DEAD LIFT SUBSTITUTE

WooferBearATL said:

You may also want to add Glucosimine Condrotin and L Carinitine to your
supplementation. They will really help in recovery.

Didn't do squat for me.

In article <[email hidden]>, "jack"

Quoted message said:

I have been doing deadlifts for several weeks now and I love them. My
problem however is that they dont love me back. They are cousing pain
in my joints. I need to take a break from them but I dont want to
neglect the wuscles worked. What would make a sutable replacement for
deadlifts. At least for a little while while I rest the joints.

Power cleans.

--
Keith

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WooferBearATL said:

You may also want to add Glucosimine Condrotin and L Carinitine to your
supplementation. They will really help in recovery.

Didn't do squat for me.

I take the glucosamine and it does wonders. Takes about 6 weeks to kick in
though and you have to keep it up.

Fraser

Fraser Johnston said:

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WooferBearATL said:

You may also want to add Glucosimine Condrotin and L Carinitine to your
supplementation. They will really help in recovery.

Didn't do squat for me.

I take the glucosamine and it does wonders. Takes about 6 weeks to kick in
though and you have to keep it up.

If it would help me keep it up, I'd go for the stuff.

Yeah, I did take the entire course which was, IIRC, about 8 weeks. What
did help my knee was bicycle riding. Everything doesn't work for everybody.

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I have been doing deadlifts for several weeks now and I love them. My
problem however is that they dont love me back. They are cousing pain
in my joints. I need to take a break from them but I dont want to
neglect the wuscles worked. What would make a sutable replacement for
deadlifts. At least for a little while while I rest the joints.

Although I'm probably the only person here who does them, the one-armed
kettlebell [censored], a move usually done for strength/endurance either as
high rep sets or lots of low-rep sets on short rests, has kept my DL in
great shape during times when I've not deadlifted. My DL has usually
gone up at the end of a 4-6 week cycle that followed a period of several
months of no DL'ing while training for a kettlebell [censored] competition.
Particularly if you're new to deadlifting, this might be a worthwhile
alternative for you to explore. This strategy will likely _not_ result
in improvements for an experienced DL'er but, hey, you never know.

Just my opinion and all that.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

In article <[email hidden]>, "Steve Freides"

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"jack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I have been doing deadlifts for several weeks now and I love them. My
problem however is that they dont love me back. They are cousing pain
in my joints. I need to take a break from them but I dont want to
neglect the wuscles worked. What would make a sutable replacement for
deadlifts. At least for a little while while I rest the joints.

Although I'm probably the only person here who does them, the one-armed
kettlebell [censored], a move usually done for strength/endurance either as
high rep sets or lots of low-rep sets on short rests, has kept my DL in
great shape during times when I've not deadlifted. My DL has usually
gone up at the end of a 4-6 week cycle that followed a period of several
months of no DL'ing while training for a kettlebell [censored] competition.
Particularly if you're new to deadlifting, this might be a worthwhile
alternative for you to explore. This strategy will likely _not_ result
in improvements for an experienced DL'er but, hey, you never know.

Just my opinion and all that.

I do a one-handed barbell [censored], but I don't see it driving my deadlift up.

--
Keith

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In article <[email hidden]>, "Steve Freides"

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"jack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I have been doing deadlifts for several weeks now and I love them.
My
problem however is that they dont love me back. They are cousing
pain
in my joints. I need to take a break from them but I dont want to
neglect the wuscles worked. What would make a sutable replacement
for
deadlifts. At least for a little while while I rest the joints.

Although I'm probably the only person here who does them, the
one-armed
kettlebell [censored], a move usually done for strength/endurance either
as
high rep sets or lots of low-rep sets on short rests, has kept my DL
in
great shape during times when I've not deadlifted. My DL has usually
gone up at the end of a 4-6 week cycle that followed a period of
several
months of no DL'ing while training for a kettlebell [censored]
competition.
Particularly if you're new to deadlifting, this might be a worthwhile
alternative for you to explore. This strategy will likely _not_
result
in improvements for an experienced DL'er but, hey, you never know.

