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Dancing/running on the pedals

Raptor · 2003-03-08T05:14:30+00:00

warren wrote: >Raptor wrote: > > >>Before I started taking indoor cycling classes last Winter, the only times I can remember >>really running on the pedals were in sprints after spinning the gear out. I'm in a very forward >>position with most of my weight on the handlebars, legs churning away behind me. >> >>I don't know whether this is good sprinting technique. > I think it's funny when spin people try to ride their road bike and don't understand how little cross-over benefit there is. -WG I've found that there's little comparison. It's hard for me to compare the two. Yet you try to sprint on the road like you do in spin class... Here's a hint. Since you're new to sprinting on a road bike, if your rpm's get above 120, sit down or pick a larger gear. -WG Actually, no I don't, and I'm not (new). Nor do I consider myself an expert but I have enough bike riding talent to be overly modest at times. (Meaning, I'm sometimes actually better than I pretend to be most of the time. Sometimes.) I was really just trying, mercifully, to answer Jiyang's question. I sometimes find myself doing that bad sprinting stuff when it doesn't matter. Now that I think of it, last time was probably in some spinning class where the resistance doesn't increase with speed. Aero really gets in the way of spinning faster and faster on a real bike, whereas on a spinner once you get the flywheel going it's easy to keep it going or speed it up. It's been many years since I contested a sprint against anything but motor vehicles. But I have been an okay sprinter by strictly local standards in the past, and I do okay against the city traffic now. -- -- Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall "I'm not proud. We really haven't done everything we could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP in charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.

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Published: 8 March 2003
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Raptor
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8 March 2003, 05:14 UTC #1

warren said:
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warren wrote:
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>Raptor wrote:
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>>Before I started taking indoor cycling classes last Winter, the only times I can remember
>>really running on the pedals were in sprints after spinning the gear out. I'm in a very forward
>>position with most of my weight on the handlebars, legs churning away behind me.
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>>I don't know whether this is good sprinting technique.
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I think it's funny when spin people try to ride their road bike and don't understand how little
cross-over benefit there is.
-WG

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I've found that there's little comparison. It's hard for me to compare the two.
Yet you try to sprint on the road like you do in spin class...
Here's a hint. Since you're new to sprinting on a road bike, if your rpm's get above 120, sit down
or pick a larger gear.
-WG
Actually, no I don't, and I'm not (new). Nor do I consider myself an expert but I have enough
bike riding talent to be overly modest at times. (Meaning, I'm sometimes actually better than I
pretend to be most of the time. Sometimes.) I was really just trying, mercifully, to answer
Jiyang's question.
I sometimes find myself doing that bad sprinting stuff when it doesn't matter. Now that I think of
it, last time was probably in some spinning class where the resistance doesn't increase with speed.
Aero really gets in the way of spinning faster and faster on a real bike, whereas on a spinner once
you get the flywheel going it's easy to keep it going or speed it up.
It's been many years since I contested a sprint against anything but motor vehicles. But I have
been an okay sprinter by strictly local standards in the past, and I do okay against the city
traffic now.
--
--
Lynn Wallace xmission.com~lawall "I'm not proud. We really haven't done everything we
could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP in
charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.

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Jiyang Chen
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20 August 2003, 23:43 UTC #2

What exactly is running on the pedals? I read somewhere that if your cadence is right, pedaling out
of the saddle should feel like running. I've never felt the "running" sensation. Only the pulling up
and pushing down of my legs on the pedals. Or are you supposed to spin, and not up and down?
How do you achieve this?
Thanks, Jiyang Chen

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Nick Burns
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21 August 2003, 00:24 UTC #3

"Jiyang Chen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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What exactly is running on the pedals? I read somewhere that if your cadence is right, pedaling
out of the saddle should feel like running.

I've
Quoted message said:
never felt the "running" sensation. Only the pulling up and pushing down

of
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my legs on the pedals. Or are you supposed to spin, and not up and down?
How do you achieve this?
Thanks, Jiyang Chen
No offense, but you really are a newbie, aren't you? Most of your questions indicate that your OS
install is probably older than your bike. If I were you, I would enjoy lurking for a bit longer
before you post questions here. Most folks here consider anyone with less than about 10 years race
experience to be a newbie. For newbie questions, I would recommend the "Bicycling" web site forum
since they are likely more accustomed to getting questions like yours without thinking that someone
is trying to yank on the collective NG chain.

