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  1. Thanks to everyone who responded to my post on recumbents and old age,
    disability etc. There were some really moving and uplifiting thoughts in
    that thread.

    I was delighted to discover a local dealer in Paris, Rando-Cycles, 12th
    arr., who deals in a few models of recumbent trikes. He had a
    non-folding Scorpion available to try. He told me he was thinking of
    stocking the Greenspeed GT0 as well, and that he was hoping to have one
    to try at the upcoming world bike fair, Mondial des Deux Roues, in Paris
    at the end of September. If that trial arouses enough customer interest
    he will stock and support the GT0.

    I tried the Scorpion. Weird experience, pushing out from the belly like
    that! It does indeed seem very comfortable, except for getting in and
    out of it, a much bigger liability than I had anticipated! I suppose one
    gets used to it and eventually develops a technique, but overall I found
    it harder than a narrow bathtub, which is why I take showers! Unlike the
    Scorpion, with a Greenspeed you can have optional grab-handles
    installed, which should make this easier.

    The guy was full of information. He said he wasn't interested in
    stocking the folding Greenspeed models (GT3/5) because their 18" wheel
    size is so hard to support in France. Already with Flyzipper's 35-406
    rims I have a problem. The 18" wheels would mean having to take
    pre-ordered replacement tyres and tubes wherever I go at all times,
    since the liklihood of finding these locally is close to nil. He also
    recommended a cromoly frame (Greenspeed) over an aluminum one
    (Scorpion), because he said it was much easier to repair and maintain
    over the very long term. This guy builds his own bikes, and can handle
    steel with a simple blow-torch, but apparently much more specialized
    equipment and skills are needed with aluminum.

    OTOH, I was impressed with the lightness of the Scorpion. I picked it up
    with a hand on the rack and on the headset, and it seemed scarcely
    heavier than Fly, and much lighter than Behemoth. Still a bit cumbersome
    to take up and down stairs though.

    I have contacted the lady in Derby and hope to pay her a visit on my
    next trip to the UK in August, to check out the other Greenspeeds and
    compare the GT5 with the GT0 (rim size notwithstanding). I also really
    need to see these things being folded or dismantled for travel.

    The Rando-cycles guy says there is a waiting period of about one and a
    half months between order and delivery of a recumbent. I have been
    looking at the ephemerides, and have found that the best day to take
    delivery of the trike would be March 6, 2008 - birthday of the most
    important romantic involvement of my life, and of Michelangelo
    Buonarotti. How do I feel about a Piscean bike? Glamorous certainly, but
    so vague! How does all that visionary artistic ability and subtle
    emotional intuition translate into bike terms? Perhaps it just means
    "tantalizingly attractive but permanently beyond my reach", as for the
    two Gay men I just mentioned? Currently my bikes are one Virgo and two
    Scorpios (Capricorn and Sagittarius ascendants respectively), and they
    all really do resemble their native charts. There are better days for a
    bike birthday in 2007, but too imminent to get the act together. Later
    in 2008 I'm getting very bad angles from outer planets, which stay
    active for many years, so it's March or a very long wait, perhaps never.
    That means I have to start putting aside a large portion of my monthly
    paycheck _immediately_, and cancel a solo tour along the Moselle that I
    was planning for late September.

    To cheer myself on that subject, I did a short off-the-cuff survey over
    lunch of how much my colleagues have to spend monthly on their cars,
    gas, insurance, maintenance and depreciation combined. They averaged
    about 300€. Surely I can meet the challenge of putting by at least that
    much! A recumbent trike starts to look really good financially when you
    see it like that! ;°>

    Cheers all,

    EFR
    Ile de France

  2. in message <[email hidden]>, Artemisia

    (') said:

    Thanks to everyone who responded to my post on recumbents and old age,
    disability etc. There were some really moving and uplifiting thoughts in
    that thread.

    I was delighted to discover a local dealer in Paris, Rando-Cycles, 12th
    arr., who deals in a few models of recumbent trikes. He had a
    non-folding Scorpion available to try. He told me he was thinking of
    stocking the Greenspeed GT0 as well, and that he was hoping to have one
    to try at the upcoming world bike fair, Mondial des Deux Roues, in Paris
    at the end of September. If that trial arouses enough customer interest
    he will stock and support the GT0.