Just my opinion and all that.

I do a one-handed barbell [censored], but I don't see it driving my
deadlift up.

It's all about fixing weakness, me thinks. I've got lots of them and,
well, you don't. 🙂

All kidding aside, I don't think it's only the nature of the movement
itself, I think it's that there's some carryover from strength/endurance
work to strength work, and the strength/endurance work in the [censored]
hits the whole "posterior chain" and the shoulders as well, much like
the DL does. That's my theory, anyway, but it's only an experiment of
one as far as mfw is concerned, although you'll find lots of folks on
the DD forum who'll tell you that swings and/or snatches, trained for
strength/endurance, have helped their DL one-rep max.

The nice thing for me about strength/endurance work (and, btw, I think
you'll find a goodly number of folks on Bryce Lane's board -
http://b4.ezboard.com/btheironworks - who might agree with this) is that
is has at least some carryover for some people to both pure endurance
and pure strength activities.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

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--
Keith

In article <[email hidden]>, "Steve Freides"

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"Hobbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>, "Steve Freides"

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"jack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>I have been doing deadlifts for several weeks now and I love them.
>My
> problem however is that they dont love me back. They are cousing
> pain
> in my joints. I need to take a break from them but I dont want to
> neglect the wuscles worked. What would make a sutable replacement
> for
> deadlifts. At least for a little while while I rest the joints.

Although I'm probably the only person here who does them, the
one-armed
kettlebell [censored], a move usually done for strength/endurance either
as
high rep sets or lots of low-rep sets on short rests, has kept my DL
in
great shape during times when I've not deadlifted. My DL has usually
gone up at the end of a 4-6 week cycle that followed a period of
several
months of no DL'ing while training for a kettlebell [censored]
competition.
Particularly if you're new to deadlifting, this might be a worthwhile
alternative for you to explore. This strategy will likely _not_
result
in improvements for an experienced DL'er but, hey, you never know.

Just my opinion and all that.

I do a one-handed barbell [censored], but I don't see it driving my
deadlift up.

It's all about fixing weakness, me thinks. I've got lots of them and,
well, you don't. 🙂

All kidding aside, I don't think it's only the nature of the movement
itself, I think it's that there's some carryover from strength/endurance
work to strength work, and the strength/endurance work in the [censored]
hits the whole "posterior chain" and the shoulders as well, much like
the DL does. That's my theory, anyway, but it's only an experiment of
one as far as mfw is concerned, although you'll find lots of folks on
the DD forum who'll tell you that swings and/or snatches, trained for
strength/endurance, have helped their DL one-rep max.

The nice thing for me about strength/endurance work (and, btw, I think
you'll find a goodly number of folks on Bryce Lane's board -
http://b4.ezboard.com/btheironworks - who might agree with this) is that
is has at least some carryover for some people to both pure endurance
and pure strength activities.

Could be. My single-handed barbell [censored] is a pure power movement - I go
up to 135 lbs in it and focus on speed. As a general rule
strength/endurance can increase hypertrophy which can help drive up an
absolute strength move. So obviously it can happen.

--
Keith

In article <[email hidden]>,

Steve Freides said:

Although I'm probably the only person here who does them, the one-armed
kettlebell [censored],

Well, no, but you probably do a lot more of them than I do.

Seth
--
Who cares? Shut up and lift. -- Watson (the pencil neck) Davis

Paul Cassel said:

WooferBearATL said:

You may also want to add Glucosimine Condrotin and L Carinitine to
your supplementation. They will really help in recovery.

Didn't do squat for me.

I was the ultimate sceptic, but it did wonders for me. Really. But it
takes a month or so of taking it every day.
--
-Larry

Quoting Larry Hodges:

Quoted message said:

Paul Cassel said:

WooferBearATL said:

You may also want to add Glucosimine Condrotin and L Carinitine to
your supplementation. They will really help in recovery.

Didn't do squat for me.

