matt has accused
prepare lawsuits against Matt to shut him up rather than actually
investigate.
Gerard and I clashed badly early on, but worked it out and I had a lot
of respect for him and what he seemed to be doing, but after the affair
with Neben, which came after Moninger, Gerards claim that he wasn't
aware of the level of problem involving supplements and positive tests
seemed pretty questionable at best.
I can not believe that he was unaware of what seems to be the most
common excuse for a positive test before Neben. I'm going to send an
E-Mail and see what he has to say about all of this.
Bill C

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On his site he names Ben Brooks of Jelly Belly, about how they shared
an apt on Linda McCartney and Brooks stored EPO in the fridge.
and some others, including a story about David Clinger talking about
drug use at USPS...
the more the sport ostracizes him the more he's gonna talk,

You mean make [censored] up. The guy does not seem psychologically stable to
me.
I belive about one third of what he says, I laugh at about one third, and
then he goes totally off the deep end. I don't know psychological terms
but
he's delusional at the very least.

Easier to marginalizeand label than to deal with the allegations. Rage
against the machine.

JF

Bill C said:

RonSonic wrote:

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Good stuff.

No, not good. Ugly and unpleasant. It is not good to see a man ruin

his life in

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a public breakdown like this.

Ron

How about instead of jumping all over him personally you aren't also
calling for a full blown, transparent investigation into these
allegations to prove he's lying.

Who said he's lying. Hell, I don't know. I wouldn't be at all surprised if there
were a great deal of truth to what he says. That isn't my point. First, this is
a man with severe emotional problems that he has thrown onto a public stage and
unlike the previous poster, I do not think it is good stuff. Worse, is that his
hysterics will serve to prevent an investigation. What agency wants to convene
any kind of investigation and have to say "we are encouraged to look into this
matter by the website SU." He is degrading this cause that he claims to support.

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Yeah, he's not real stable but that doesn't mean he's not telling the
truth.
How about we all raise some hell with USAC and ask for a little more
explanation of Amber Neben, and why they haven't sat some of these
people down and started to investigate this stuff seriously. They will
claim they are, but at this point they really don't seem to care too
much. I'm betting that they help some of these people Matt has accused
prepare lawsuits against Matt to shut him up rather than actually
investigate.

Cycling has been on drugs for over 100 years. The entire history of the sport
has been associated with some sort of drug use or another. That isn't a problem
for someone like Matt to cure. Looking to him is like some hockey player
retiring before he's banned for life for decapitating someone with a stick going
on an antiviolence crusade.

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Gerard and I clashed badly early on, but worked it out and I had a lot
of respect for him and what he seemed to be doing, but after the affair
with Neben, which came after Moninger, Gerards claim that he wasn't
aware of the level of problem involving supplements and positive tests
seemed pretty questionable at best.
I can not believe that he was unaware of what seems to be the most
common excuse for a positive test before Neben. I'm going to send an
E-Mail and see what he has to say about all of this.

I'd really prefer the sport clean to doped. But I'm not convinced that Matt's
"Samson" act is the way to go.

Ron

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You do superweek and a top domestic team empties out the ice
machine on every single floor of an entire hotel, for 7 days
straight - why do they need so much freaking ice?

I must be naive or something because when this happened in Fitchburg, I
figured it was because cyclists have a lot of drinks and food to keep cold,
and no fridge in the rooms... Dang ice machines were so slow, sometimes it
was faster to go to another, less busy floor.

I get your point, but what does ice have to do with doping?

Perishable IV bags??

B Lafferty said:

The only way to ascertain that would be for the sport's governing

body

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and/or the Dept. of Justice (Balco anyone) to sit him down and

interview him

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at length.

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Loser -

The reason that won't happen is that bike racing isn't important. Drug
use, legal and illegal, is endemic in the culture in general, therefore
Justice won't waste further resources on this "problem" while heroin
addict panhandlers are pestering people on the streets.
thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Suz said:

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You do superweek and a top domestic team empties out the ice
machine on every single floor of an entire hotel, for 7 days
straight - why do they need so much freaking ice?

