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  1. Is there a standard or best way of dealing with dogs? Just got back from
    holiday, whilst there I hired a bike and did a few k, at one point two dogs
    got very aggressive and I discovered just how fast I could cycle ... faster
    than I ever thought possible, which was luckily for me faster than the dogs!
    I then had to take a large detour to make sure I didnt meet them on the way
    back!

    BTW, I did nothing to aggravate them....didnt shout at them or do anything
    other than cycle past the [censored].

    --
    Tumbleweed

    Remove my socks for email address

  2. Tumbleweed said:


    Is there a standard or best way of dealing with dogs? Just got back from
    holiday, whilst there I hired a bike and did a few k, at one point two dogs
    got very aggressive and I discovered just how fast I could cycle ... faster
    than I ever thought possible, which was luckily for me faster than the dogs!
    I then had to take a large detour to make sure I didnt meet them on the way
    back!

    BTW, I did nothing to aggravate them....didnt shout at them or do anything
    other than cycle past the [censored].

    i've found that to keep pedalling makes it worse and that the surprise
    of stopping and confronting them shocks them into submission.
    Waving a pump can help too.

    John B

  3. They're territorial, and you are the interloper. Often they don't really
    recognise a cyclist as being a 'person' ... so if you see a dog looking like
    they might take a run at you, it is often helpful to speak to them so they
    realize you are human and not some strange, swift adversary. Sometimes a
    friendly word is enough for a mildly concerned dog, but if they are at all
    aggressive, be very loud & commanding, and use the command words their master
    likely uses with them - STOP, HEEL, DOWN, etc. Of course, if you are in a
    foreign land, you may not know the words in the language the dog is familiar
    with, but commanding voice just the same is often enough to make the dog realize
    you are both not a threat, and are their superior.

    If you do end-up having to come off your bike - either because you are knocked
    down by the dog or it is the best option - use your bike as a shield to fend-off
    any attack.

    I have been dogged a few times, and it is unpleasant. Generally, the commanding
    voice has worked. Once, there was little opportunity, I was in farm country,
    passing 2 young boys playing in the ditch at the road by their farmhouse, and
    suddenly their dog (that I had not seen) was out of the ditch and at my pedals,
    defending his masters. The shock of it almost took me down, but adrenalin got
    the cranks turning and I darted out from his jaws, and dog soon decided I wasn't
    a threat anymore.

    On another occasion, I learned one other very important truism about dealing
    with dogs ... if you are cycling with mates, you don't have to outrun the dog,
    you just have to outrun one of your mates!

    Tumbleweed said:

    Is there a standard or best way of dealing with dogs? Just got back from
    holiday, whilst there I hired a bike and did a few k, at one point two dogs
    got very aggressive and I discovered just how fast I could cycle ... faster
    than I ever thought possible, which was luckily for me faster than the dogs!
    I then had to take a large detour to make sure I didnt meet them on the way
    back!

    BTW, I did nothing to aggravate them....didnt shout at them or do anything
    other than cycle past the [censored].

    --
    Tumbleweed

    Remove my socks for email address

  4. in message <[email hidden]>, JohnB ([email hidden]'😉

    Quoted message said:
    Tumbleweed said:


    Is there a standard or best way of dealing with dogs? Just got back
    from holiday, whilst there I hired a bike and did a few k, at one
    point two dogs got very aggressive and I discovered just how fast I
    could cycle ... faster than I ever thought possible, which was
    luckily for me faster than the dogs! I then had to take a large
    detour to make sure I didnt meet them on the way back!

    BTW, I did nothing to aggravate them....didnt shout at them or do
    anything other than cycle past the [censored].

    i've found that to keep pedalling makes it worse and that the surprise
    of stopping and confronting them shocks them into submission.
    Waving a pump can help too.

    Dealing with aggressive (or just playful) dogs can be difficult and (if
    they appear suddenly when you're travelling fast) decidedly scarey. A
    strategy I've found successful on occasion is to stand up on the pedals
    (make yourself look bigger) and aim directly at the dog. Most dogs will
    turn and run if you do this. Don't brake until/unless you really have
    to.

    I wouldn't stop in the presence of a potentially vicious dog.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
    "This young man has not the faintest idea how socialists think and does
    not begin to understand the mentality of the party he has been elected
    to lead. He is quite simply a liberal"
    -- Ken Coates MEP (Lab) of Tony Blair

  5. "JohnB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Tumbleweed said:


    Is there a standard or best way of dealing with dogs? Just got back from
    holiday, whilst there I hired a bike and did a few k, at one point two


    dogs

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    got very aggressive and I discovered just how fast I could cycle ...


    faster

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    than I ever thought possible, which was luckily for me faster than the


    dogs!

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    I then had to take a large detour to make sure I didnt meet them on the


    way

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    back!

