Death Squirrel: Redeux

Slash said:

Seems an opera singer's nose met an unenviable fate (read: pavement)
at the hands of yet another Kamakaze Squirrel of Death.

http://reuters.excite.com//article/20060905/2006-09-05T142225Z_01_L04177758_RTRIDST_0_ODD-SQUIRREL-OPERA-DC.html

That's it, I'm putting Zipp discs on my commuter. Better safe than
sorry.

Time for a return to 48 spoke wheels!

Slash said:

Seems an opera singer's nose met an unenviable fate (read: pavement)
at the hands of yet another Kamakaze Squirrel of Death.

http://reuters.excite.com//article/20060905/2006-09-05T142225Z_01_L04177758_RTRIDST_0_ODD-SQUIRREL-OPERA-DC.html

That's it, I'm putting Zipp discs on my commuter. Better safe than
sorry.

The oney ding funnieh thin a oppah thingah width a boken nothe isth a
death/thasth/hodco thingah width a boken nothe.

Ron

RonSonic said:

On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 06:56:02 -0800, Slash <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Seems an opera singer's nose met an unenviable fate (read: pavement)
at the hands of yet another Kamakaze Squirrel of Death.

http://reuters.excite.com//article/20060905/2006-09-05T142225Z_01_L04177758_RTRIDST_0_ODD-SQUIRREL-OPERA-DC.html

That's it, I'm putting Zipp discs on my commuter. Better safe than
sorry.

The oney ding funnieh thin a oppah thingah width a boken nothe isth a
death/thasth/hodco thingah width a boken nothe.

NICE! <eg>

ahm having a rough time with the smaller critters in a tropical climate
with another runamuck staph infection on the shins

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ahm having a rough time with the smaller critters in a tropical
climate with another runamuck staph infection on the shins

not good, gene. get better quick!

RonSonic said:

Slash said:

Seems an opera singer's nose met an unenviable fate (read: pavement)
at the hands of yet another Kamakaze Squirrel of Death.

http://reuters.excite.com//article/20060905/2006-09-05T142225Z_01_L04177758_RTRIDST_0_ODD-SQUIRREL-OPERA-DC.html

That's it, I'm putting Zipp discs on my commuter. Better safe than
sorry.

The oney ding funnieh thin a oppah thingah width a boken nothe isth a
death/thasth/hodco thingah width a boken nothe.

Ron

OUTHHH!

/s

Slash said:

Seems an opera singer's nose met an unenviable fate (read: pavement)
at the hands of yet another Kamakaze Squirrel of Death.

http://reuters.excite.com//article/20060905/2006-09-05T142225Z_01_L04177758_RTRIDST_0_ODD-SQUIRREL-OPERA-DC.html

That's it, I'm putting Zipp discs on my commuter. Better safe than
sorry.

I do not understand how this could happen. I've had squirrels run into
my spokes and birds try to fly through. They thrum along a couple
spokes and bounce off. Probably a little worse for wear.

The squirrels may have evil intent but they lack an effective mechanism.

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Slash said:

Seems an opera singer's nose met an unenviable fate (read: pavement)
at the hands of yet another Kamakaze Squirrel of Death.

http://reuters.excite.com//article/20060905/2006-09-05T142225Z_01_L04177758_RTRIDST_0_ODD-SQUIRREL-OPERA-DC.html

That's it, I'm putting Zipp discs on my commuter. Better safe than
sorry.

Time for a return to 48 spoke wheels!

I would like to see a squirrel try to get through this 36-spoke front
wheel: <http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/sunset/Sunset001.jpg>.

--
Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain

On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:18:01 -0700, Fred Fredburger <[email hidden]>

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Slash said:

Seems an opera singer's nose met an unenviable fate (read: pavement)
at the hands of yet another Kamakaze Squirrel of Death.

http://reuters.excite.com//article/20060905/2006-09-05T142225Z_01_L04177758_RTRIDST_0_ODD-SQUIRREL-OPERA-DC.html

That's it, I'm putting Zipp discs on my commuter. Better safe than
sorry.

I do not understand how this could happen. I've had squirrels run into
my spokes and birds try to fly through. They thrum along a couple
spokes and bounce off. Probably a little worse for wear.

The squirrels may have evil intent but they lack an effective mechanism.

