Death By Medicine

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Subject: Death By Medicine
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 3/5/2004 11:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
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http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_02.htm
Anth

EOM once again exposed!!

Thanks Anth and good luck with your cleanse, it is great you are doing this.

Jan

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http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_02.htm
Anth

Others have pointed out that such articles involve spurious extrapolations
from usually twenty and thirty year old figures which involve their own
selectivity of data and other extrapolations. Lazarou's figures have been
torn apart many times. (This is not to deny that adverse events and
medical error are not real problems and that many of them are avoidable. )

What I would like to ask is why an article supposed to be supporting
nutritional supplements against a perceived attack can find nothing
positive to say about their medical usefulness? It is akin to the tactics
of the "alternative" cancer industry which publishes volumes about the
perceived failings of conventional cancer treatment (aided by the openness
with which that is conducted) and nothing but "come hither" hints and
teasers about its own true results.

Peter Moran

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From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 3/5/2004 1:59 PM Pacific Standard Time
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http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_02.htm
Anth

Others have pointed out that such articles involve spurious extrapolations

from usually twenty and thirty year old figures which involve their own

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selectivity of data and other extrapolations

Others as in the *gang*.

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Lazarou's figures have been
torn apart many times.

YEAH, like Dr Burzynski was torn apart.

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(This is not to deny that adverse events and medical error are not real
problems and that many of them are avoidable. )

As in, how many???????

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What I would like to ask is why an article supposed to be supporting
nutritional supplements against a perceived attack can find nothing
positive to say about their medical usefulness?

Oh they can, just not in *this* article.

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It is akin to the tactics
of the "alternative" cancer industry which publishes volumes about the
perceived failings of conventional cancer treatment (aided by the openness
with which that is conducted) and nothing but "come hither" hints and
teasers about its own true results.

WRONG.

How soon you forget!!!!!

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http://www.whale.to/cancer/burzynski.html

DR BURZYNSKI, M.D.

"What made Dr Burzynski a threat to the cancer industry from the beginning
was
the prospect that antineoplaston therapy represented a successful alternative
to toxic and dangerous chemotherapy drugs, upon which most of the cancer
industry’s profits depend. Did the NCI pick up the tab for completing his
research? Did the ACS help with favourable publicity? Of course not. The
minute
NCI saw evidence of antineoplastons working they distorted the data by
withdrawing the 2 successful patients and thus the evidence. NCI’s conduct
towards him is a striking example of how an agency presumed to be objective
can
set up a study that will either prove or disprove anything it wants. In this
case, there is clear evidence that NCI wanted to prove antineoplastons

didn’t

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work."—John Diamond, M.D. & Lee Cowden, M.D.

"Without exception, all the oncologists I talked to about Dr Burzynski were
scornful and hostile. Twenty- five years of practicing unconventional
medicine
did not prepare me for what I discovered. Delving into attitudes, actions,
and
beliefs of modern oncologists was like opening a box of cereal and finding it
full of worms. They just don’t care….The question I kept asking was why,
and the answer to that question gradually began to creep out: Dr Burzynski’s
discovery threatens one of the largest and most lucrative industries in the
history of mankind, the cancer treatment industry.

All those radiation machines and doctors who run them

All those chemotherapy drugs and the doctors who prescribe them

All those so called studies that just juggle the doses of chemo & radiation,
and

All those surgeons who have been flailing at cancer for over a 100 years

If it (antineoplastons) is allowed to flourish, it renders obsolete the
entire
cancer treatment industry. He has discovered a non-toxic treatment that is
about as close to cure as we have ever seen. If you think the lumber jacks in
the Pacific Northwest were scornful of the spotted owl, you haven’t seen
anything yet….

Also it is not just about money, it is about strongly held beliefs, beliefs
that have meshed with the personality of virtually everyone in the cancer
treatment industry, especially the physicians. In short, these beliefs are
that
cancer can only be treated with therapies that mutilate, poison, or burn the
patient, in the hope that they "kill" the cancer…..Therefore, each patient
who is miraculously cured by Burzynski’s nontoxic therapy is not viewed as a
breakthrough, or even as something good, but rather as a dangerous messenger
of
heresy, a terrible threat to their beliefs."—Dr Whitaker, M.D.

"Typical of Burzynski's extraordinary results were the outcomes for early
groups of advanced cancer patients treated with antineoplastons: 60 percent
enjoyed objective remission, 47 percent experienced complete remission, and
20
percent survived for over five years without cancer. These and other results
are far superior to anything reported then or now for standard cancer
treatments. (For example, in 1985 interleukin-2 was heavily promoted by
orthodoxy, supposedly as a highly promising new treatment after a single
study
showed it to have been associated with a complete remission from cancer in
only
one patient out of twenty-four treated -- a positive response rate of only
fourpercent!)."--Barry Chowka http://members.aol.com/pbchowka/cancer94.html

Fly to Texas.