    BTW, I did nothing to aggravate them....didnt shout at them or do


    anything

    Quoted message said:
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    other than cycle past the [censored].

    i've found that to keep pedalling makes it worse and that the surprise
    of stopping and confronting them shocks them into submission.
    Waving a pump can help too.

    John B

    I considered that for a second or two...but, they were two large dogs and I
    didnt fancy stopping on the grounds that if they were very aggressive I'd be
    a sitting target..with one dog I suppose you could always keep the bike
    between you and the dog, but even then you also have the problem of getting
    started again at low speed.
    Perhaps the trick is to see them far enough away and build up some speed so
    you get past them before they know what is happening?

    have you had any issue when restarting after stopping? I've got one of
    those ultrasonic dog things I must put a new battery in it and take it with
    me in future.

    --
    Tumbleweed

    Remove my socks for email address

  6. Tumbleweed said:

    Is there a standard or best way of dealing with dogs? Just got back from
    holiday, whilst there I hired a bike and did a few k, at one point two dogs
    got very aggressive and I discovered just how fast I could cycle ... faster
    than I ever thought possible, which was luckily for me faster than the dogs!
    I then had to take a large detour to make sure I didnt meet them on the way
    back!

    There's a [censored] of a dog on the Taff Trail south of Rhydyfelin. Goes
    for me every single time it's there - unfortunately, it lives on a farm
    next to barriers across the trail, so cyclists provide rich pickings for
    it.

    I've found shouting at it gets it to back away. The closest it's got is
    about a foot from my ankle, before I noticed and shouted. He dropped
    anchor in a cloud of dust.

    --
    Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/
    Surveillance makes me free

  7. On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:33:19 +0200, robert.clark
    <[email hidden]>

    was popularly supposed to have said:

    They're territorial, and you are the interloper. Often they don't really
    recognise a cyclist as being a 'person' ... so if you see a dog looking like
    they might take a run at you, it is often helpful to speak to them so they
    realize you are human and not some strange, swift adversary. Sometimes a
    friendly word is enough for a mildly concerned dog, but if they are at all
    aggressive, be very loud & commanding, and use the command words their master
    likely uses with them - STOP, HEEL, DOWN, etc. Of course, if you are in a

    Shout as loud as you can, as deep as your voice will go (to a dog, the deeper
    the voice the bigger and nastier the other dog is), and stop the bike
    as soon as you can.

    When you're stopped, quite often the shout will have done the trick and the
    dog will be in full retreat; if it isn't get the bike between you and it,
    and squirt a waterbottle at it.

    A faceful of water usually stops most dogs; it surprises them and makes you
    seem much, much more threatening. The other thing is, if the owner appears
    then immediately drink from the bottle (that way it cannot be anything
    poisonous, can it?).

    Don't try kicking dogs whilst you're still on a bike; it unbalances you and
    the last thing you need is to be lying on the ground with a dog after you.
    Wait while you're stopped before you put the dog in orbit with your foot 😉.

    Last thing: watch out for sheepdogs; they're evil sods and they're clever
    enough to try flank you, and attack from different sides if there's more than
    one. Sheepdogs, however, are almost always intimidated by waving a pump at
    'em...

    --
    Dan Holdsworth PhD [email hidden]
    By caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, By the beans of Java
    do thoughts acquire speed, hands acquire shaking, the shaking
    becomes a warning, By caffeine alone do I set my mind in motion

  8. As previously said on this thread, the best thing to do is to shout a
    familiar command as loud as you can, repeatedly.

    In Ireland what works best is "Get in". It's a command which all dogs who
    shouldn't be on the road understand.
    Water in the face is excellent, as is getting off the bike and running after
    them.

  9. Tumbleweed said:

    Is there a standard or best way of dealing with dogs? Just got back from
    holiday, whilst there I hired a bike and did a few k, at one point two dogs
    got very aggressive and I discovered just how fast I could cycle ... faster
    than I ever thought possible, which was luckily for me faster than the dogs!
    I then had to take a large detour to make sure I didnt meet them on the way
    back!

    BTW, I did nothing to aggravate them....didnt shout at them or do anything
    other than cycle past the [censored].

    Best not to run - they think they've won and give chase to reinforce the
    point. If they really are aggressive rather than just playful, go for
    aggression towards them - you are much bigger than them and they will nearly
    always back down. Tools are riding fast at them with a lot of shouting, water
    bottle squirt, getting off with bike between you and them and if necessary
    charging them with bike out in front. If its in the UK when you get home,
    report it to the Council as dogs like that should be kept under control and
    not allowed unsupervised on public rights of way.

    Tony

  10. I had a copy of Richard's Bicycle Book back in about 1980 (makes mental
    note to buy a new one)....If I remember rightly, it had a section on how
    to kill a rabid, attacking dog with your bicycle. Fascinating stuff

    ------------------------------------------
    (Cycle shorts may contain traces of nuts after a long ride)

    --

  11. FranklynMint said:

    I had a copy of Richard's Bicycle Book back in about 1980 (makes
    mental note to buy a new one)....If I remember rightly, it had a
    section on how to kill a rabid, attacking dog with your bicycle.

