Darts and Arrows

MartinM said:

Spotted this in another thread, I've always ridden _real_
audaxes before where someone gave you a route map and if
you got lost you could follow the others (or in the case
of yesterday's Dorset Coast you could follow the others
and get lost!), but how does one make a normal bike ride
into a dart or arrow please?

Eh?

Simonb said:

MartinM said:

Spotted this in another thread, I've always ridden
_real_ audaxes before where someone gave you a route map
and if you got lost you could follow the others (or in
the case of yesterday's Dorset Coast you could follow
the others and get lost!), but how does one make a
normal bike ride into a dart or arrow please?

Eh?

Seconded.

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MartinM said:

Spotted this in another thread, I've always ridden _real_
audaxes before where someone gave you a route map and if
you got lost you could follow the others (or in the case
of yesterday's Dorset Coast you could follow the others
and get lost!), but how does one make a normal bike ride
into a dart or arrow please?

I was trawling the Audax UK website the other day and I
came across the YH Dart in the calendar. It said you can
devise a Permanent either to or from a YH from somewhere
else (ones home I guess). The YH stamp and some local
receipts act as proof of the journey. So I guess you could
plan to ride to a YH 200km from home to get another Audax
under your belt. I think I saw it in the calendar section
under the title anywhere which crop up on certain dates, it
had an address and phone number I presume for someone who
will help you set it up.

MartinM said:

Spotted this in another thread, I've always ridden _real_
audaxes before where someone gave you a route map and if
you got lost you could follow the others (or in the case
of yesterday's Dorset Coast you could follow the others
and get lost!), but how does one make a normal bike ride
into a dart or arrow please?

See my other post, the calendar lists on th 25 th June a
360km Summer Arrow to York and 200km Summer Dart to York for
the CTC Rally.

I searched Google for Hostel Dart and found this link
amongst others

audax.uk.netcalsolo.phpOpen ↗

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Quoted message said:

MartinM said:

Spotted this in another thread, I've always ridden
_real_ audaxes before where someone gave you a route map
and if you got lost you could follow the others (or in
the case of yesterday's Dorset Coast you could follow
the others and get lost!), but how does one make a
normal bike ride into a dart or arrow please?

Quoted message said:

Eh?

These are Audax terms for types of 'home-made' ride.

'Darts' are shorter than 'Arrows'

Other 'Permanents' are also available (eg. 'Peneperipheral'
, 'Mesh' or 'Sea to Summit' rides.

I think the Audax Handbook or the website should tell you.

Basically you choose your route, plan where you'll get your
card stamped, write to the relevant Audax official a *long*
way ahead, giving details of your planned ride and enclosing
an sae, entry form and cheque.

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Helen Deborah Vecht said:

These are Audax terms for types of 'home-made' ride.

'Darts' are shorter than 'Arrows'

Other 'Permanents' are also available (eg.
'Peneperipheral' , 'Mesh' or 'Sea to Summit' rides.

I think the Audax Handbook or the website should tell you.

Basically you choose your route, plan where you'll get
your card stamped, write to the relevant Audax official a
*long* way ahead, giving details of your planned ride and
enclosing an sae, entry form and cheque.

So, you plan your own ride and then pay someone else so that
you can ride it? I know a much cheaper way of cycling.

Colin
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Simonb said:

MartinM said:

Spotted this in another thread, I've always ridden
_real_ audaxes before where someone gave you a route
map and if you got lost you could follow the others
(or in the case of yesterday's Dorset Coast you could
follow the others and get lost!), but how does one
make a normal bike ride into a dart or arrow please?

Eh?

Seconded.

Well I'm almost as in the dark; there are events called
darts and arrows which start from Anywhere in the diary, any
ideas? they are not Permanents AFAIK.

MartinM said:

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Simonb said:

MartinM wrote:
> Spotted this in another thread, I've always ridden
> _real_ audaxes before where someone gave you a route
> map and if you got lost you could follow the others (or
> in the case of yesterday's Dorset Coast you could
> follow the others and get lost!), but how does one make
> a normal bike ride into a dart or arrow please?

Eh?

Seconded.

Well I'm almost as in the dark; there are events called
darts and arrows which start from Anywhere in the diary,
any ideas? they are not Permanents AFAIK.

The York Rally ones end at the York Rally and start from
anywhere which is 200km /360km away. Hostel Darts
end/start at a YH.

Quoted message said:

These are Audax terms for types of 'home-made' ride.

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'Darts' are shorter than 'Arrows'

As I understood it (I may be wrong) they are typically timed events rather than specific distances - a Dart is typically 12 hours and an Arrow typically 24 hours.

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write to the relevant Audax official a *long* way ahead, giving details of your planned ride and enclosing

an sae, entry form and cheque.

Doesn't it have to be advertised in Arrivee and nominally open to other people to enter?

d.

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So, you plan your own ride and then pay someone else so that

you can ride it? I know a much cheaper way of cycling.

Yes, but then you might as well not do any Audax events. It all counts towards the cumulative distance awards - Brevet 5000, Super Randonneur, etc.

d.

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So, you plan your own ride and then pay someone else so
that you can ride it? I know a much cheaper way of
cycling.

Yebbut you can collect Audax points and a badge (at extra
cost) after paying an organiser £2 or so for a ride you were
going to do anyway.

If you're compulsively collecting these things, it
*might* matter.