I was the ultimate sceptic, but it did wonders for me. Really. But it
takes a month or so of taking it every day.

Do you take both or just one? What dosage?

Suze said:

Quoting Larry Hodges:

Quoted message said:

Paul Cassel said:

WooferBearATL wrote:

> You may also want to add Glucosimine Condrotin and L Carinitine to
> your supplementation. They will really help in recovery.
>
>
Didn't do squat for me.

I was the ultimate sceptic, but it did wonders for me. Really. But
it takes a month or so of taking it every day.

Do you take both or just one? What dosage?

Glucosamine HCI, 1500 mg with Chondrointin Sulfate, 1200 mg. Kirkland brand
from Costco.
--
-Larry

Quoting Larry Hodges:

Quoted message said:

Suze said:

Quoting Larry Hodges:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I was the ultimate sceptic, but it did wonders for me. Really. But
it takes a month or so of taking it every day.

Do you take both or just one? What dosage?

Glucosamine HCI, 1500 mg with Chondrointin Sulfate, 1200 mg. Kirkland brand
from Costco.

Thanks!

I'm going to give it a try.

DZ said:

Suze suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious said:

Quoting Larry Hodges:

Quoted message said:

Suze wrote:

>Quoting Larry Hodges:
>
>>I was the ultimate sceptic, but it did wonders for me. Really. But
>>it takes a month or so of taking it every day.
>
>Do you take both or just one? What dosage?

Glucosamine HCI, 1500 mg with Chondrointin Sulfate, 1200 mg.
Kirkland brand from Costco.

Thanks!
I'm going to give it a try.

It's not CI, it's Cl 🙂

I'm grald someone has less resistance to being pedantic than I do!

heh

I almost made the same comment. It's a bit different, HCl and an iodised
hydrocarbon :-)

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Glucosamine is at least 40 times more potent than glucose in inducing
insulin resistance (http://tinyurl.com/7srkm). One mechanism of
developing resistance is when glucose or glucosamine enter the
hexosamine pathway. Only 1-3% of glucose does that, but nearly all
glucosamine, by bypassing the key enzyme GFAT regulating the pathway.

mmmm...very interesting....

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People taking glucosamine in dosages commonly used for supplementation
don't show signs of development of insulin resistance and
diabetes. But these studies aren't long enough. It could be that
people supplementing with glucosamine are substantially increasing
their risk of diabetes some years from now.

With glucosamine, I'd find the lowest dose and lowest frequency that
works (i.e. X mg once in Y days) and not take any extra.

DZ

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DZ said:

Suze suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious said:

Quoting Larry Hodges:

Quoted message said:

Suze wrote:
> Quoting Larry Hodges:
>> I was the ultimate sceptic, but it did wonders for me. Really.
>> But it takes a month or so of taking it every day.
>
> Do you take both or just one? What dosage?

Glucosamine HCI, 1500 mg with Chondrointin Sulfate, 1200 mg.
Kirkland brand from Costco.

Thanks!
I'm going to give it a try.

It's not CI, it's Cl 🙂

DZ

Ah, so it is. I worked with a company named HCI for many years. I'll use
that as my excuse.
--
-Larry

Quoting DZ:

Quoted message said:

Glucosamine is at least 40 times more potent than glucose in inducing
insulin resistance (http://tinyurl.com/7srkm).

Yeow!

Quoted message said:

One mechanism of
developing resistance is when glucose or glucosamine enter the
hexosamine pathway. Only 1-3% of glucose does that, but nearly all
glucosamine, by bypassing the key enzyme GFAT regulating the pathway.
People taking glucosamine in dosages commonly used for supplementation
don't show signs of development of insulin resistance and
diabetes. But these studies aren't long enough. It could be that
people supplementing with glucosamine are substantially increasing
their risk of diabetes some years from now.

With glucosamine, I'd find the lowest dose and lowest frequency that
works (i.e. X mg once in Y days) and not take any extra.

Thanks much for the heads up.

(I'll definitely read those threads I just found where Elzi and others
were discussing this.)