Death By Medicine

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Subject: Death By Medicine
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Date: 3/5/2004 11:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
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EOM once again exposed!!

Thanks Anth and good luck with your cleanse, it is great you are doing this.

Jan

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Others have pointed out that such articles involve spurious extrapolations from usually twenty and
thirty year old figures which involve their own selectivity of data and other extrapolations.
Lazarou's figures have been torn apart many times. (This is not to deny that adverse events and
medical error are not real problems and that many of them are avoidable. )

What I would like to ask is why an article supposed to be supporting nutritional supplements against
a perceived attack can find nothing positive to say about their medical usefulness? It is akin to
the tactics of the "alternative" cancer industry which publishes volumes about the perceived
failings of conventional cancer treatment (aided by the openness with which that is conducted) and
nothing but "come hither" hints and teasers about its own true results.

Peter Moran

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Others have pointed out that such articles involve spurious extrapolations

from usually twenty and thirty year old figures which involve their own

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selectivity of data and other extrapolations

Others as in the *gang*.

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Lazarou's figures have been torn apart many times.

YEAH, like Dr Burzynski was torn apart.

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(This is not to deny that adverse events and medical error are not real problems and that many of
them are avoidable. )

As in, how many???????

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What I would like to ask is why an article supposed to be supporting nutritional supplements
against a perceived attack can find nothing positive to say about their medical usefulness?

Oh they can, just not in *this* article.

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It is akin to the tactics of the "alternative" cancer industry which publishes volumes about the
perceived failings of conventional cancer treatment (aided by the openness with which that is
conducted) and nothing but "come hither" hints and teasers about its own true results.

WRONG.

How soon you forget!!!!!

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DR BURZYNSKI, M.D.

"What made Dr Burzynski a threat to the cancer industry from the beginning was the prospect that
antineoplaston therapy represented a successful alternative to toxic and dangerous chemotherapy
drugs, upon which most of the cancer industry’s profits depend. Did the NCI pick up the tab for
completing his research? Did the ACS help with favourable publicity? Of course not. The minute NCI
saw evidence of antineoplastons working they distorted the data by withdrawing the 2 successful
patients and thus the evidence. NCI’s conduct towards him is a striking example of how an agency
presumed to be objective can set up a study that will either prove or disprove anything it wants.
In this case, there is clear evidence that NCI wanted to prove antineoplastons

didn’t

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work."—John Diamond, M.D. & Lee Cowden, M.D.

"Without exception, all the oncologists I talked to about Dr Burzynski were scornful and hostile.
Twenty- five years of practicing unconventional medicine did not prepare me for what I discovered.
Delving into attitudes, actions, and beliefs of modern oncologists was like opening a box of cereal
and finding it full of worms. They just don’t care….The question I kept asking was why, and the
answer to that question gradually began to creep out: Dr Burzynski’s discovery threatens one of
the largest and most lucrative industries in the history of mankind, the cancer treatment industry.

All those radiation machines and doctors who run them

All those chemotherapy drugs and the doctors who prescribe them

All those so called studies that just juggle the doses of chemo & radiation, and

All those surgeons who have been flailing at cancer for over a 100 years

If it (antineoplastons) is allowed to flourish, it renders obsolete the entire cancer treatment
industry. He has discovered a non-toxic treatment that is about as close to cure as we have ever
seen. If you think the lumber jacks in the Pacific Northwest were scornful of the spotted owl, you
haven’t seen anything yet….

Also it is not just about money, it is about strongly held beliefs, beliefs that have meshed with
the personality of virtually everyone in the cancer treatment industry, especially the physicians.
In short, these beliefs are that cancer can only be treated with therapies that mutilate, poison,
or burn the patient, in the hope that they "kill" the cancer…..Therefore, each patient who is
miraculously cured by Burzynski’s nontoxic therapy is not viewed as a breakthrough, or even as
something good, but rather as a dangerous messenger of heresy, a terrible threat to their
beliefs."—Dr Whitaker, M.D.

"Typical of Burzynski's extraordinary results were the outcomes for early groups of advanced cancer
patients treated with antineoplastons: 60 percent enjoyed objective remission, 47 percent
experienced complete remission, and 20 percent survived for over five years without cancer. These
and other results are far superior to anything reported then or now for standard cancer treatments.
(For example, in 1985 interleukin-2 was heavily promoted by orthodoxy, supposedly as a highly
promising new treatment after a single study showed it to have been associated with a complete
remission from cancer in only one patient out of twenty-four treated -- a positive response rate of
only fourpercent!)."--Barry Chowka members.aol.comcancer94.htmlOpen ↗

Fly to Texas.

Dr Burzynski Research Institute Home page catalog.combri.htmOpen ↗ /"]http:[email hidden]/

Burzynski Patient Group Directory burzynskipatientgroup.orgstories.htmOpen ↗

Ralph Moss on Burzynski saga ralphmoss.comburz.htmlOpen ↗

Testimony of Raphaele Moreau-Horwin & Michael Horwin

Choices in Healing by Michael Lerner commonwealhealth.orgchoicescontents.htmlOpen ↗

Happy Brain Cancer Statistics

Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski took the FDA to court for slander. The FDA was telling oncologists that he
and his cancer medicine were frauds, but Dr. Burzynski won the case and the FDA was issued a
cease and desist order.