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Bob
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21 August 2003, 01:44 UTC #4

Wow,
This guy is real nice,,, Would love to meet him on the rode and drop him like a rock! There are two
basic type of cyclers, Spinners and gear mashers. I race mountains like Mt washington NH, Ascutany
VT and Mt Grey lock. But form most is peddle form, your legs show move your peddles in nice even
round strokes and adjusting your gearing to provide that. Now I can do well gear mashing and can
spin a high cadance of 90+ for hours. Now on a hill the High cadance(spinning) gives you the ability
to accelerate on a hill, I've dropped many racers that why. Lance uses that technque. I suggest that
you got to Barns and noble and check out some book..
"Jiyang Chen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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What exactly is running on the pedals? I read somewhere that if your cadence is right, pedaling
out of the saddle should feel like running.

I've
Quoted message said:
never felt the "running" sensation. Only the pulling up and pushing down

of
Quoted message said:
my legs on the pedals. Or are you supposed to spin, and not up and down?
How do you achieve this?
Thanks, Jiyang Chen

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D.Putnam
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21 August 2003, 03:59 UTC #5

Wow, tough crowd....

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R15757
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21 August 2003, 04:43 UTC #6

First step is to not listen to anybody who thinks there are any real mountains east of colorado.
Robert

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Warren
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21 August 2003, 05:13 UTC #7

In article said:
First step is to not listen to anybody who thinks there are any real mountains east of colorado.
You mean like those "mountains" in NH and VT?

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Sm
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21 August 2003, 05:43 UTC #8

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No offense, but you really are a newbie, aren't you?
I love it when someone says... "no offense..." then goes on to absolutely spank someone for asking a
question...
No offense 😉 but if you think that someone has posted a question "above you" then just dont reply!

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Remove The Poli
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21 August 2003, 08:13 UTC #9

I have used the visualization of running while standing up on the pedals. It seems useful to me in a
couple ways:
First, I think it helps me to move more smoothly overall (including my upper body motion) No
eveidence here, but to me it fels like the jerkier the motion while you pedal the less efficient.
Secondly, it seems easier to keep a Lance-Approved higher cadence if I visualize myself as running.
I feel like I'm moving my feet in ovals,if you will, rather than jamming the pedals down, which
necessitates more up and down motion on the bike. It seeems to help prevent energy wasting upper
body tension.
Something else I've found is that I get more power from letting the bike go side to side, something
I used to avoid doing for fear of inefficiency. In other words it's OK to let the bike tilt as a
whole form side to side as you apply your mighty forces, but you should still be keeping the
steering largely as you do it.
Plus it's fun when you are able to get the feeling of running, it is a nice floating feeling, unlike
the declasse, jerky hammering that less couth riders than myself stoop to. So what if I am a Senior
Lard Creature, and during this "running" i am going about 2.5 mph? My cadence is still
Lance-Approved.

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James Calivar
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21 August 2003, 12:34 UTC #10

"Nick Burns" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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No offense, but you really are a newbie, aren't you? Most of your

questions
Quoted message said:
indicate that your OS install is probably older than your bike. If I were you, I would enjoy
lurking for a bit longer before you post questions

here.
Quoted message said:
Most folks here consider anyone with less than about 10 years race experience to be a newbie. For
newbie questions, I would recommend the "Bicycling" web site forum since they are likely more
accustomed to

getting
Quoted message said:
questions like yours without thinking that someone is trying to yank on

the
Quoted message said:
collective NG chain.
What a jerkoff.
James

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Crank Yanker
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21 August 2003, 13:33 UTC #11

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No offense, but you really are a newbie, aren't you?
I'm not buying it, this guy is a brilliant troll. What newbie would know who Scott Sunderland is,
yet alone that he crashes alot. Yet he seems to completely clueless about riding a bike.

