Death by V-Brake?

Just zis Guy said:

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experience.

No, but others do prefer to go by evidence rather than anecdote.

Guy
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See! I knew that was coming. Guy, if nothing else you are consistent-
and thus predictable.

Just zis Guy said:

I submit that on or about 26 Sep 2005 12:58:11 -0700, the person known
to the court as "rdclark" <[email hidden]> made a statement
(<[email hidden]> in Your
Honour's bundle) to the following effect:

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McNally was riding his bicycle on the sidewalk and apparently stopped
short at a red light at the intersection of Tyson and Rowland Avenues.
He ejected from the bike into the intersection and was run over by an
oncoming car, Sgt. Albert Gramlich said. The accident is under
investigation.

I think what this comes down to is that he was 'speeding' on the
sidewalk, something that any sane person would object to.
Bill

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Ending up in the traffic stream at an awkward moment is a known risk
with sidewalk riding, and is one of the reasons why it has been found
by several studies to be more dangerous than riding with the traffic.

Guy

Just zis Guy said:

I submit that on or about 27 Sep 2005 14:57:38 -0700, the person known
to the court as "Ken M" <[email hidden]> made a statement
(<[email hidden]> in Your
Honour's bundle) to the following effect:

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Ending up in the traffic stream at an awkward moment is a known risk
with sidewalk riding, and is one of the reasons why it has been found
by several studies to be more dangerous than riding with the traffic.

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You need some 'study' to tell you that? I learned that from personal
experience.

No, but others do prefer to go by evidence rather than anecdote.

No offense, but there are just some things that you don't really need a
'study' to figure out. But on the other hand if thats one of the things
you like to read, all the more power to you. Personally I find reading
studies to be mostly pretty boring, however there have been some
exceptions.

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Guy
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85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

I submit that on or about 28 Sep 2005 05:13:39 -0700, the person known
to the court as "Ken M" <[email hidden]> made a statement
(<[email hidden]> in Your
Honour's bundle) to the following effect:

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> Ending up in the traffic stream at an awkward moment is a known risk
> with sidewalk riding, and is one of the reasons why it has been found
> by several studies to be more dangerous than riding with the traffic.

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You need some 'study' to tell you that? I learned that from personal
experience.

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No, but others do prefer to go by evidence rather than anecdote.

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No offense, but there are just some things that you don't really need a
'study' to figure out.

You'd think so, but our Department for Transport still persists in
saying that cycle facilities "can make your journey safer - use them
where practicable". The fact that the available evidence tends to
point the other way, and most experienced cyclists already knew this
empirically anyway, does not seem to have affected their view.

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But on the other hand if thats one of the things
you like to read, all the more power to you. Personally I find reading
studies to be mostly pretty boring, however there have been some
exceptions.

Some are more interesting than others :-)

Guy
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May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

I submit that on or about 27 Sep 2005 15:07:26 -0700, the person known
to the court as "gds" <[email hidden]> made a statement
(<[email hidden]> in Your
Honour's bundle) to the following effect:

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See! I knew that was coming. Guy, if nothing else you are consistent-
and thus predictable.

Far be it from me to disappoint :-)

Guy
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http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

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<[email hidden]>,

Leo Lichtman said:

<[email hidden]> wrote: (clip) Rider simultaneously jumps off saddle to
apply feet to sidewalk. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Every part of the sequence you hypothesize seems plausible to me, EXCEPT the
one quoted above. I can't imagine applying full brakes, and simultaneously
jumping off the seat and planting one's feet. (Especially if he was clipped
in, which we don't know.)

The part about the front of the bike nose-diving, whether due to front
shocks, or a gutter, or a curb drop-off seems very plausible. (I went over
the handlebars on my maiden voyage on Rock Shox, when my front wheel hit a
root.)

Obviously a disc brake ejection.

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Michael Press

Michael Press said:

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<[email hidden]>,

Leo Lichtman said:

<[email hidden]> wrote: (clip) Rider simultaneously jumps off saddle to
apply feet to sidewalk. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Every part of the sequence you hypothesize seems plausible to me, EXCEPT the
one quoted above. I can't imagine applying full brakes, and simultaneously
jumping off the seat and planting one's feet. (Especially if he was clipped
in, which we don't know.)

The part about the front of the bike nose-diving, whether due to front
shocks, or a gutter, or a curb drop-off seems very plausible. (I went over
the handlebars on my maiden voyage on Rock Shox, when my front wheel hit a
root.)

Obviously a disc brake ejection.

Thats possible, my first time with discs I almost went over. I guess if
he was new to disc brakes and did a panic stop that could explain the
outcome.

Ken

Michael Press wrote: Obviously a disc brake ejection.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ken M wrote: Thats possible, my first time with discs I almost went over.
I guess if he was new to disc brakes and did a panic stop that could explain
the outcome.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
*IF* the victim was using disc brakes, then the above comments are valid.
Original subject line says: "Death by V-brake." Nothing in the article
says what kind of brake it was.

If, indeed, it WAS a disk brake, then, Michael, what did you mean by "disk
brake ejection"? When I read it I took it to mean that the brake caliper
caused the front axle to slip out of the drop-outs. That would certainly
cause the rider to go over the handlebars.

Ken, in all the time I have been reading this Group, I have seen advantages
of disk brakes listed, such as immunity to mud, and elimination of rim wear.
I do not recall reading about such an obvious advantage as substantially
increased braking ability. Am I woefully unaware of something as important
as that?

Leo Lichtman said:

Michael Press wrote: Obviously a disc brake ejection.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ken M wrote: Thats possible, my first time with discs I almost went over.
I guess if he was new to disc brakes and did a panic stop that could explain
the outcome.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
*IF* the victim was using disc brakes, then the above comments are valid.
Original subject line says: "Death by V-brake." Nothing in the article
says what kind of brake it was.

If, indeed, it WAS a disk brake, then, Michael, what did you mean by "disk
brake ejection"? When I read it I took it to mean that the brake caliper
caused the front axle to slip out of the drop-outs. That would certainly
cause the rider to go over the handlebars.

Ken, in all the time I have been reading this Group, I have seen advantages
of disk brakes listed, such as immunity to mud, and elimination of rim wear.
I do not recall reading about such an obvious advantage as substantially
increased braking ability. Am I woefully unaware of something as important
as that?

Well in my limited experience, I have found the braking to be better
with disc brakes, but I have limited experience with other braking
systems.

Ken