To prove his case, Dr. Burzynski asked a respected oncologist specializing in brain cancer, Dr.
Robert Burdick, to review his patient records and act as an expert witness. The full text of the
statement is reproduced on the Burzynski Research Institute's site:

cancermed.comcancermed.comOpen ↗

If the text of the statement was not true, Dr. Burzynski would loose his medical license
and clinic.

In the statement, Dr. Robert Burdick stated that primary brain cancer goes into remission 1 in 500+
times, regardless of treatment, but that he documented 17 cases of remission in 40 total cases of
primary brain cancer enrolled in one of Dr. Burzynski's phase I trials. He stated with authority
that the antineoplaston medicine must be responsible.

Dr. Burzynski beat the primary brain cancer odds by more than 21250% Let the skeptics argue with
that!

The FDA hauled Dr. Burzyski before 4 grand juries, none of which found him guilty of anything. When
they announced a fifth grand jury trial, angry voices were raised in congress and the FDA quickly
dropped its charges.

The FDA tried its best to jail Dr. Burzynski without any proof of wrong doing, and if they had
succeeded the medicine that he and his large staff of doctors are testing would have been
effectively suppressed. As it is, justice prevailed and 72 phase II trials are currently in
progress.

The amazing results of his medicin are not limited to primary brain cancer. They include all the
major cancers, and are far better for the major cancers. The medicine is non-toxic.

Too bad the oncologists and skeptics here will get mad at me for pointing this out. Too bad that,
like the FDA, they don't want you to know about it.

Jan

The cleanse if off for a few days - until I drink enough apple juice, just so I don't get no flack
from people who said I didn't do this or that etc. Anth

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Subject: Death By Medicine From: "Anth" [email hidden] Date: 3/5/2004 11:14 AM Pacific
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EOM once again exposed!!

Thanks Anth and good luck with your cleanse, it is great you are doing

this.

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Jan

(LEF is a fairly credible source) Anth

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Others have pointed out that such articles involve spurious extrapolations from usually twenty and
thirty year old figures which involve their own selectivity of data and other extrapolations.
Lazarou's figures have

been

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torn apart many times. (This is not to deny that adverse events and medical error are not real
problems and that many of them are avoidable. )

What I would like to ask is why an article supposed to be supporting nutritional supplements
against a perceived attack can find nothing positive to say about their medical usefulness? It is
akin to the

tactics

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of the "alternative" cancer industry which publishes volumes about the perceived failings of
conventional cancer treatment (aided by the openness with which that is conducted) and nothing but
"come hither" hints and teasers about its own true results.

Peter Moran

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(LEF is a fairly credible source) Anth

(Gary Null isn't.)

Peter Moran

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Subject: Death By Medicine
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 3/5/2004 11:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
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lef.orgmar2004 awsi death 02.htmOpen ↗ Anth

EOM once again exposed!!

Thanks Anth and good luck with your cleanse, it is great you are doing this.

Jan

Add a little Da Huang, Rhubarb root, and you'll have a blast!

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Thanks for the link , I have sent it out to all my friends . This sort of stuff
needs to be posted regularly.

thanks Bew

Why is Gary Null not credible? I seem to recall that he travels a lot and keeps
records about which treatments seem to work or not? He is even responsible for
debunking a lot of treatments which show no effect. Anth

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(LEF is a fairly credible source) Anth

(Gary Null isn't.)

Peter Moran

Where does mainstream say anything positive about
alternative treatments? In fact, at the moment the pharma
companies are in the process of a disinformation war
against supplements. Sooner or later the truth is going to
come out. Anth

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Others have pointed out that such articles involve
spurious extrapolations from usually twenty and thirty
year old figures which involve their own selectivity of
data and other extrapolations. Lazarou's figures have

been

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torn apart many times. (This is not to deny that adverse
events and medical error are not real problems and that
many of them are avoidable. )

What I would like to ask is why an article supposed to be
supporting nutritional supplements against a perceived
attack can find nothing positive to say about their
medical usefulness? It is akin to the

tactics

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of the "alternative" cancer industry which publishes
volumes about the perceived failings of conventional
cancer treatment (aided by the openness with which that is
conducted) and nothing but "come hither" hints and teasers
about its own true results.

Peter Moran

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Where does mainstream say anything positive about
alternative treatments? In fact, at the moment the pharma
companies are in the process of a disinformation war
against supplements.

That's strange, considering that the pharma companies
manufacture most of the "supplelments".

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Sooner or later the truth is going to come out. Anth

It's out.

--Rich

That is untrue - there's herbs and other supplements. Anth

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Where does mainstream say anything positive about
alternative

treatments?

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In fact, at the moment the pharma companies are in the
process of a disinformation war against supplements.

That's strange, considering that the pharma companies
manufacture most of the "supplelments".