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Andrew Martin
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21 August 2003, 14:15 UTC #12

"Jiyang Chen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
What exactly is running on the pedals? I read somewhere that if your cadence is right, pedaling
out of the saddle should feel like running. I've never felt the "running" sensation. Only the
pulling up and pushing down of my legs on the pedals. Or are you supposed to spin, and not up
and down?
How do you achieve this?
Thanks, Jiyang Chen
KenP - Can we get a picture of this guy on your site? I'm having a hard time envisioning what this
ass-clown looks like.
-a

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Andrew Martin
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21 August 2003, 14:15 UTC #13

[email hidden] (R15757) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
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warren wrote: << > First step is to not listen to anybody who thinks there are any real mountains
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east of colorado.
You mean like those "mountains" in NH and VT? >>
It's cute that they call em mountains, but kind of annoying too.
Robert
Yeah - that's as blasphemous as calling Mt. Ventoux a mountain when it is WELL outside of the Alps.
-a

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[censored] Durbin
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21 August 2003, 14:40 UTC #14

[email hidden] (R15757) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
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warren wrote: << > First step is to not listen to anybody who thinks there are any real mountains
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east of colorado.
You mean like those "mountains" in NH and VT? >>
It's cute that they call em mountains, but kind of annoying too.
Have you ever ridden in the East? I lived in Denver back in the 80s and found that most Colorado
mountain roads were a fairly gentle incline compared to those in the eastern mountains.
[censored] Durbin Tallahassee (no mountains), Florida

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Nick Burns
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21 August 2003, 14:41 UTC #15

"Crank Yanker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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No offense, but you really are a newbie, aren't you?
I'm not buying it, this guy is a brilliant troll. What newbie would know who Scott Sunderland is,
yet alone that he crashes alot. Yet he seems to completely clueless about riding a bike.
It is hard to figure, isn't it? How do you respond to this guy? He comes up with some zany [censored].

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Kurgan Gringion
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21 August 2003, 16:43 UTC #16

"Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Wow,
This guy is real nice,,, Would love to meet him on the rode and drop him like a rock! There are
two basic type of cyclers, Spinners and gear

mashers.
<[censored] snipped>
There are two basic type of rbr posters, dumbasses and big dumbasses.
I can't decide which category you fit into, but am leaning towards the latter.

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Kurgan Gringion
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21 August 2003, 16:43 UTC #17

"Crank Yanker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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No offense, but you really are a newbie, aren't you?
I'm not buying it, this guy is a brilliant troll.
JC is very good.

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K. J. Papai
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21 August 2003, 18:57 UTC #18

[email hidden] (Andrew Martin) wrote in message
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"Jiyang Chen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
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What exactly is running on the pedals? I read somewhere that if your cadence is right, pedaling
out of the saddle should feel like running. I've never felt the "running" sensation. Only the
pulling up and pushing down of my legs on the pedals. Or are you supposed to spin, and not up
and down?
How do you achieve this?
Thanks, Jiyang Chen
KenP - Can we get a picture of this guy on your site? I'm having a hard time envisioning what this
ass-clown looks like.
Jiyang effectively demonstrates bike racing yin-yang. My *belief* is that he is truly earnest but he
doesn't make an effort to put in the miles and try it himself. Was it actualkly Jiyang that knew
Sunderland crashed a lot?
I hope Jiyang follows up and comes thru with an RBR Faces photo.
After that it's guaranteed people will warm to him and appreciate the *Specialness* of Senor Chen.
-Ken

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Ken Very Big Li
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21 August 2003, 18:57 UTC #19

Jiyang Chen said:

I just want to know how the running sensation is achieved.

Yeah, this group has an incredible knack for not answering a simple question but use the same
amount or more energy to go off on some tangent. See my "Is Cycling Burnout (physical) Possible"
thread for a prime example. A total waste of bandwidth by a bunch of jack-offs. That's r.b.r. for
you. Welcome to Hell.
---
Kelly Beard, a.k.a. Mr. K.V.B. Liar

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Ken Very Big Li
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21 August 2003, 18:57 UTC #20

Ken Very Big Liar said:
Jiyang Chen said:

I just want to know how the running sensation is achieved.

Yeah, this group has an incredible knack for not answering a simple question but use the same
amount or more energy to go off on some tangent. See my "Is
BTW, not to be another r.b.r. ass, but when I consciously practice my spin technique I can feel the
hamstrings/butt/hip muscles being employed rather than just the quads. My foot also tends to always
be in a pointed-down position. It's something that you have to concentrate on and learn to feel
because it isn't automatic. I don't race anymore so the days I practice spinning is rare anyway.
What I'd like to be able to do is stand while climbing and have that sensation. I imagine I'd have
to shed ~19kg of fat first.
---
Kelly Beard, a.k.a. Mr. K.V.B. Liar

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