Dear Fred,

You're absolutely right, no squirrel could fit into my 20-spoke--

Urrk!

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_1.jpg

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_2.jpg

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_3.jpg

"The only good squirrels I ever saw were dead."
--Major General Philip H. Squirreldan

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

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On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:18:01 -0700, Fred Fredburger <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Slash said:

Seems an opera singer's nose met an unenviable fate (read: pavement)
at the hands of yet another Kamakaze Squirrel of Death.

http://reuters.excite.com//article/20060905/2006-09-05T142225Z_01_L04177758_RTRIDST_0_ODD-SQUIRREL-OPERA-DC.html

That's it, I'm putting Zipp discs on my commuter. Better safe than
sorry.

I do not understand how this could happen. I've had squirrels run into
my spokes and birds try to fly through. They thrum along a couple
spokes and bounce off. Probably a little worse for wear.

The squirrels may have evil intent but they lack an effective mechanism.

Dear Fred,

You're absolutely right, no squirrel could fit into my 20-spoke--

Urrk!

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_1.jpg

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_2.jpg

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_3.jpg

"The only good squirrels I ever saw were dead."
--Major General Philip H. Squirreldan

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Wow. That's impressive!

"Stick a fork in him. He's done!"

Matt

MattB said:

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:18:01 -0700, Fred Fredburger <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Slash wrote:

> Seems an opera singer's nose met an unenviable fate (read: pavement)
> at the hands of yet another Kamakaze Squirrel of Death.
>
> http://reuters.excite.com//article/20060905/2006-09-05T142225Z_01_L04177758_RTRIDST_0_ODD-SQUIRREL-OPERA-DC.html
>
>
> That's it, I'm putting Zipp discs on my commuter. Better safe than
> sorry.
>

I do not understand how this could happen. I've had squirrels run
into my spokes and birds try to fly through. They thrum along a
couple spokes and bounce off. Probably a little worse for wear.

The squirrels may have evil intent but they lack an effective mechanism.

Dear Fred,

You're absolutely right, no squirrel could fit into my 20-spoke--

Urrk!

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_1.jpg

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_2.jpg

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_3.jpg

"The only good squirrels I ever saw were dead."
--Major General Philip H. Squirreldan

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Wow. That's impressive!

"Stick a fork in him. He's done!"

More like "Stick him in a fork."

Mark J.

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Quoted message said:

On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:18:01 -0700, Fred Fredburger <[email hidden]>
wrote:

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I do not understand how this could happen. I've had squirrels run

into

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my spokes and birds try to fly through. They thrum along a couple
spokes and bounce off. Probably a little worse for wear.

The squirrels may have evil intent but they lack an effective

mechanism.

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Dear Fred,

You're absolutely right, no squirrel could fit into my 20-spoke--

Urrk!

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_1.jpg

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_2.jpg

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_3.jpg

"The only good squirrels I ever saw were dead."
--Major General Philip H. Squirreldan

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

In the 1st picture it looks like the bike has a broken rear axle or hub.
How did the squirrel cause that?

Chas.

On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 15:55:04 -0700, "* * Chas" <[email hidden]>

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Quoted message said:

On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:18:01 -0700, Fred Fredburger <[email hidden]>
wrote:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I do not understand how this could happen. I've had squirrels run

into

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

my spokes and birds try to fly through. They thrum along a couple
spokes and bounce off. Probably a little worse for wear.

The squirrels may have evil intent but they lack an effective

mechanism.

Quoted message said:

Dear Fred,

You're absolutely right, no squirrel could fit into my 20-spoke--

Urrk!

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_1.jpg

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_2.jpg

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_3.jpg

"The only good squirrels I ever saw were dead."
--Major General Philip H. Squirreldan

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

In the 1st picture it looks like the bike has a broken rear axle or hub.
How did the squirrel cause that?

Chas.

Dear Chas.,

Hmmm . . .

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_2.jpg

In the second picture, the vicious rodent is still clutching a gear
cable in a death-grip.

The gear cable obviously has no tension--something broke.

I think that it's the cable to the front derailleur.

Hmmm . . .

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_1.jpg

In the first picture, there seems to be another gear cable loose--see
the wire running from the tail of the infamous vermin down toward the
bottom of the front sprocket?