Dr Burzynski Research Institute Home page http://catalog.com/bri/bri.htm
http:[email hidden]/

Burzynski Patient Group Directory
http://www.burzynskipatientgroup.org/stories.htm

Ralph Moss on Burzynski saga http://www.ralphmoss.com/burz.html

Testimony of Raphaele Moreau-Horwin & Michael Horwin

Choices in Healing by Michael Lerner
http://www.commonwealhealth.org/choicescontents.html

Happy Brain Cancer Statistics

Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski took the FDA to court for slander.
The FDA was telling oncologists that he and his cancer
medicine were frauds, but Dr. Burzynski won the case
and the FDA was issued a cease and desist order.

To prove his case, Dr. Burzynski asked a respected
oncologist specializing in brain cancer, Dr. Robert
Burdick, to review his patient records and act as an
expert witness. The full text of the statement is
reproduced on the Burzynski Research Institute's site:

http://www.cancermed.com

If the text of the statement was not true, Dr. Burzynski
would loose his medical license and clinic.

In the statement, Dr. Robert Burdick stated that primary
brain cancer goes into remission 1 in 500+ times,
regardless of treatment, but that he documented
17 cases of remission in 40 total cases of primary
brain cancer enrolled in one of Dr. Burzynski's
phase I trials. He stated with authority that
the antineoplaston medicine must be responsible.

Dr. Burzynski beat the primary brain cancer odds by
more than 21250% Let the skeptics argue with that!

The FDA hauled Dr. Burzyski before 4 grand juries,
none of which found him guilty of anything. When
they announced a fifth grand jury trial, angry voices
were raised in congress and the FDA quickly dropped
its charges.

The FDA tried its best to jail Dr. Burzynski without any
proof of wrong doing, and if they had succeeded the medicine
that he and his large staff of doctors are testing would have
been effectively suppressed. As it is, justice prevailed and
72 phase II trials are currently in progress.

The amazing results of his medicin are not limited to
primary brain cancer. They include all the major cancers,
and are far better for the major cancers. The medicine
is non-toxic.

Too bad the oncologists and skeptics here will get mad
at me for pointing this out. Too bad that, like the FDA,
they don't want you to know about it.

Jan

The cleanse if off for a few days - until I drink enough apple juice, just
so I don't get no flack from people who said I didn't do this or that etc.
Anth

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Subject: Death By Medicine
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 3/5/2004 11:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
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http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_02.htm
Anth

EOM once again exposed!!

Thanks Anth and good luck with your cleanse, it is great you are doing

this.

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Jan

(LEF is a fairly credible source)
Anth

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http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_02.htm
Anth

Others have pointed out that such articles involve spurious extrapolations
from usually twenty and thirty year old figures which involve their own
selectivity of data and other extrapolations. Lazarou's figures have

been

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torn apart many times. (This is not to deny that adverse events and
medical error are not real problems and that many of them are avoidable. )

What I would like to ask is why an article supposed to be supporting
nutritional supplements against a perceived attack can find nothing
positive to say about their medical usefulness? It is akin to the

tactics

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of the "alternative" cancer industry which publishes volumes about the
perceived failings of conventional cancer treatment (aided by the openness
with which that is conducted) and nothing but "come hither" hints and
teasers about its own true results.

Peter Moran

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(LEF is a fairly credible source)
Anth

(Gary Null isn't.)

Peter Moran

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Subject: Death By Medicine
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 3/5/2004 11:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_02.htm
Anth

EOM once again exposed!!

Thanks Anth and good luck with your cleanse, it is great you are doing this.

Jan

Add a little Da Huang, Rhubarb root, and you'll have a blast!

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Subject: Re: Death By Medicine
From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
Date: 3/5/2004 4:12 PM Pacific Standard Time
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(LEF is a fairly credible source)
Anth

(Gary Null isn't.)

Peter Moran

Do tell us what alternative believing person is??

Jan

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http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_02.htm
Anth

Thanks for the link , I have sent it out to all my friends . This sort of
stuff needs to be posted regularly.

thanks
Bew

Why is Gary Null not credible?
I seem to recall that he travels a lot and keeps records about which
treatments seem to work or not?
He is even responsible for debunking a lot of treatments which show no
effect.
Anth

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(LEF is a fairly credible source)
Anth

(Gary Null isn't.)

Peter Moran

Where does mainstream say anything positive about alternative treatments?
In fact, at the moment the pharma companies are in the process of a
disinformation war against supplements.
Sooner or later the truth is going to come out.
Anth

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http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_02.htm
Anth

Others have pointed out that such articles involve spurious extrapolations
from usually twenty and thirty year old figures which involve their own
selectivity of data and other extrapolations. Lazarou's figures have

been

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torn apart many times. (This is not to deny that adverse events and
medical error are not real problems and that many of them are avoidable. )

What I would like to ask is why an article supposed to be supporting
nutritional supplements against a perceived attack can find nothing
positive to say about their medical usefulness? It is akin to the

tactics

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of the "alternative" cancer industry which publishes volumes about the
perceived failings of conventional cancer treatment (aided by the openness
with which that is conducted) and nothing but "come hither" hints and
teasers about its own true results.