I must be naive or something because when this happened in Fitchburg,

I

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figured it was because cyclists have a lot of drinks and food to keep

cold,

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and no fridge in the rooms... Dang ice machines were so slow,

sometimes it

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was faster to go to another, less busy floor.

I get your point, but what does ice have to do with doping?

Honestly, I'm not sure if it has anything to do with doping. I have no
proof. But I've heard that some drugs have to be kept very very cold,
and not all hotel rooms have fridges, ours didn't, so maybe they used
the ice to keep dope nice and cold.
Then again, maybe it was because it was 98 degrees and humid.
Ice machines are pretty big, and those dudes bogarted the ice like it
was
going out of style - maybe they were taking ice baths? The team had one
dude whose job it was to go from floor to floor and just empty the
machines, we'd get back from a race and they'd all be empty, midnight
you check - empty.

Most of the dialogue about doping is just speculation and gossip, not
proof, At least Decanio was a real pro, so at least he can say he was
there on the inside, that is more than most people can say. So I
believe most of it.
Here is some more: Many top domestic cyclists are bald and angry all
the time. Some have raging back acne at 27. Many spend the winters in
Tucson and San Diego, close to Mexico border towns.
All could be explained away pretty easily, cyclists like to train in
warm weather, some people are bald. I'm not sure what the raging back
acne is all about though.
Anyway, after hearing people speculate about doping for years: "I heard
this guy say this guy said this guy was totally on dope and would bring
back suitcases of dope back to boulder from Juarez every jan."
I like to read someone like Decanio who was involved and more credible,
yes I think decanio is credible.

we all know it's a small sport in the USA,
I think it's larger than off road skateboarding, at least for now.
He does take the whole thing pretty way too seriously, but
I find the whole issue entertaining.
maybe tou are part of the minority (or maybe silent majority)
that realizes that there is doping in cycling - like all
sports - and appreciates and participates anyway.
Thats how I feel, my favorite pro cyclist was alex zulle,
when he attacked induarin in the 95 tour back when
nobody challeneged indurain, that was epic.
When I found out he was on EPO and HGH, I
didn't respect what he did any less, and maybe
some more because he admitted it right away.
Tyler, in my opinion, is pretty lame, not because
he was on dope, but because he swore on his dead
dog that he was clean.

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B Lafferty said:

The only way to ascertain that would be for the sport's governing

body

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and/or the Dept. of Justice (Balco anyone) to sit him down and

interview him

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at length.

<snip>

Loser -

The reason that won't happen is that bike racing isn't important. Drug
use, legal and illegal, is endemic in the culture in general, therefore
Justice won't waste further resources on this "problem" while heroin
addict panhandlers are pestering people on the streets.
thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Ditto for me. But I wouldn't even bother point out the heroin panhandlers.
The bulk of drug use is from everyday people. It's the Prozak moms and the
Viagra dads, the beer slugging teens, the cigarette smokers, the can't wake
up without coffee folks, the can't study without caffine students, and the
body can't heal without prescriptions doctors. When you look at every day
people, western medicine and other sports you can't possibly pick out
cycling and have expectations of no drug use. People getting all worked up
about drug use in cycling are not holding perspective of the rest of
society's drug use on both scale and diversity.

I agree, messenger vs. message, they aren't the same thing.
When people don't like what they are hearing, they attack the
messenger,
pick him apart, find hs flaws, anything to keep from dealing with the
message.
If you don't like the message, don't read it. Go buy Lance's books and
get
inspired, up-with-people, ride your bike, whatever.

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That must be built in, because a discussion of EPO use had a sidebar
with links to palces you could actually buy EPO!

They're matching whatever words occur in the discussion with
keywords from their advertisers. So in r.b.tech you get
ads for cranks and chain lube, and here you get ads for
drugs. It's a sign of increased sophistication on our part
about training methods - if Google groups had existed five
years ago, there probably would mostly have been ads for
HRMs. But all us fattie masters know that HRMs are so 1999.
It's all about the Powertaps and Aranesp now.

Ben