    ITYM "bicycle pump". Not sure how well a CO2 pump would perform, proibably
    another instance where the good old Zefal HPX is superior ;-)

    --
    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

  12. Just zis Guy said:


    FranklynMint said:

    I had a copy of Richard's Bicycle Book back in about 1980 (makes
    mental note to buy a new one)....If I remember rightly, it had a
    section on how to kill a rabid, attacking dog with your bicycle.

    ITYM "bicycle pump". Not sure how well a CO2 pump would perform, proibably
    another instance where the good old Zefal HPX is superior ;-)

    A CO2 cylinder placed strategically [1] and let off could be fun ;-)

    [1] I'll let you think where.

    John B

  13. JohnB said:
    Just zis Guy said:


    FranklynMint said:

    I had a copy of Richard's Bicycle Book back in about 1980 (makes
    mental note to buy a new one)....If I remember rightly, it had a
    section on how to kill a rabid, attacking dog with your bicycle.

    ITYM "bicycle pump". Not sure how well a CO2 pump would perform, proibably
    another instance where the good old Zefal HPX is superior ;-)

    A CO2 cylinder placed strategically [1] and let off could be fun ;-)

    Wasn't that how they killed the shark in Jaws 13?

    Quoted message said:

    [1] I'll let you think where.

    John B

  14. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    FranklynMint said:

    I had a copy of Richard's Bicycle Book back in about 1980 (makes
    mental note to buy a new one)....If I remember rightly, it had a
    section on how to kill a rabid, attacking dog with your bicycle.

    ITYM "bicycle pump". Not sure how well a CO2 pump would perform, proibably
    another instance where the good old Zefal HPX is superior ;-)

    I'm not absolutely certain that it requires an HPX to fight off a dog, but this
    is the principal reason why I always have a frame pump with me. Light as the
    Crank Brothers micropump is, it would make no impression on a dachshund even.
    --
    "You need to declare a jihad on your own ignorant ass."
    - Ed Dolan in alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent

  15. Quoted message said:

    it had a section on how to kill a rabid, attacking dog with
    your bicycle.

    You force the oxygen cylinder down it's throat and as it comes around to
    attack again shoot the cyclinder with your rifle. Always works for me.

    If accompanied by a companion an alternative is to push them off,
    preferably onto the pursuing mutt, and make a speedy escape.

    --

  16. anonymous coward said:
    JohnB said:
    Just zis Guy said:

    FranklynMint wrote:

    > I had a copy of Richard's Bicycle Book back in about 1980 (makes
    > mental note to buy a new one)....If I remember rightly, it had a
    > section on how to kill a rabid, attacking dog with your bicycle.

    ITYM "bicycle pump". Not sure how well a CO2 pump would perform, proibably
    another instance where the good old Zefal HPX is superior ;-)

    IIRC wrapping lead tape around inside the handle bit is recommended to
    improve its usefulness as a weapon.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A CO2 cylinder placed strategically [1] and let off could be fun ;-)

    Wasn't that how they killed the shark in Jaws 13?

    Didn't James Bond kill a shark that way in Live And Let Die?

  17. JohnB said:

    A CO2 cylinder placed strategically [1] and let off could be fun ;-)

    Persuading the mad dog to keep still while you do it could be
    challenging,

    --
    Dave...

    Get a bicycle. You will not regret it. If you live. - Mark Twain

  18. robert.clark said:

    They're territorial, and you are the interloper. Often they don't really
    recognise a cyclist as being a 'person' ...

    I always had a theory that they saw vehicles as a form of Wildebeest or
    Elk, to be heckled and hunted down by themselves and the rest of the pack.

    AC

  19. "JohnB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    A CO2 cylinder placed strategically [1] and let off could be fun ;-)

    [1] I'll let you think where.

    Unfortunately dogs have a habit of coming at you with the sharp gnashy bits
    at the front which makes access to suitable places more problematic.

    T

  20. Tumbleweed said:

    Is there a standard or best way of dealing with dogs? Just got back from
    holiday, whilst there I hired a bike and did a few k, at one point two dogs
    got very aggressive and I discovered just how fast I could cycle ... faster
    than I ever thought possible, which was luckily for me faster than the dogs!
    I then had to take a large detour to make sure I didnt meet them on the way
    back!

    BTW, I did nothing to aggravate them....didnt shout at them or do anything
    other than cycle past the [censored].

    The pesky little yappy chasey dog down the road doesn't any more since I
    slammed my brakes on with it inches behind my rear tyre. Bit off more than
    it could chew, and went off with it's tail between it's legs. Since then
    I've not seen it chase either me any other bike.

    --
    Trev

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