    I tried the Scorpion. Weird experience, pushing out from the belly like
    that! It does indeed seem very comfortable, except for getting in and
    out of it, a much bigger liability than I had anticipated! I suppose one
    gets used to it and eventually develops a technique, but overall I found
    it harder than a narrow bathtub, which is why I take showers! Unlike the
    Scorpion, with a Greenspeed you can have optional grab-handles
    installed, which should make this easier.

    The German-made Anthrotech is much higher and more upright, and
    consequently should be much easier to get in and out:

    http://www.anthrotech.de/

    Their French agent is

    Montpellier On Avance ECOLOGIE & ECOMOBILITE 7 bis quai des Tanneurs
    033 4 67 100 777

    - which isn't exactly local for you!

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; Life would be much easier if I had the source code.

  3. Simon Brooke said:

    The German-made Anthrotech is much higher and more upright, and
    consequently should be much easier to get in and out:

    http://www.anthrotech.de/

    But as I think you already pointed out, the higher the trike, the lower
    the stability in cornering. And that thing is elegant, but doesn't look
    like it folds. Besides, it seems that the FX is a little higher than the
    non-folding Scorpion, and the GT0 too.

    But it could be worth a try. I'll see if Bikefix has one in stock for my
    coming London trip. As you say, Montpellier is no-where in my path.

    Cheers,

    EFR
    Ile de France

  4. Dont forget whilst you are in UK to check out http://www.ice.hpv.co.uk/
    IMO the best of all the trikes !

  5. Steve Watkin said:

    Dont forget whilst you are in UK to check out http://www.ice.hpv.co.uk/
    IMO the best of all the trikes !

    But I've already ruled out Trice because they don't come with SRAM
    DualDrive gear shifting that can be shifted at a standstill. I consider
    that an essential feature.

    EFR
    Ile de France

  6. Simon Brooke said:

    The German-made Anthrotech is much higher and more upright, and
    consequently should be much easier to get in and out:

    http://www.anthrotech.de/

    But as I think you already pointed out, the higher the trike, the lower
    the stability in cornering. And that thing is elegant, but doesn't look
    like it folds. Besides, it seems that the FX is a little higher than the
    non-folding Scorpion, and the GT0 too.

    But it could be worth a try. I'll see if Bikefix has one in stock for my
    coming London trip. As you say, Montpellier is no-where in my path.

    Cheers,

    EFR
    Ile de France

  7. Artemisia said:
    Steve Watkin said:

    Dont forget whilst you are in UK to check out http://www.ice.hpv.co.uk/
    IMO the best of all the trikes !

    But I've already ruled out Trice because they don't come with SRAM
    DualDrive gear shifting that can be shifted at a standstill. I consider
    that an essential feature.

    They must have stopped using them then, as mine is so equipped.

    John B

  8. John B said:
    Quoted message said:

    But I've already ruled out Trice because they don't come with SRAM
    DualDrive gear shifting that can be shifted at a standstill. I consider
    that an essential feature.

    They must have stopped using them then, as mine is so equipped.

    Worth noting that ICE do two ranges, the cheaper T, Q and S which
    have some degree of mass(ish) production to keep prices down and
    availability up, and the huge custom range. With the latter (which
    IIRC would include John's) you have a great deal more control over
    what is available and fitted, though I don't know the full extent
    of what they'll supply on the cheaper range.
    Ask them directly to be sure.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  9. Peter Clinch said:

    Worth noting that ICE do two ranges, the cheaper T, Q and S which have
    some degree of mass(ish) production to keep prices down and availability
    up, and the huge custom range.

    It says on their web-site that they are no longer offering the custom
    trices, because the demand for the standard models is already too high
    for their workshop to keep up. Otherwise, of course I would have kept
    them in the line-up, as a slight modification to the Trice T would have
    made it very viable.