Again, no tension--something broke.

So if I had to guess why the chain and rear derailleur are all goofed
up in the first picture, I'd guess that the gear cables were yanked so
hard that things broke on both derailleurs when the vermin met its
just reward and everything snapped back into the downtube, tangling
the gear cables.

With the chain off the front and the rear derailleur possibly broken,
the first picture may look like a broken rear axle.

And the rear axle could really be broken, if the bike went down hard
on the derailleur side when the fork legs broke backward.

Of course, the dead squirrel's buddies might have rushed up and tried
to tear the rear wheel apart before the rider's friends drove them
off.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Quoted message said:

On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 15:55:04 -0700, "* * Chas" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:18:01 -0700, Fred Fredburger <[email hidden]>
wrote:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

>
>I do not understand how this could happen. I've had squirrels run

into

Quoted message said:

>my spokes and birds try to fly through. They thrum along a couple
>spokes and bounce off. Probably a little worse for wear.
>
>The squirrels may have evil intent but they lack an effective

mechanism.

Quoted message said:

Dear Fred,

You're absolutely right, no squirrel could fit into my 20-spoke--

Urrk!

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_1.jpg

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_2.jpg

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_3.jpg

"The only good squirrels I ever saw were dead."
--Major General Philip H. Squirreldan

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

In the 1st picture it looks like the bike has a broken rear axle or hub.
How did the squirrel cause that?

Chas.

Dear Chas.,

Hmmm . . .

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_2.jpg

In the second picture, the vicious rodent is still clutching a gear
cable in a death-grip.

The gear cable obviously has no tension--something broke.

I think that it's the cable to the front derailleur.

Hmmm . . .

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_1.jpg

In the first picture, there seems to be another gear cable loose--see
the wire running from the tail of the infamous vermin down toward the
bottom of the front sprocket?

Again, no tension--something broke.

So if I had to guess why the chain and rear derailleur are all goofed
up in the first picture, I'd guess that the gear cables were yanked so
hard that things broke on both derailleurs when the vermin met its
just reward and everything snapped back into the downtube, tangling
the gear cables.

With the chain off the front and the rear derailleur possibly broken,
the first picture may look like a broken rear axle.

And the rear axle could really be broken, if the bike went down hard
on the derailleur side when the fork legs broke backward.

Of course, the dead squirrel's buddies might have rushed up and tried
to tear the rear wheel apart before the rider's friends drove them
off.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Hmmm . . .

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_1.jpg

The more I look at the first picture, the more I think I was wrong.

There's only one gear cable dangling. The cable running from the tail
of the rodent to the front sprocket is the same cable seen in the
second picture:

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_2.jpg

You can see the rear derailleur cable still running down the frame
tube in the third pciture:

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_3.jpg

It looks as if the front wheel and the fork broke backward and toward
the rider's left knee, tearing off the gear cable on that side, but
not the other side.

CF

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http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_2.jpg

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Thanks for the [new] wallpaper
--
Slack

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On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 15:55:04 -0700, "* * Chas" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:18:01 -0700, Fred Fredburger

<[email hidden]>

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> wrote:
>
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> >
> >I do not understand how this could happen. I've had squirrels

run

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into
> >my spokes and birds try to fly through. They thrum along a

couple

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> >spokes and bounce off. Probably a little worse for wear.
> >
> >The squirrels may have evil intent but they lack an effective
mechanism.
>
> Dear Fred,
>
> You're absolutely right, no squirrel could fit into my 20-spoke--
>
> Urrk!
>
> http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_1.jpg
>
> http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_2.jpg
>
> http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_3.jpg
>
> "The only good squirrels I ever saw were dead."
> --Major General Philip H. Squirreldan
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Fogel
In the 1st picture it looks like the bike has a broken rear axle or

hub.

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How did the squirrel cause that?

Chas.

Dear Chas.,

Hmmm . . .

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_2.jpg

In the second picture, the vicious rodent is still clutching a gear
cable in a death-grip.

The gear cable obviously has no tension--something broke.

I think that it's the cable to the front derailleur.

Hmmm . . .

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_1.jpg

In the first picture, there seems to be another gear cable loose--see
the wire running from the tail of the infamous vermin down toward the
bottom of the front sprocket?