Peter Moran

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Where does mainstream say anything positive about alternative treatments?
In fact, at the moment the pharma companies are in the process of a
disinformation war against supplements.

That's strange, considering that the pharma companies manufacture most of
the "supplelments".

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Sooner or later the truth is going to come out.
Anth

It's out.

--Rich

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Subject: Re: Death By Medicine
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 3/6/2004 5:15 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Where does mainstream say anything positive about alternative treatments?
In fact, at the moment the pharma companies are in the process of a
disinformation war against supplements.
Sooner or later the truth is going to come out.
Anth

anth...

cannot speak for "mainstream"....but as a practicing EOM health care
provider....I personally have always explained and advised..say
chiropractic,,massage ..where it seems appropriate...that ..in my mind
anyway..is MY acknowledge that these modalties can do wonders...I use them
myself..and have for years...

"supplements" are a bit more tenuous...I surely advise
calcium,,phosphate,,multivits..etc to most folks...but not in mega doses etc..

since the pharma companies themselves are the majority manufacturer of
"supplements" ie vits and minerals..etc...I believe the "war on disinformation"
is just that...get out the truth..regulate for purity etc...to me this is just
common sense..

hawki.....

That is untrue - there's herbs and other supplements.
Anth

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Where does mainstream say anything positive about alternative

treatments?

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In fact, at the moment the pharma companies are in the process of a
disinformation war against supplements.

That's strange, considering that the pharma companies manufacture most of
the "supplelments".

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Sooner or later the truth is going to come out.
Anth

It's out.

--Rich

...and also stranger how they conspired to increase prices when they
discovered via Dr Rath that ascorbate has serious implications for treating
heart disease - all that research money and useless drugs gone to waste.
Your argument is flawed, and you are also stupid considering the facts that
these guys are not batting for your side. When (and if) you come down with
heart disease you will have their 'drugs' - good luck with them - I will
have my ascorbate.
Anth

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Where does mainstream say anything positive about alternative

treatments?

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In fact, at the moment the pharma companies are in the process of a
disinformation war against supplements.

That's strange, considering that the pharma companies manufacture most of
the "supplelments".

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Sooner or later the truth is going to come out.
Anth

It's out.

--Rich

In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Why is Gary Null not credible?
I seem to recall that he travels a lot and keeps records about which
treatments seem to work or not?
He is even responsible for debunking a lot of treatments which show no
effect.

Name two. I've seen Null pushing all kinds of worthless "alternative"
therapies, but I don't recall ever seeing him debunk one.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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(LEF is a fairly credible source)
Anth

(Gary Null isn't.)

Peter Moran

In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Where does mainstream say anything positive about alternative treatments?
In fact, at the moment the pharma companies are in the process of a
disinformation war against supplements.
Sooner or later the truth is going to come out.

Anth is starting to remind me of that "Lazarus" character in one of
the early Star Trek episodes, who was rational part of the time and
irrational part of the time. (Turned out it was two different people,
which I suppose could be the case here.)

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_02.htm
Anth

Others have pointed out that such articles involve spurious extrapolations
from usually twenty and thirty year old figures which involve their own
selectivity of data and other extrapolations. Lazarou's figures have

been

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torn apart many times. (This is not to deny that adverse events and
medical error are not real problems and that many of them are avoidable. )

What I would like to ask is why an article supposed to be supporting
nutritional supplements against a perceived attack can find nothing
positive to say about their medical usefulness? It is akin to the

tactics

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of the "alternative" cancer industry which publishes volumes about the
perceived failings of conventional cancer treatment (aided by the openness
with which that is conducted) and nothing but "come hither" hints and
teasers about its own true results.

Peter Moran

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Subject: Re: Death By Medicine
From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 3/6/2004 1:19 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Why is Gary Null not credible?
I seem to recall that he travels a lot and keeps records about which
treatments seem to work or not?
He is even responsible for debunking a lot of treatments which show no
effect.

Name two.

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Why is Gary Null not credible?

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I've seen Null pushing all kinds of worthless "alternative"
therapies

You have seen what organized medicine has told you to see.

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Subject: Re: Death By Medicine
From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 3/6/2004 1:20 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Where does mainstream say anything positive about alternative treatments?
In fact, at the moment the pharma companies are in the process of a
disinformation war against supplements.
Sooner or later the truth is going to come out.

Anth is starting to remind me of that "Lazarus" character in one of
the early Star Trek episodes, who was rational part of the time and
irrational part of the time. (Turned out it was two different people,
which I suppose could be the case here.)

It is noted David didn't answer the questions just went into the rant mode.

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When you start whining about personalities,don't be surprised that it

generates comments about your own.
David Wright