    Overall, though, I'm thinking I really want a machine that can be
    delivered and serviced locally. Given that I have no maintenance skills
    and no LBSs that I trust, it's too much of a hassle to have a bike I can
    do nothing with if it goes wrong. After several years, Dahon finally has
    a Paris dealer (same guy in the 16th arr who sold me Behemoth), but it
    was a nightmare previously. Rando-Cycles supports Hase, Velotechnik and
    may decide to support Greenspeed. This consideration weighs heavily in
    the line-up.

    EFR
    Ile de France

  10. In news:[email hidden],
    Artemisia <[email hidden]> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:

    Quoted message said:

    He also
    recommended a cromoly frame (Greenspeed) over an aluminum one
    (Scorpion), because he said it was much easier to repair and maintain
    over the very long term.

    I'd not worry about that. HP Velotechnik's kit seems to be pretty nearly
    bulletproof.

    ICE, OTOH:

    http://legslarry.8bit.co.uk/BikeStull/borked2.jpg

    About as far away from Chalfont St Peter as it was possible to get while
    still being on the route of Saturday's 300 :-(

    Bah!

    --
    Dave Larrington
    <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
    External Transparent Wall Inspection Operative.

  11. In uk.rec.cycling Artemisia twisted the electrons to say:

    Quoted message said:

    I tried the Scorpion. Weird experience, pushing out from the belly like
    that! It does indeed seem very comfortable, except for getting in and
    out of it, a much bigger liability than I had anticipated!

    IIRC (because I've not had a go on one), on the Scorpion the 'arms' the
    front wheels are mounted on are swept back (or fowards I suppose,
    depending on your point of view!) which is supposed to make it easier to
    get on/off since your feet are closer to your bum. Also, the seat on the
    Scorpion FX is apparently 9cm slightly higher which should also make it
    slightly easier to get on/off.
    --
    These opinions might not even be mine ...
    Let alone connected with my employer ...

  12. Dave Larrington said:

    ICE, OTOH:

    http://legslarry.8bit.co.uk/BikeStull/borked2.jpg

    About as far away from Chalfont St Peter as it was possible to get
    while still being on the route of Saturday's 300 :-(

    Bah!

    Ups, unpleasant surprise. Could you specify the diameter and material of
    the broken tube. This is one of the trike's parts I never disassembled.
    Seems impossible to brake.

    F'up2 urc

    Günther

  13. Dave Larrington said:

    I should advice owners of Tricen to inspect this bolt regularly, as
    the consequences of it failing while one is plummetting merrily down some
    Scenery at R17 are too horrible to contemplate.

    But does that only happen on Tricen?

    EFR
    Ile de France

  14. In news:[email hidden],
    Artemisia <[email hidden]> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:

    Quoted message said:
    Dave Larrington said:

    I should advice owners of Tricen to inspect this bolt regularly, as
    the consequences of it failing while one is plummetting merrily down
    some Scenery at R17 are too horrible to contemplate.

    But does that only happen on Tricen?

    See reply to Rob Morley with regard to the frequency of failures, but I
    imagine any trike using a similar system would be at rish of a similar
    failure. I haven't been able to find a decent picture of the Scorpion's
    handlebar attachment, but it looks as though it might use a headset, which
    should be immune to this kind of naughtiness.

    --
    Dave Larrington
    <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
    I am the Disgruntled Employee; I am the New Face of Labour
    Relations.

  15. Dave 'Legs Larry' Larrington said:

    In news:[email hidden],
    Artemisia <[email hidden]> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:

    Quoted message said:
    Dave Larrington said:

    I should advice owners of Tricen to inspect this bolt regularly, as
    the consequences of it failing while one is plummetting merrily down
    some Scenery at R17 are too horrible to contemplate.

    But does that only happen on Tricen?

    See reply to Rob Morley with regard to the frequency of failures, but I
    imagine any trike using a similar system would be at rish of a similar
    failure. I haven't been able to find a decent picture of the Scorpion's
    handlebar attachment, but it looks as though it might use a headset, which
    should be immune to this kind of naughtiness.

    So should I be happy since my trike [1] has a headset
    handlebars/steering rod attachment?

    [1] <http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/df8.jpg>.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

    --
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