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Sooner or later the truth is going to come out. Anth

It's out.

--Rich

..and also stranger how they conspired to increase prices
when they discovered via Dr Rath that ascorbate has serious
implications for treating heart disease - all that research
money and useless drugs gone to waste. Your argument is
flawed, and you are also stupid considering the facts that
these guys are not batting for your side. When (and if) you
come down with heart disease you will have their 'drugs' -
good luck with them - I will have my ascorbate. Anth

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Where does mainstream say anything positive about
alternative

treatments?

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In fact, at the moment the pharma companies are in the
process of a disinformation war against supplements.

That's strange, considering that the pharma companies
manufacture most of the "supplelments".

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Sooner or later the truth is going to come out. Anth

It's out.

--Rich

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Anth said:

Where does mainstream say anything positive about
alternative treatments? In fact, at the moment the pharma
companies are in the process of a disinformation war
against supplements. Sooner or later the truth is going to
come out.

Anth is starting to remind me of that "Lazarus" character
in one of the early Star Trek episodes, who was rational
part of the time and irrational part of the time. (Turned
out it was two different people, which I suppose could be
the case here.)

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Others have pointed out that such articles involve
spurious extrapolations from usually twenty and thirty
year old figures which involve their own selectivity of
data and other extrapolations. Lazarou's figures have

been

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torn apart many times. (This is not to deny that adverse
events and medical error are not real problems and that
many of them are avoidable. )

What I would like to ask is why an article supposed to be
supporting nutritional supplements against a perceived
attack can find nothing positive to say about their
medical usefulness? It is akin to the

tactics

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of the "alternative" cancer industry which publishes
volumes about the perceived failings of conventional
cancer treatment (aided by the openness with which that
is conducted) and nothing but "come hither" hints and
teasers about its own true results.

Peter Moran

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Anth said:

Why is Gary Null not credible? I seem to recall that he
travels a lot and keeps records about which treatments seem
to work or not? He is even responsible for debunking a lot
of treatments which show no effect.

Name two. I've seen Null pushing all kinds of worthless
"alternative" therapies, but I don't recall ever seeing him
debunk one.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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(LEF is a fairly credible source) Anth

(Gary Null isn't.)

Peter Moran

David wants everyone to be a mirror of himself, which is
indicative of the ego trip that he runs on. I've seen people
like you come and go and boy did they go. Anth

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Where does mainstream say anything positive about
alternative treatments? In fact, at the moment the pharma
companies are in the process of a disinformation war
against supplements. Sooner or later the truth is going
to come out.

Anth is starting to remind me of that "Lazarus" character
in one of the early Star Trek episodes, who was rational
part of the time and irrational part of the time. (Turned
out it was two different people, which I suppose could be
the case here.)

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

David wants everyone to be a mirror of himself, which is
indicative of the ego trip that he runs on. I've seen
people like you come and go and boy did they go.

In your vast, what, few months of experience here? I'm so
impressed. I was here long before you arrived and I'll be
here long after you're gone, top-poster.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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<[email hidden]>, Anth

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Where does mainstream say anything positive about
alternative treatments? In fact, at the moment the
pharma companies are in the process of a disinformation
war against supplements. Sooner or later the truth is
going to come out.

Anth is starting to remind me of that "Lazarus" character
in one of the early Star Trek episodes, who was rational
part of the time and irrational part of the time. (Turned
out it was two different people, which I suppose could be
the case here.)

My father is bigger than your father etc. Anth

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Anth said:

David wants everyone to be a mirror of himself, which is
indicative of

the

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ego trip that he runs on. I've seen people like you come
and go and boy did they go.

In your vast, what, few months of experience here? I'm so
impressed. I was here long before you arrived and I'll be
here long after you're gone, top-poster.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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>Where does mainstream say anything positive about
>alternative

treatments?

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>In fact, at the moment the pharma companies are in the
>process of a disinformation war against supplements.
>Sooner or later the truth is going to come out.

Anth is starting to remind me of that "Lazarus"
character in one of the early Star Trek episodes, who
was rational part of the time and irrational part of
the time. (Turned out it was two different people,
which I suppose could be the case here.)

My father could lick your mother with both her hands tied
behind her back!

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My father is bigger than your father etc. Anth

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<[email hidden]>, Anth

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David wants everyone to be a mirror of himself, which
is indicative of

the

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ego trip that he runs on. I've seen people like you
come and go and boy did they go.

In your vast, what, few months of experience here? I'm
so impressed. I was here long before you arrived and
I'll be here long after you're gone, top-poster.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are
my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because
giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson,
MIT)

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> In article
> <[email hidden]>, Anth
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >Where does mainstream say anything positive about
> >alternative

treatments?

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> >In fact, at the moment the pharma companies are in
> >the process of a disinformation war against
> >supplements. Sooner or later the truth is going to
> >come out.
>
> Anth is starting to remind me of that "Lazarus"
> character in one of the early Star Trek episodes, who
> was rational part of the time and irrational part of
> the time. (Turned out it was two different

people,

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> which I suppose could be the case here.)