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MartinM said:

Spotted this in another thread, I've always ridden
_real_ audaxes before where someone gave you a route map
and if you got lost you could follow the others (or in
the case of yesterday's Dorset Coast you could follow
the others and get lost!), but how does one make a
normal bike ride into a dart or arrow please?

I was trawling the Audax UK website the other day and I
came across the YH Dart in the calendar. It said you can
devise a Permanent either to or from

a

Quoted message said:

YH from somewhere else (ones home I guess). The YH stamp
and some local receipts act as proof of the journey. So I
guess you could plan to ride to

a

Quoted message said:

YH 200km from home to get another Audax under your belt. I
think I saw it

in

Quoted message said:

the calendar section under the title anywhere which crop
up on certain dates, it had an address and phone number I
presume for someone who will help you set it up.

So what is the difference between a 'Dart' and an 'Arrow'
? I note Helen said Arrows are shorter, but the York
Arrows seem to be longer than the Darts. When does a Dart
become an Arrow?

Rich

davek <[email hidden]>typed

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These are Audax terms for types of 'home-made' ride.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

'Darts' are shorter than 'Arrows'

Quoted message said:

As I understood it (I may be wrong) they are typically
timed events rather than specific distances - a Dart is
typically 12 hours and an Arrow typically 24 hours.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

write to the relevant Audax official a *long* way ahead,
giving details of your planned ride and enclosing

an sae, entry form and cheque.

Quoted message said:

Doesn't it have to be advertised in Arrivee and nominally
open to other people to enter?

Hostel Darts are in the Handbook as are the York Arrows at
Easter and the Rally. Then there are Dinner Darts and After-
Dinner Darts...

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So what is the difference between a 'Dart' and an 'Arrow'
? I note Helen said Arrows are shorter, but the York
Arrows seem to be longer than the Darts. When does a Dart
become an Arrow?

24 hours, 360km or 400km, I'm not quite sure. A L-O-N-G
way anyhow...

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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:45:37 GMT, davek <[email hidden]>

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Quoted message said:

So, you plan your own ride and then pay someone else
so that

you can ride it? I know a much cheaper way of cycling.

Yes, but then you might as well not do any Audax events.

I don't.

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It all counts towards the cumulative distance awards -
Brevet 5000, Super Randonneur, etc.

Hmm, I guess I just don't understand audax. I orienteer. At
what used to be called colour-coded events I can collect
colour badges if I meet the colour standard for a given
course three times in a period of time. At what were badge
events I could collect Bronze, Silver, or Gold (I wish!)
badges if I meet certain constraints. I don't collect any of
these badges as despite wanting to better myself from event
to event (but rarely doing so) I just run for the hell of
it. I guess that's why I don't audax.

Colin
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I just run for the hell of it. I guess that's why I
don't audax.

I don't ride Audax for the points/badges. I ride them
because it's a good way to ride at your own pace with
company drafting and taking turn s at the front of a group
if you choose or completely alone if you choose. It's also a
way to discover huge tracts of unspoilt countryside along
reliable and challenging routes which have been ridden by
people who often are local to a particular area and have a
very good knowledge of that area. I can't imagine finding
the time to plan out 200/300km routes which take in cycle-
friendly cafes/pubs, etc, on a weekly basis.

I also get out and ride for the hell of it from time to
time.

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MartinM said:

Spotted this in another thread, I've always ridden
_real_ audaxes before where someone gave you a route map
and if you got lost you could follow the others (or in
the case of yesterday's Dorset Coast you could follow
the others and get lost!), but how does one make a
normal bike ride into a dart or arrow please?

See my other post, the calendar lists on th 25 th June a
360km Summer Arrow to York and 200km Summer Dart to York
for the CTC Rally.

I searched Google for Hostel Dart and found this link
amongst others

audax.uk.netcalsolo.phpOpen ↗

Thanks to all who replied; still not going to do one
though ;-p

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I just run for the hell of it. I guess that's why I don't audax.

It's not the badges that has attracted me to audax - it's mostly for the kind of things Simon lists. Really it was the enthusiasm with which Simon Doughty talks about audax events in his Long Distance Cyclists Handbook that made me decide I wanted to have a go.

Of course I love just getting on my bike and going off on my own for the hell of it, but I also like riding with other people, and like Simon I like the idea of doing new routes in different places.

The badges are just a bonus. 😉

d.

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:24:55 GMT, davek <[email hidden]>

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I just run for the hell of it. I guess that's why I
don't audax.

It's not the badges that has attracted me to audax - it's
mostly for the kind of things Simon lists. Really it was
the enthusiasm with which Simon Doughty talks about audax
events in his Long Distance Cyclists Handbook that made me
decide I wanted to have a go.

Of course I love just getting on my bike and going off on
my own for the hell of it, but I also like riding with
other people, and like Simon I like the idea of doing new
routes in different places.

Thanks to you both for replying. I guess I understood
touring, as I do it, and I understood road racing as I see
nutters doing it but I have always wondered why audaxers
didn't do one of those rather than something that seemed to
be in the middle. I accept its about more than collecting
badges and I didn't mean to sully anyone else's activity---
BTW that's easy to do with orienteers we wear even more
ridiculous clothes than cyclists!

I still think the permannents are a bit of an odd idea but
having taken a look at Northern Climes I think I know why so
many cyclists go past my house.

Colin
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