Again, no tension--something broke.

So if I had to guess why the chain and rear derailleur are all goofed
up in the first picture, I'd guess that the gear cables were yanked

so

Quoted message said:

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hard that things broke on both derailleurs when the vermin met its
just reward and everything snapped back into the downtube, tangling
the gear cables.

With the chain off the front and the rear derailleur possibly broken,
the first picture may look like a broken rear axle.

And the rear axle could really be broken, if the bike went down hard
on the derailleur side when the fork legs broke backward.

Of course, the dead squirrel's buddies might have rushed up and tried
to tear the rear wheel apart before the rider's friends drove them
off.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Hmmm . . .

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_1.jpg

The more I look at the first picture, the more I think I was wrong.

There's only one gear cable dangling. The cable running from the tail
of the rodent to the front sprocket is the same cable seen in the
second picture:

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_2.jpg

You can see the rear derailleur cable still running down the frame
tube in the third pciture:

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-016/PoorSquirrel_3.jpg

It looks as if the front wheel and the fork broke backward and toward
the rider's left knee, tearing off the gear cable on that side, but
not the other side.

CF

Looking at the 1st picture again, it looks like the rear sprockets are
OK. The bike has vertical dropouts so it's an optical illusion that the
axle was broken.

It looks like maybe the squirrel got caught in the spokes and caused the
rider to run into something like the back of a car which resulted in the
broken forks???

Wonder if Trek's warranty covers damage by squirrels?

Chas.

* * Chas said:

<[email hidden]> wrote

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It looks as if the front wheel and the fork broke backward and toward
the rider's left knee, tearing off the gear cable on that side, but
not the other side.

Quoted message said:

Looking at the 1st picture again, it looks like the rear sprockets are
OK. The bike has vertical dropouts so it's an optical illusion that the
axle was broken.

It looks like maybe the squirrel got caught in the spokes and caused the
rider to run into something like the back of a car which resulted in the
broken forks???

Nope - that's a classic squirrel fork break. Happened to a good
friend of mine (who was probably bigger, was going faster, and who was
attacked by a larger squirrel). His incident sheared off both legs of
his (carbon) fork completely.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame

Mark Hickey said:

* * Chas said:

<[email hidden]> wrote

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It looks as if the front wheel and the fork broke backward and toward
the rider's left knee, tearing off the gear cable on that side, but
not the other side.

Quoted message said:

Looking at the 1st picture again, it looks like the rear sprockets are
OK. The bike has vertical dropouts so it's an optical illusion that the
axle was broken.

It looks like maybe the squirrel got caught in the spokes and caused the
rider to run into something like the back of a car which resulted in the
broken forks???

Nope - that's a classic squirrel fork break. Happened to a good
friend of mine (who was probably bigger, was going faster, and who was
attacked by a larger squirrel). His incident sheared off both legs of
his (carbon) fork completely.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame

Same thing happened in Prospect Park last year. In that case, the rider
didn't look a whole lot better than the Kamikaze squirrel.

Do we think that steek forks would have held up better? Bent instead of
catastrophic break? (Not that any material would have saved the rider
from a faceplant.)

/s

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Mark Hickey said:

* * Chas said:

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> It looks as if the front wheel and the fork broke backward and

toward

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> the rider's left knee, tearing off the gear cable on that side,

but

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> not the other side.

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Looking at the 1st picture again, it looks like the rear sprockets

are

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OK. The bike has vertical dropouts so it's an optical illusion that

the

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axle was broken.

It looks like maybe the squirrel got caught in the spokes and

caused the

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rider to run into something like the back of a car which resulted

in the

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broken forks???

Nope - that's a classic squirrel fork break. Happened to a good
friend of mine (who was probably bigger, was going faster, and who

was

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attacked by a larger squirrel). His incident sheared off both legs

of

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his (carbon) fork completely.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame

Same thing happened in Prospect Park last year. In that case, the

rider

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didn't look a whole lot better than the Kamikaze squirrel.

Do we think that steek forks would have held up better? Bent instead

of

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catastrophic break? (Not that any material would have saved the rider
from a faceplant.)

/s

Down in Appalachia and the Ozarks they have a cure for this kind of
thing - Squirrel Head Stew!